Revoking of SACF rifles & New Legislation (thread banned users in first post)

Grizzly 45 · 14-09-2021 9:35pm

Abbreviation for As Far As I Know.

Grizzly 45 · 14-09-2021 9:38pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117892242#Comment_117892242

And then some!!! I don't think anyone in the shooting community even knows who is supposed to be on this panel representing whom anymore.

smmember20 · 14-09-2021 10:18pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117892263#Comment_117892263

That's not a good situation so!

BSA International · 14-09-2021 11:02pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117892083#Comment_117892083

The .22 pistol case apparently has a bit more to it but that may not be true considering how things get "legs". Nargc funded this too afaik.

There was case to high court for a .308 rifle, funded by nargc apparently, long before pistols ever came on the scene.

One of those who organised the practical circus denied to me it ever happened. A buddy of mine was there and he reckoned it was sheer lunacy.

My comment re army was "some" not s/a rifles. Steyr AUG has s/a & full auto 😀 I was referring to some "high power" rifles out there in ranges.

Grizzly 45 · 14-09-2021 11:29pm

The .22 pistol case apparently has a bit more to it but that may not be true considering how things get "legs". Nargc funded this too afaik.

If I rightly recall,it was the NARGCs lawyer that handled the HC cases of the 22 mag capacity in one batch. Not sure if NARGC did fund this or was it "pay and pray" by the individuals as this was post the CF pistol ban.

There was case to high court for a .308 rifle, funded by nargc apparently, long before pistols ever came on the scene.

Think it was for something in the Safari calibre? And it was aSFIK the same guy who went for the pistol.Don't think there was even much of a time difference either?4/5 months maybe?But I certainly remember pistols being the biggie.

One of those who organised the practical circus denied to me it ever happened. A buddy of mine was there and he reckoned it was sheer lunacy.

It certainly happened alright! 😣Too many witnesses to say otherwise apprently.Not surprised either TBH,the CF pistol thing went from 0 to 1200 applications within 12 months.No no wonder AGS was desperately looking for a brake. And I think this is what they have expected to have happened here with the semi rifles post the Limerick DC cases.Its not happened at all as quite frankly,they arent that pouplar in the shooting fraternity in Ireland going by the Depts own official figures on licensing of them.So why was there now such a panic to close this down?is this this minister for state to the Dept way of trying to make a political name for himself I wonder? Shall we take bets that this is the case?😡

BSA International · 15-09-2021 2:15am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117892758#Comment_117892758

The original large calibre case was for a .308. Nicholas Flood, a multi European silhoeutte shooter (met him a few times he's a gentleman) took the case with afaik nargc backing.

This ban is defo some politician/s on a crusade to save the masses from us crazed and armed lunatics 😞 or to deflect attention from more of their skulduggery.

smmember20 · 15-09-2021 8:15am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117892758#Comment_117892758

Smoke and mirrors by AGS on the 1200 licensed pistols in one year, they managed to shock the politicians by way of deception really, where did the 1200 applications come from in 2004? The majority were not new applicants but came from three sources 1) Pistol owners who had their pistols seized in 1972 and taking opportunity to license their property, some people had multiple pistols in Garda Storage 2) Folks like myself who had for many years licensed pistols and competed out side the state, again I am aware that the folks I knew on the circuit of international shoots would have had ownership of sever pistols and 3) yes new folks who never owned a pistol before.

So as everyone is aware each firearm needs and individual certificate, so that 1,200 licensed pistols sounded scary and AGS certainly used that in their favour to scare the **it out of the politicians and more importantly the officials in the permanent government.

How many individuals would that equate to who were licensed probably less than 700, you may recollect that at the Justice Committee chaired by Staunton, the AGS were caught with their pants down when they reported 1,800 firearms stolen in 3 years, a statistical manipulation that was exposed as fallacy.

In any case all water under the bridge, but the natives are going back to their old ways and we are certainly seeing evidence of the pre 2015 AGS poor application of the firearms legislation increasing in court cases! Now unfortunately we do not have an NARGC there to stand up to the buggers so it will be open season.

jb88 · 15-09-2021 10:03am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117891418#Comment_117891418

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117890588#Comment_117890588

So CASS are you aware that one among your group brought this to the attention of the Govt?

This proposal being well read amongst many at the moment, is the agenda of a boards member looking to gain personal influence. These firearms were never a problem to any, havent caused any issues. This is like plastic straws, an easy fix by legislation, the problem is thats an erosion of shooting sports in Ireland and internationally for no good reason other than an electioneering platform.

I dont see the shooting community standing up for an erosion of the sport, except the backing fb group of the person responsible. When are you going to learn, everything on this forum is read by the DOJ and by many others who have no idea about shooting. They take everything out of context.

When shooters have an issue, want some group formed to help. (Laziness)

You want a say, put in your own submission to the DOJ, then if its passed go to the Highcourt and on to the EU court.

If you want shooters to have one in the future submit directly to the DOJ if not bury the head in the sand, seems thats the done thing these days

jb88 · 15-09-2021 10:11am

I like many others want CF semi auto rifles as a Target shooting sport to continue in Ireland and I will continue to fight for it with a few dedicated friends

If you want to join so be it, make your submission to the Justice committee.

I dont want to be one of a few guys left competing in 10 or 15 years time because some ill advised politician wanted a law passed which did nothing for the sporting community of Ireland, other than harm it.

With a handful of new entrants each year, its extremely self selective.

If the only reason is that it is big and black in colour and could fall into the hands of a criminal, then I welcome the test to see if that would work on my own equipment, especially as its stored seperately and cant be used if robbed.

Cass · 15-09-2021 11:47am

jb88 - So CASS are you aware that one among your group brought this to the attention of the Govt?

There is the problem right there, "your group". I don't have a group and you already set yourself apart from others. Instead of standing with others you are determined to do this alone and suggest others do the same.

jb88 - is the agenda of a boards member looking to gain personal influence.

This is one of the funniest things I've read. You believe a single person, who you seem to skirt around naming, can influece the DoJ in such a way as to manipulate legislation to their own benefit? The NASRPC tried that as a organisation with pistols and failed badly and they have thousands of members, their own NGB, and a seat on the FCP not to mention the SSAI.

jb88 - except the backing fb group of the person responsible.

So you're talking about Grizzly 45!. That is easy enough found out. @Grizzly 45 what have you promised to the DoJ so they give you full control over SACF rifles? What advantages has the FUNI FB page been granted in this legislation that others will not get? What have you been able to "give" the DoJ in exchange for these beenfits? Lastly how did you manage to stop legislators from simply taking what they want via legislative means?

jb88 - When are you going to learn, everything on this forum is read by the DOJ and by many others who have no idea about shooting.

Maybe about 11 years ago, before you joined, when they told us [the Mods] outright that they do. This is no secret and its why the forum rules are designed the way they are.

jb88 - ......... if not bury the head in the sand, seems thats the done thing these days.

You are taking the absolute piss now. For 6 years you have scolded, berrated, and accused people that gave out warnings to potential newcomers, ,of such a ban as scaremongering. I'll retrieve all the posts if you like. Now you claim that others are living wih their head in the sand when you yourself have being doing that very thing.

I said the blame game helps nobody, but there is no way I'm letting you accuse others of having their head in the sand when you were the first to do so and last to come up for air which shows one of two things:

You geninuely believed nothing would happen in which case you're a hypocrite for accusing others of the very thing you've been doing
You knew it would happen but suggested people "Just go out and get one" regardless, which was reckless, a lie, and may potentially cost people thousands.

jb88 - I like many others want CF semi auto rifles as a Target shooting sport to continue in Ireland and I will continue to fight for it with a few dedicated friends

Then why the denial for the last 6 years? Why wait for this moment to "make your move" and not before hand? Why lie to others about the ban and then claim to want to fight it? Why try "go it alone" seeing as there are so few and a united front even of just SACF rifle owners would be better than individual opposition letters?

Grizzly 45 · 15-09-2021 12:24pm

So you're talking about Grizzly 45!. That is easy enough found out. @Grizzly 45 what have you promised to the DoJ so they give you full control over SACF rifles? What advantages has the FUNI FB page been granted in this legislation that others will not get? What have you been able to "give" the DoJ in exchange for these benefits? Lastly how did you manage to stop legislators from simply taking what they want via legislative means?

Ab solutely NOTHING!!! From the DOJ, didn't even get a cuppa when I met them in Dec2019,by myself when all the others organisations and keyboard warriors were absent with the mag ban. Absolutely NOTHING!!! gaining anything in legislation either!!!

In fact ABsolutely NOTHING to any and all of that. Seriously wish I had that sort of influence as this would be done and dusted a long time ago, with us having both CF pistols back and SA CF available. Anyone who thinks I have that sort of influence...Seriously, what colour is the sky on the planet you are on??

But unlike some who came late to this party.I think people know my reputation here and the fact that I've put my mouth where my money is and stood up to bat when it counted. So I really haven't got time anymore to stop and throw stones at every little yapping street mongrel with a problem.

smmember20 · 15-09-2021 3:17pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117894241#Comment_117894241

So it would be fair to say you were doing a "solo run" proportion to represent a body FNU that actually only has you as the only Irish member! No wonder you didn't get a cup of tea and I doubt it you will get any further meetings for sure. You did say am I wrong that you met them by yourself! Jesus you could have said anything!

otmmyboy2 · 15-09-2021 3:30pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117895233#Comment_117895233

False premise there smmember20, he is far from the only Irish member of FUN.

I actually joined and paid membership dues during one of the "debates" you were having with other members regarding SCOVI. 🤣

Also, regardless of the numbers of members of an org, if they do bugger all then what use are they?

FPC over in the US have gotten a lot more pro-firearms cases won than the NRA, and yet the NRA has a much more vast membership.

Which would I sign up for?

The one that gets the job done, same as here.

smmember20 · 15-09-2021 3:39pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117895305#Comment_117895305

Humble apologies to all members of FNU Irish Branch, as a member no doubt you received minutes from the DOJ meeting!

otmmyboy2 · 15-09-2021 3:43pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117895353#Comment_117895353

As SCOVI members did of the CF pistol substitution stuff, right? 🙄

Also read the post, it's FUN, not FNU 😋

And in fact Grizz actually posted up on boards with the results of the meeting at the time.

You should remember, you were the one disparaging the meeting then too as I recall...

smmember20 · 15-09-2021 4:10pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117895382#Comment_117895382

Only joined boards in February so it would have been hard for me to be "disparaging" back in 2019 when the meeting took place, it is not my intention to have a row with anyone each to their own but I am very surprised at an individual who proports to represent shooters giving such misguided advice to folks who are asked by their FO to inspect their firearms! There you go so what exactly is FUN doing about the potential ban on CF S/A rifles in Ireland?

otmmyboy2 · 15-09-2021 4:49pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117895474#Comment_117895474

And it would be completely impossible for the mag ban to come up since February and for you to weigh in then?

This audit rubbish is just the latest fishing expedition to try and hang shooters out to dry, hence unless you are obliged to comply then my attitude is why would you?

Irish shooting sports would be nowhere without some resistance to the PTB and their overall goal of as few firearms as is possible.

And as Grizzly already mentioned, seeking a meeting with the DoJ and minister involved.

smmember20 · 15-09-2021 5:03pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117895646#Comment_117895646

Sounds like a great plan of action. Best of luck with it.

BSA International · 15-09-2021 5:06pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117895646#Comment_117895646

They can only "hang you out to dry" if you give them a reason to.

I know one lad who refused a reasonable request relating to his firearms. Next day the ERU called to seize his firearms. Good luck with your "resistence".

otmmyboy2 · 15-09-2021 5:28pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117895738#Comment_117895738

And what was the "reasonable request" he refused eh?

Had I not stood up to the FO and CS before now I would've been fobbed off with a 12g and a 22 and little else.

There is a difference between refusing outright and having a lot of questions about a new, invasive, unnecessary and arbitrary process which will do exactly zero to prevent crime, and only serves to further persecute firearms owners.

Hence all my questions above about the legal basis for same.

BSA International · 15-09-2021 6:29pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117895837#Comment_117895837

There was a vexatious report made about him. He was asked to drop them into his local dealer while they looked into it.

Stood up to Gardai more than once myself but you gotta pick your "fights".

Grizzly 45 · 15-09-2021 6:35pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117895353#Comment_117895353

Indeed they did...It was posted here Dec 4th 2020... And its FUNI,do try and keep up!

smmember20 · 15-09-2021 6:45pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117896112#Comment_117896112

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117895646#Comment_117895646

Sounds like a great plan of action. Best of luck with it.

otmmyboy2 · 15-09-2021 7:03pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117896087#Comment_117896087

I'd certainly agree with picking the fights, but on the 22 mag cap one now I'd be extremely hesitant given the hazy basis they doing this on.

On the vexatious report, lovely. Our own version of red flag laws, aka guilty until proven innocent.

Cass · 15-09-2021 7:16pm

Moderator Note

Lads we seem to be cross thread posting here, I think, but lets try keep both topics to their own threads otherwise it'll turn into a mess on both threads.

otmmyboy2 · 15-09-2021 7:22pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117896291#Comment_117896291

Cass would it be possible to split out the discussion on the 22 revolver thread about the "audits" into a new thread, for better visibility of this latest event if nothing else?

Grizzly 45 · 15-09-2021 7:24pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117896151#Comment_117896151

We are all eyes and ears to the saviours amongst us who will lead us to the land of milk and honey and semi-autos. I'm and FUNI is obviously doing this completely wrong to the ditch hurlers and keyboard warriors...So lets hear your master plan Hotshots?? And BTW what are YOUR qualifications or mandate to suggest anything either?

Grizzly 45 · 15-09-2021 8:02pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117895233#Comment_117895233

It must really boil some peoples urine, still,that I a nobody,[with the backing of an EU recognised lobby group] went and got more information than some established organisations did with all their committees, elected reps and membership and purported mandates and all the rest,by simply asking to meet a govt body via 3 emails and a phone call and had the AUDACITY to publish what happened. It must have been like the little dog in the Wizard of Oz, who pulled away the curtain to expose "Oz the great and terrible",as a little man with a machine and great sound effects and no magical power.

Well maybe if those with "mandates" and representation, had been DOING THEIR JOBS in2017/20 and involved themselves in dialogue with the DOJ, as they only had about 3 years warning since FUNI was reporting about this mag ban almost weekly from Brussels here on boards that this was an inevitability,and me even warning a current member of the NASRPC committee that I know that this was going to be a problem, but that the EU was leaving it open on how member states implemented it,and as there was no opposition to this, the DOJ took the easiest course obviously because no one from the main lobby groups engaged on this issue.

I wouldn't have had to have gone there in the first place! But you know what I'm GLAD it still rankles under some peoples hides as it obviously does . Maybe too they should consider this as a warning from newer and more vocal groups coming up. If you aren't doing what you are supposed to do in representation and being vigilant to attacks on the sport and keep rolling over and acquiescing to every Govt diktat. Don't be surprised if individuals and others start forming or joining other more vocal and progressive groups. People with glasshouse and chucking stones spring to mind.

And guess what sweethearts? We are NOT going away either...So get used to us being around. We'll gladly help and cooperate with ANYONE who has the same ideals and aims of securing gun ownership of ANY kind here in Ireland. There is no idea of us making money from FUNI. Or some "personal enrichment / political power" as some accused me of here, or trying to be King of the Hill or whatever. We are here to do one thing only Mission statement "Prevent as much as possible further gun bans or restrictive laws from being enacted national and EU wide." The END.

If you like that, then welcome,if not you are part of the problem and get out of the way.

Cass · 15-09-2021 8:31pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117896315#Comment_117896315

Done. New thread here. Some posts might belong in both threads but with the new system I haven't figured out how to duplicate posts and split one out into a new thread so apologies in advance to anyone that thinks their post belongs in the main thread.

smmember20 · 15-09-2021 8:36pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117896331#Comment_117896331

Well I will bow to your superior actions as you seem to have the solution in regards to solving the wrongs of the last 50 years of oppressions of lawful ownership of firearms, I don't have any master plan or solutions, if there were acceptable solutions greater minds than mine would have come up with them over the last 30 years. Unfortunately we are in a society where our worst enemies are ourselves, the infighting, the backbiting the bitching, the aggression, (OMG and in the main all the people involved in the infighting are legally entitled to hold firearms!) there is no hope for unity among the shooting community in Ireland and without it there is little possibility of defeating the constant chipping away at legitimate firearms ownership.

In fairness we do not have it so bad since 2004 when we got back our pistols and larger caliber rifles, we have three year licenses, we have regulated rifle and pistol ranges to shoot in and with the regulation of ranges we can say we are no danger to the public as DOJ certify the ranges and AGS certify them, look to places like UK, Australia, New Zealand where sporting use of firearms have been destroyed in the interest of public safety............yea for course that works doesn't it.

No I am sorry I do not believe we have a hells chance of stopping future restrictions for all of the above reasons, even in the threads that I have been posting in there is such venom and realistically we are really all on the same page. So there you have it

Rich for you of course asking about mandate and qualifications, where did you get your mandate to go into the DOJ what is the membership of FUNI, I can ask and you can answer if you wish or can, I do not proport to represent anyone only my own views, maybe I am a grumpy old man (my wife calls me Victor) but then I have been involved in shooting sports since I was 17 and I am now 64, maybe that gives me some creditability and of course as in all walks of life freedom of speech and the right to express ones opinion is a right I value.

Grizzly 45 · 15-09-2021 9:36pm

Well I will bow to your superior actions as you seem to have the solution in regards to solving the wrongs of the last 50 years of oppressions of lawful ownership of firearms, I don't have any master plan or solutions, if there were acceptable solutions greater minds than mine would have come up with them over the last 30 years. Unfortunately, we are in a society where our worst enemies are ourselves, the infighting, the backbiting the bitching, the aggression, (OMG and in the main all the people involved in the infighting are legally entitled to hold firearms!) there is no hope for unity among the shooting community in Ireland and without it there is little possibility of defeating the constant chipping away at legitimate firearms ownership.

Well that's a bit rich too "Victor" 50 years of woe but when anyone tries to improve the situation.its all wrong and how dare they go outside approved channels,blah,blah." It seems that everyone must sit in the same sht pool,but woe betides anyone who tries to better the communal lot by dragging themselves and anyone else out if they want to come are upsetting the order of the sht pool.Very "Irish " if you ask me.

I don't have all the answers either,but I do think we need to be hyper-vigilant to any moves or attacks and actively engage with the Govt on any such proposals on legislation. Hiding the head in the sand or closing the eyes and holding the hands over the ears going "Llalalala! Everything fine, nothing to worry about and you are a poopy head for suggesting otherwise "is naive and obviously has not worked.Same as throwing some unliked or minority section to the wolves in hoping they will be left alone with their particular discipline hasn't worked out too well for the UK either did it?

In fairness we do not have it so bad since 2004 when we got back our pistols and larger caliber rifles, we have three year licenses, we have regulated rifle and pistol ranges to shoot in and with the regulation of ranges we can say we are no danger to the public as DOJ certify the ranges and AGS certify them, look to places like UK, Australia, New Zealand where sporting use of firearms have been destroyed in the interest of public safety............yea for course that works doesn't it.

No argument there. But remember it took two individuals to break away and say I've had enough,I want my pistol and rifle back in respective cases. Believe you me, they didn't have an easy time of it either back then from fellow shooters [of mouths] and the PTB Same accusations and muck was thrown at them as well, and nowadays its a given that we license .22 pistols and CF rifles... Someone has to stick the head above the parapet too.

No, I am sorry I do not believe we have a Hells chance of stopping future restrictions for all of the above reasons, even in the threads that I have been posting in there is such venom and realistically we are really all on the same page. So there you have it

Funny we did this very successfully. The great gun grab of 2015 by the AGS, fell apart because it united, more or less everyone under the Sports Colation. Which fell apart because the usual prima donnas and fiefdom builders got in the way of a greater goal.SC would be a force to be reckoned with today if the vested interests hadn't got in the way as usual.

As for the venom in the threads ...Maybe try not to come across so condescending or critiquing your replies? Just a thought?

Rich for you of course asking about mandate and qualifications, where did you get your mandate to go into the DOJ what is the membership of FUNI, I can ask and you can answer if you wish or can, I do not purport to represent anyone only my own views.

We really seem to be getting your goat by our mere existence do we?🤣 I got "my mandate " from being a SACF owner who was [1] getting zero information from the main bodies supposedly looking out for my sport on this topic, and couldn't add anything even when it was all over in Sept 2019 [2] Decided to share it with the same affected shooters in this country from the horse's mouth. Happy? How many in FUNI? Contact the president in Poland, Tomaz Stepzepin[sic] as he handles membership admissions. Please see www.firearmsunited.com for further info and FAQ.🙂

Maybe I am a grumpy old man (my wife calls me Victor) but then I have been involved in shooting sports since I was 17 and I am now 64, maybe that gives me some creditability and of course as in all walks of life freedom of speech and the right to express ones opinion is a right I value.

Well, "Victor" I'm not too far behind you, albeit started when I was 10. So I'm sure you'll forgive a cheeky young whippersnapper of 55 for being a bit more militant in outlook?😜 Thats the most scary thing I think facing Irish shooting ,that its a bunch of old guys arguing about "their sport" and there is little done to get fresh blood into it.

otmmyboy2 · 16-09-2021 12:43pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117896694#Comment_117896694

The amount of cognitive dissonance on display when you mention the "infighting, the backbiting the bitching, the aggression", while ignoring that you are one of the primary contributors to it all.

"Rich" indeed.

This new onslaught is just the latest attack on shooting sports as a whole.

Look at the playbook set by other countries:

First it is "scary" rifles and pistols,

Then all semiautos,

Then all "rapid firing" firearms,

Then "high powered sniper rifles",

And by the end you are left with what?

.22 rifles(semi if you are lucky) and shotguns(no pump or semi obviously, because who needs a shotgun that can shoot that quickly?!

The UK, Australia, NZ, Canada, Ireland, some US states(Cali with their AWB style rubbish, CF pistol microstamping requirement, etc), all are excellent examples of it starts off small, and ends up with a massive amount of asinine firearm restrictions which do exactly diddly to reduce crime.

Look at the UK's crime stats since banning CFSA rifles, or pistols?

Our own stats since grandfathering CF pistols?

Canada's since the firearms registry and mag cap restrictions?

Literally any EU country with the mag cap restrictions?

Australia, literally just any Aus gun laws.

The playbook is as few firearms as possible, nothing scary, benchrest 22s and clay pigeons as far as target sports goes, and little else, so shooters need to contact their TDs, get their orgs involved, and push back when any new firearms legislation comes down the line, because at one point it will be whatever is in your safe, and by that point you will likely have no-one to help you since they will have all been pushed out of the game by legislation, age, grandfathering(CF pistols, what's the average age there now? Because with zero new blood it's only going to go up until there are none left), etc.

jb88 · 17-09-2021 12:49am

@Grizzly 45 How dare you, I was so p&ssed off by your attempt to recruit me to help you, when you caused this issue by asking for a review of all of this to begin with via Willie O Dea.

smmember20 · 17-09-2021 8:08am

@jb88 here here!!! I said that earlier in a post and got a roasting!! In my view the specific questions shoved a big stick up the bears **se and started a big ball rolling down the hill, dealer audit of CF SA rifles initiated to answer the questions, audit of licensed CF SA, lovely well we all know how few CF SAs were licensed since 2015 not many folks to piss off if we invoke the prohibition now.

otmmyboy2 · 17-09-2021 10:52am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117902348#Comment_117902348

And here I was under the impression that the specific questions were asked AFTER the dealers were contacted, so the ball was already rolling...

Also, again you think one person has the power to sway the dept to something they weren't planning on doing? Come on.

BSA International · 17-09-2021 11:10am

"Also, again you think one person has the power to sway the dept to something they weren't planning on doing?"

Why not? Almost everything that politicians do in this banana Republic is the result of lobbying whether by connected and/or rich individuals or groups.

Grizzly 45 · 17-09-2021 11:34am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117903048#Comment_117903048

Yeah,I must discuss this next time I'm up in the K club swilling champagne and hobnobbing with Leo and Mehole... Are YOU for real man??? If you think I or FUNI has that sort of influence...🤣🤣

otmmyboy2 · 17-09-2021 11:36am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117903048#Comment_117903048

But what motive would someone, a shooter in particular with investment in the hobby and this aspect in particular, have to get CFSA banned?

Or for that matter what proof of any motive has been in evidence here?

As far as I am concerned I heard from my local RFD about the crap first, then from FUNI who had sent the query via TD to the respective minister, with the reply, hence the plans were already in motion?

Then once it is posted on boards as information on what was coming and then gets disparaged by JB88 and smmember20, but ends up being true and in progress, as was stated when it was posted here initially.

In my view asking such questions after the plan is already in motion are sensible, no?

Cass · 17-09-2021 12:01pm

MODERATOR NOTE

I've split off the posts from the semi auto thread into this thread so as to centralise all discussion about the revocation/banning of these firearms as we have moved from discussing the hypothetical to discussing the actual.

clivej · 17-09-2021 1:52pm

Friend of mine only got a new license for his 223 semi auto centre fire rifle this week.

BSA International · 17-09-2021 2:45pm

"But what motive would someone, a shooter in particular with investment in the hobby and this aspect in particular, have to get CFSA banned?"

In this case naivety, stupidity and a realisation they thought they could/had beaten the "system", but hadn't, and then opened a can of worms?

Feisar · 17-09-2021 3:52pm

I don't have a semi auto however I'm extremely annoyed at lads rifles being seized and also concerned with the erosion of our sport. I'm happy to help as best I can. Cass had a thread going here a while back about how to advance our sport. I was getting all misty eyed at the thoughts of reloading at home, 50 meter ranges in every county etc. Well this is the front line, this needs to be stopped and win or lose we need to buck up and nip the likes of this in the bud.

Now it's a bit rich of me saying "buck up" I slide along under the radar with a leave no trace policy to my shooting but it's time to change. Do I start writing to TDs/write to those that came out with ridiculous stats recently/write to the papers/radio stations that allowed this waffle?

In my very humble opinion the SACF lads need to get together, circle the wagons and the rest of us need to contribute to the war chest.

P.S. - the pissy **** way they avoid paying compensation, one can still own the gun but not possess annoys the hell out of me.

The day will come that they will be coming after our .22LR bolt actions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7S-a3Imcz2M&ab_channel=Vabasser1

GooseB · 17-09-2021 4:03pm

"The day will come that they will be coming after our .22LR bolt actions."

If they ban the ammunition they won't have to ☹️

Cass · 17-09-2021 4:24pm

There seems to be a need to apportion blame here, understandable but fruitless, but lets settle this once and for all.

One of our own groups/associations tried to have pistols limited to such an extent as to ban them for everyone else 10 years ago, and failed
Another of "our own", a coalition of groups, tried to have night shooting banned, and failed.
The same coalition tried to have semi autos banned back in 2015 I believe, and failed.

If these established groups with seats on the FCP as well as whatever moniker you want to attach to the umbrella groups of shooting bodies they were members off could not make headway on matters with a direct line to the Minister then, what makes people believe one person with a lot to lose could have more sway? Seriously! Grizzly 45 is big and ugly enough to defend himself so that is not what this is. I am trying to get people to stop looking for a scapegoat for something that was started 6 years ago almost to the day (tomorrow, as I write this).

However if anyone is still out for blood, and keeping in mind the couple (out of many) horrendous f**k ups "our own" have done lets ask ourselves, which do you think precipitated the events we are witnessing now?

A "randomn guy" that took a personal meeting with a TD (or representatives of his office) about a separate matter (mag ban)?
A recognised coalition of shooting bodies, with a seat in the FCP, that has twice called for the banning of semi auto rifles, night shooting, 22 pistols, the privatisation of Deer hunting, etc. mere months before the Minister's statement? (February - April of 2015)

In case anyone thinks I'm deflecting lets take a direct quote from their own blog:

4. The Committee recommends that the licencing of .22 calibre short firearms and centre fire semi-automatic rifles be temporarily restricted;

The intent to ban all future SSACF rifles was announced in September 2015, a minimum of 5 months from the proposals submitted by "our own" because the seemingly eager acceptance of such a ban was taken by the Minister as grounds there would be no push back from the shooting community. I mean why would there be, "we" suggested the ban in the first place.

Cass · 17-09-2021 4:35pm

In case anyone needs reminding or a refresher course.

This thread, post 215 (onwards)
This thread, from post 2,100 or so on for the relevant bits.
This thread, any of it.

Cass · 17-09-2021 8:10pm

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Grizzly 45 · 17-09-2021 8:39pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117904283#Comment_117904283

Yeahhhh, and I just set out with that attitude and plan to sabotage my own newly issued license for a semi-auto .223 that I got granted in May of this year?? Do you really think I'm that stupid or naive on how things work here?

Grizzly 45 · 17-09-2021 8:54pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117903850#Comment_117903850

How long did it take Clive from application to grant?PM if you want.

BSA International · 17-09-2021 10:40pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117905741#Comment_117905741

I don't know ya apart from what you posted on this forum. You wouldn't be the 1st person to shoot themselves in the foot, if you did.

clivej · 18-09-2021 7:58am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117905802#Comment_117905802

About 5 weeks, the FO "lost" application. But it was found again.

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