Heavyweight Boxing

How you cant see that is a contradiction amazes me, you are incredible. Must be great living in your little world where you are always right about everything. Fury in the wilder fights was a much better boxer especially with sugarhill for 2/3, again im not surprised you have an alternative take that a 27year old fury being trained by a cautious peter fury was better.

I give Spinks praise he seen an opptunity at the time & took it, but again he was never a true heavy weight ,

He just knew that his skill set as LHW would beat Holmes & he did that,

Spinks fought Holmes twice first he was 200lbs second 205lbs , Then fought Tangstad & was 201lbs , Then Conney 208lbs, Then Tyson 212,

He was never a Heavy Weight he was a LHW fighting at HW , Usyk is a true heavy weight he weigh 222lbs

Does Fury have an advantage in size yes but he is still flighting another heavy weight,

Strangely not many would believe you but Mike Tyson is the 4th heaviest Undisputed champion ever,

Excuses for what exactly ?

I don't believe Spinks was ever a true heavy weight (his weigh in weights confirm it to me),

I believe Usyk is a true heavy weight ,

That's my opinion if you have a different one that is fine

Again they are your opinions, doesnt make them right, i think fury was a much more accomplished fighter in all wilder's fights than wlad fight. Yes davison was, thats why i said sugarhill2/3 wilder fights. Plenty substance, seeing as i have been right about fury all along and you have been the opposite, my words factually have more substance. I said it ages ago, your dislike for fury has clouded your judgement on him.

Exactly my thinking. 13 or so years a pro and what, 32 fights?

How many championship fights? 4 in total. 3 wins and a draw.

Oh, and a PED user. Doping conviction

Legend? Wtf?!

His time and era he is up there as the best, or thereabouts. Usyk challenging for number 1 spot.

AJ fight still needs to happen…

for me, still a bit to do before legend status considered.

He's not going down as a legend with nobody but a 40 year old Wlad and Wilder as the only names he's fought.

He will go down as the best of his generation but it'll be considered a poor generation for heavyweight boxing.

No issue admitting to when wrong.

on Fury: been wrong 4/5 times on predictions.

other than this there has been no right/wrong. It’s all in your head.

Seriously, what is so unbelievable with a huge man like Fury getting up in the first fight vs Wilder?

Down on the canvas for ten seconds. Plenty boxers have gotten up from heavier/cleaner shots than what Wilder landed there.

before any Fury nuthuggers jump in, this is not a criticism. Just find it odd people see it as so unreal.

Just on the generation thing: it’s still up for grabs.

Fury in pole position now. But what happens if AJ and Usyk beat him, or god forbid, someone like Whyte?

does he still deserve best of his era/generation tag?

I’m not sure why you think Fury doesn’t need AJ if he loses to Usyk.

AJ would still be the (arguably) third best heavyweight in the division. Anyone being considered a legend needs to be cleaning house.

even if they do fight and AJ loses I still want AJ and Wilder fighting each other too.

plenty of unanswered questions from all of them

If AJ loses again then the fight doesn't matter. However it will be said he avoided him when he was a top boxer.

Interesting interview with John Fury on BT,

Says Tyson had a four week camp & was unfit for the Wilder fight said the child was worse than anyone knew & flatlined , & also that Tyson has gone under the knife as he had elbow problems ,He says that is why he couldn't throw his jab without pain & its the reason he turned it into a war so he could get close,

John was also saying he doesn't want to see Fury fight like that again as it will take years off him & also weaken his chin (which is right) & gave some stick to Sugar Hill saying Tyson doesn't need a trainer if the plan is to fight like that, Also said Sugar had him doing to many rounds sparring ,

It's hard to gauge how annoyed he is with Sugar because he also says Tyson had no choice but to fight that way ,

He has also he said he has told Fury to retire but that Tyson probably won't listen

Lets play match making

I reckon we are going to see,

AJ v Usyk

Fury v Whyte

Wilder v Ruiz

Then hope we see

Fury v Usyk

AJ v Wilder

Ruiz v Whyte

How ?

Fury fought Wilder first in December 2018 , The fight was announced seconds after he beat Paineta August 2018 ,

AJ fought AVP in September & that fight was ordered in June as a mandatory , Then he was trying to fight Whyte in Wembley for 29 December 2018 but lowballed offered Whyte who refused the offer, Then in February agreed to fight Miller in June 2019 which turned into Ruiz

So I'm not sure how Tyson ducked AJ ,

Where in the time line was the fight suppose to be made ?

Remember it was interview by Wilder that made Fury come back to begin with,

It was always the 50/50 pay demand before any comeback fight that stifled progress.

From early 2018 this is what fury was demanding according to Hearn and this was never refuted by anyone in Furys camp. Even though he surely knew it was unrealistic coming off a 2 year layoff.

In my view deliberately pricing himself out of what would have been a very dangerous fight at the time, in hindsight maybe not so much but at the time it was definitely dangerous. A 60/40 split for AJ would still have grossed more for Tyson than the Wilder 1 fight.

But as I've said before on here fight 1 being a draw and the manner in which rd12 went down proved to be very lucrative from a cash dollar perspective.

His career path to the wlad fight was very carefully plotted too. Nothing wrong with that at all but again it flies in the face of this fight any man any where mantra.