Heavyweight Boxing

We all seen the video of Fury the day he decided to come back because of words from Wilder,

The same day he rang Warren & told him i'm coming back & I'm fighting Wilder,

Hearn heard of this come back & they offered him Bellew as one of his warm up fights , Fury said no as he had his pan of how he would get to the Wilder fight, Which after 2 years off an being nearly 30 stone was fair enough, Bellew said himself he would only fight Fury then & not when he was fit, Basically Hearn was willing to risk Bellew to stop the Fury come back dead in its tracks,

Hearn was trying to make AJ v Wilder & they didn't agree terms & the Mandatory was called for AJ , so Fury jumped in there,

On June 27, 2018 (only a week after he fought Sefri ) , Fury gave Wilder a message in an Instagram video saying, "I'll apologise on behalf of Eddie Hearn and Anthony Joshua because they're from the same country as I am, they won't fight you and they've took three months stringing you and the fans along with no intention of fighting, but I'll fight you in three seconds. Get your boss to send me the contract and I'll show you how long it takes to sign it! If you wanna fight the best this country has ever had knock on my door and see if the Gypsy King doesn't answer! The ball is in your court." Around this time, Fury and Wilder discussed a potential fight privately, and their two teams began talks for a fight to take place before the end of the year.

As i already said early that month AJ had already been called to defend his mandatory against AVP ,

So when was this AJ v Fury fight going to take place ? Hearn talking absolute bollox as usual it was never on the radar back then

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Just on Mike Tyson...he's a fooking pot smoking weirdo....I'll absolutely value my views and opinions more than that clown!!!!

The best of his era debate will be finalized when they retire. Right now Fury is in prime position.

There are still possible fight secnearios and permutations that could change the whole landscape, and whether we get these fights is another thing

Interesting to hear Roy Jones claim himself as greatest ever fighter, with Ali at 2

Also, he thinks today's HWs would stand no chance vs the 1970s

Not sure if the KOs he suffered has him a bit foggy.....but no way a fighter who has been knocked out that much can be the GOAT

Outside of Fury, today doesn't bode well for the current crop in some eras for me.....

Usyk has yet to prove himself proper and at 34 now I can't see him showing too much....I'd back many HWs to do a number on Usyk.

Bet many to do a number on AJ and Wilder

Wouldn't bet near as many to do a number on Fury

I reckon it was in the gym where Roy lost his chin,

He really depending on his reflex's not to take shots but if you are sparring him surely after a while you'll read him and catch him with shots ,

Like most fighters its the gym where you become shot not on the big stage

I know that but the sheer amount of rounds in the gym

Look at the Allen video not to long ago sparring with Usyk he was hurt badly ,

Yes...

I have always felt that probabably most the damage is done in the gym, where boxers are more relaxed and tend to take head shots much more....and they take way more than they do in a fight....so, for one top class pro fight they could spar 80-120 rds or thereabouts

We only see the end result on fight night. We don't see the weeks and weeks of sparring before the fights

Remarkable how being KO'd after 35 years of age and 15 years as a pro is somehow used as a barometer to judge one (and only one) great fighter's prime, but every excuse under the sun is used to explain Mike Tyson being past his prime when getting KTFO'd at TWENTY THREE years of age.

Let's all play pretend.

Double standards at it's very worst!

We can only go on what ex fighters say, what you are saying can not be proved, you are speculating about what they actually might think. I take them at face value. I just think if usyk beats joshua again, fury needs usyk, thats his legacy secured.

In fairness Fury has taken dangerous fights (relative to his standing at the given time).

I remember the first Chisora fight in 2011, thinking what was he doing here. At the time he'd had 13 or 14 fights. This was the Chisora who had yet to fight Vitali and Haye. Say what we want about Chisora but that's a risky fight.

The Wilder I fight was the ultimate risk. Like some others on here I don't harp on about him being 28/30 stone like it's some kind of virtue. But it is what it is, a risky fight.

You can throw a lot of stuff at Fury but he has taken risks and has consistently got the result on the big night.

As for being unrealistic and demanding 50/50 with AJ? Feck that, I would aswell. The man in me would look for that, in his eyes he was still lineal champ, the man who beat the man. He didn't have a promoter to protect him from sanctioning bodies demanding mandatories be fulfilled (IBF belt was basically stripped right away) .

No surprise Hearn couldn't agree with Wilder or Fury, considering the fella probably wanted lions share for his paper champ, rematch clauses and even the lions share in the rematch. That's how they operate. So it was great that Fury and Wilder made their own trilogy and in the mean time the "champ" Got found out all by himself against Ruiz and Usyk.

I think this vindicated Fury if it is a case he wouldn't accept being the b-side.

He's not getting at you. He posts here once in a blue moon, and all to get a swipe at me for whatever beef he has...never direct quotes me, but subtly has a go in his posts/replies.

Either that, or thanks any posters that disagree and debate me...

Just on Roy and his prime and Mike and his prime...both excellent fighters at prime....

Neither are GOAT for me.