Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

"It is because there is little or no significant public health threat now (relatively speaking), with 5 million unvaccinated people there were 5000 deaths over 18 months, now we have 300,000 unvaccinated, which would mean there might be about 160 deaths over the next 18 months (will be way less if the unvaccinated are not in high risk groups).......flu is usually somewhere between 500 and 1000 per winter. So there is no need for any lockdown or new measures. There is no information as to whether or not those in hospital or ICU are there because of covid, or they just have covid and cancer or were run over and have covid, or whether or not they got COVID in hospital. The government have said it is safe to cram a full plane, let people pack nightclubs and churches or weddings, so they do not really believe there is a significant threat any more, its just political posturing at this stage."

I read this earlier, is this true? the figures? look, if the flu takes out a thousand during the winter. Would it be better to have designated shopping times for the elderly etc? would somewhat reduce the figures of covid and flu perhaps?

It's the awful PBH in today poor Claire off on hols 🙄🙄

It's really not new at all. They've been saying it for over a years and the positive version is "the public were ahead of us".

His head will spin when they see some social media videos over the weekend 😁

O I know but there about to have collective heart attacks when they see a change in behaviour in night clubs over the weekend 😏

Why is it staggering to see inspections, when everyone knows certs aren't being checked in lots of places ? I mean rightly or wrongly, we're a rules based society.

If checking certs is the only thing required and hospitality is back to normal apart from that, its not that big a deal is it ? Personally I doubt anywhere that isn't checking, is doing it out of principle, its purely laziness or couldn't be ar$ed.

I totally get that with 90%+ of adults vaccinated, its either not that big a deal, or a pointless exercise, depending on how you look at it, but its a relatively small price to pay to reopen fully, isn't it ?

Those vaccinated can all start driving around with a star on their car. Like what happened in the 1940's...

It's not true.

2017/2018 was a particularly harsh 'flu season, which saw 255 deaths amongst confirmed 'flu cases.

Caveat here is that testing for influenza has never been anywhere close to the same level as we are now testing for Covid. Meaning that many 'flu deaths will likely fly under the radar because they're elderly people who just die without ever going to the doctor. But there is no way that a typical 'flu season sees 1,000 'flu deaths where 75% go unrecorded.

You can see a report for 2017/2018 here. One other thing that becomes apparent when you look at the report is that there is nothing new about any of the numbers or methods that are being used to track covid. It's all being tracked in the same way that diseases have been tracked for years, so it can't be argued that it's being made up as it goes along. The likes of Nolan have been doing this analysis for years, they are experts in this field. While their projections may prove wrong (nobody has a crystal ball), it's beyond arrogant to question their interpretation of the data unless one has expertise in the area.

The amount of jobsworth authoritarians out there is eye opening.

he did say that

they wont be enough

I agree they've made a mess of it. The communication has been appalling. I think if the cert is required, that should be it, no restrictions when you're inside.

For how long though. What's the endgame? If vaccination isn't enough, how long are we expected to find our lives restricted? Until February? Indefinitely? Permanently? What happens next Winter?

Expertise does not leave you or your work beyond reproach.

In this case, it's plain to see that Nolan's predictions were consistently wrong. And just 2 weeks ago he stated we were successfully suppressing the virus. To consistently model the spread so poorly implies some poor interpretations of the data.

We can look back at all his multiple predictions and often find they were way off, taking naive assumptions that the virus incidence would continue to grow exponentially ad infinitum when in reality it levelled off well below any of his models.

If, and I'll emphasis If, they said ok all that stays is the pass but no masks etc then I think people may be more willing to put it with it a bit longer.

But it still doesn't answer the question about those that can't be vaccinated, do they get an exempt pass?

And the ones that don't to, do we ostracize them from society until they do?

Hulahoop is on the war path and right or wrong, blaming it all on the Brits or the unvaccinated is absolutely pathetic - maybe place the blame on our overly expensive and quite frankly useless health service.

Do you know what ranting is? Although your posting style is certainly more of a tirade.

Have you watched Shutter Island? Had to laugh yesterday when someone intimated you were like the Leonardo Di Caprio character, deludedly investigating and making sense of your own asylum.

Those living in fear of covid, can have their lockdown, let them at it. I dont see any one asking them to leave their homes if they dont have to work in a physical place of work...