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The White Wolf · 13-09-2021 8:54pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117886381#Comment_117886381

I look forward to a legendary gyrating title victory.

Loughc · 13-09-2021 9:16pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117885887#Comment_117885887

How did Raw lose in the ratings to AEW last week?

Agent Coulson · 13-09-2021 9:21pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117886928#Comment_117886928

Ratings aren't ranked and never have been on total viewers they are ranked on the 18-49 age viewership and if RAW and Dynamite were on the same night last week AEW would have been the clear number 1 wrestling show that night by a big margin.

J. Marston · 13-09-2021 9:38pm

"But the demos..."

"But if they were on the same night..."

Overdosing on Meltzer is dangerous, kids.

13-09-2021 10:06pm

Is your whole gimmick just to hate on everything and everyone or are you really that hateful and spiteful in real life?

CastorTroy · 13-09-2021 10:48pm

Comparing different nights isn't a good way to do it anyway. How many of those people watch both shows? In theory if they went up against each other Raw could have the same number and Dynamite have 0 or Raw could have 53,000 and Dynamite have 1,319,000.

Until they compete against each other as Dynamite and NXT did, comparing numbers isn't the way to do it.

Lord TSC · 13-09-2021 11:07pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117887063#Comment_117887063

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117887207#Comment_117887207

Mod note

Cut that out. Both of you.

Marston, next time I have to deal with you trying to get into fights with people over posts like this and AEW, I’m carding you. Twice in a few days, I’ve had to step in when you’re trying to cause issues beyond general discussions of the product. It’s coming across as low level trolling now.

Pepsi, cop on to yourself with posts which personally attack posters. If you don’t like a posters contributions, report them or ignore them, but cut out that sort of post which will do nothing but cause further problems on thread.

JP Liz V1 · 13-09-2021 11:32pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117886224#Comment_117886224

Is he Joe's replacement as he was to be on

Cherry_Cola · 14-09-2021 6:01am

Demos are not a new thing in TV though admittedly they have been brought more into the fore since AEW came around. The demo is the ONLY thing that matters to the networks as it appeals to advertisers. Same way Youtube doesn't count views from India in the same way - they make almost no money from that demo. Source: I've worked on one of the biggest streaming platforms for 7 years, ex-GF worked on a huge TV show in Canada so I'm fully aware of the ins and outs.

WWE's reactionary booking is a testament to the success of AEW, New stuff is being thrown at the wall and it makes more interesting viewing. Delighted for Big E.

orecir · 14-09-2021 7:07am

Big night for both the wwe and Big E who they have finally pulled the trigger on.

Fair play to wwe they have been backed into a corner and are fighting back.

Lord TSC · 14-09-2021 8:03am

Came for the Big E title win

got the Big E title win.

Awesome moment overall.

Loughc · 14-09-2021 8:08am

Only read the spoilers now and hopped onto WWE YouTubes channel to see the cash in. And the video they put up edited out the pin for the cash in.

It went from the ring announcer announcing that big E had cashed in his contract to Big E holding the title.

was there a botch they are editing out?

Necro · 14-09-2021 8:58am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117888101#Comment_117888101

Don't think so, I flicked it on this morning when I got up and there didn't seem anything majorly out of place

Lord TSC · 14-09-2021 9:32am

Yeah, I watched the match and didn’t notice anything. Bobby hit a spear, Big are kicked out. Hit the Big Ending and pinned him.

Now, Nikki Ash vs Tamina on the other hand….for those who missed it, Nikki hits a tornado DDT, covers Tamina. Tamina kicks out late so the ref counts three. Nikki celebrates while Tamina’s music plays, and Tamina is announced as the winner. Seemed that the mistake happened, and the ring announcer just read the cue card he had in front of him, rather than actually watching the match….

J. Marston · 14-09-2021 9:51am

Can't blame him for not watching a Tamina match.

I think I said recently how internet fans and live fans are completely different and Alexa is probably the biggest example of that. The gimmick is muck but crowds love her.

Big E is champ, well deserved. While Roman is doing great and Lashley did well, it's good to have a champion who isn't "intense" all the time. E can be intense but he's also the funniest man in wrestling...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QvAs8LpmRE

TimesArrow · 14-09-2021 10:32am

To me that title win felt so hollow. Big E’s first title win should have been at mania with a long build and really had a huge impact, a real wrestlemania moment.. instead they use it to pop a rating on raw in response to the Aew All out buzz and he wins it on another shite episode of Raw

The White Wolf · 14-09-2021 10:53am

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I'd question if Big E would have gotten to Mania before Vince deciding to pull the plug on a successful cash in, so better now than never.

Agent Coulson · 14-09-2021 11:05am

So will Big E drop the title to Goldberg in Saudi next month and then Bobby takes it back off Bill at Survivor Series.

Necro · 14-09-2021 11:48am

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Big Bill and Bobby can have their match in Saudi now, no need for a title to be involved and let Big E off to do other things

CastorTroy · 14-09-2021 11:56am

Yeah, I'd say that's a reason they took the title off Bobby. Now Bill can beat him in Saudi without becoming champ. New Day don't go to Saudi, do they?

PTH2009 · 14-09-2021 12:32pm

Happy enough with the Big E cash in, would of loved to see him cash in against Roman but having him on Raw could boost the brand

Think we will never see New Day break up fully now unless we get a massive swerve.

Anderson I Yvonne · 14-09-2021 12:35pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/116465366#Comment_116465366

You know, I think so too. I just wanted to support you and tell you about it

The White Wolf · 14-09-2021 12:36pm

My only concern about Big E is what now? There's no big feud that jumps out to me bar the usual tired beats of Orton, Sheamus, McIntyre etc...

Necro · 14-09-2021 1:20pm

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Bobby rematch at Extreme Rules then isn't the draft coming up shortly? He's gonna be mainly in holding pattern till post Survivor Series now anyways with the Saudi event next month and whatnot.

I'd not be hugely surprised if him and Roman swapped brands with the draft either. Raw prob needs Roman more than Big E right now tbh

J. Marston · 14-09-2021 1:33pm

There was rumours of the KOTR coming back soon and Woods has been pushing hard for it.

Have him win it and then a get title shot against Big E. It doesn't need to be a split in New Day, face vs face one PPV feud and shake hands afterwards.

JP Liz V1 · 14-09-2021 3:42pm

Delighted for Big E, I just hope it is not a short reign like Kofi and Nikki

Jeff is still so over

Pentecost · 14-09-2021 4:26pm

Big E is great, long overdue win for him. Don't ruin it Vince.

Loughc · 14-09-2021 5:10pm

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Don't hold your breath, the minute their ratings drop even more he'll blame it all on Big E.

Lord TSC · 14-09-2021 5:11pm

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I massively resented that we didn't get a Big E vs Kofi vs Xavier match during Kofi's run. Face vs face vs face, three buddies who throw everything they've got at each other, but hug it out in the end, respectfully. I'd love to get that now.

Could also see a New Day vs Bloodline match at Survivor Series too.

Agent Coulson · 14-09-2021 10:21pm

1.6m this week a drop from 1.8m last week so the hot shotting of the episode didn't work.

The key demo also dropped from 0.52 to 0.43 the lowest since July.

ThePott · 14-09-2021 10:31pm

Watched the main event and the cash-in.

Great moment, I do wonder if doing it on some random Raw sort of ruins it when I think it could have been monumental. That being said delighted for Big E. I do echo the concerns of others though, who else is the top of the card at Raw now, granted there should be a draft soon to spice things up but still.

Also heard someone suggest that Survivor series could be New Day vs the Bloodline and that is an amazing possibility.

CastorTroy · 14-09-2021 11:07pm

It allows Drew to go for the title again, doesn't it? Don't think he was allowed to face Lashley again. Either way at least we'll get someone else for a 10 match series.

beakerjoe · 15-09-2021 12:06am

I am a big fan of Big E and Im happy for him, I really am. The guy is a star.

But this all feels rushed and MITB is a tired device. The win feels underwhelming.

If they wanna make Big E a star, then this feels like a lazy approach. Very little build to this big win, it just feels hollow.

A poor Raw besides the main event angles. Lots of skippable content.

Itssoeasy · 15-09-2021 12:23am

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Well Monday night football is back so not a surprise it went down because it always has in recent years.

beakerjoe · 15-09-2021 9:21am

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Like beyond the ratings grab for a potential Big E cash in what else did Raw offer?

Evil doll battles?

Eva Marie in a ring?

Jinder and the lads in action?

Nothing to make a viewer stick around while channel hopping

Cherry_Cola · 15-09-2021 9:54am

It's very obvious whose strong points aren't in data analysis here and who uses singular data points to further their personal preferred narrative, that's for sure. There are multiple reasons to explain behaviors observed and discounting factors should be applied for a number of factors. No single number really should be taken at face value.

Lord TSC · 15-09-2021 11:19am

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Debateable.

It could have worked by virtue of retaining so much of the audience. Without the Big E stuff, the figures could have been much, much worse...

beakerjoe · 15-09-2021 11:46am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117893894#Comment_117893894

100 percent. I would believe that the Big E segment helped a bunch.

Without it, I think the number would be lower.

B.A._Baracus · 15-09-2021 12:22pm

Lot of Big E fans in here! :p

.... this is only my personal opinion but don't really care about him winning it. Would have meant more if he won it years ago or it could be cause to me he just feels like a caretaker champion.

15-09-2021 12:27pm

I like Big E but one of the reasons I hate the MITB concept is that it just feels wrong the way a face cashes in after the champion has a match. It only works with heels for me when it's cashed in like that.

beakerjoe · 15-09-2021 12:31pm

My issue is with Big E winning is that, beyond winning the MITB ladder match, which had little build itself, they did very little with Big E since Mania.

Hes been feuding what seems like an eternity with Apollo Crews, he had a botched feud with Aleister Black that wad instantly dropped, hes been in plenty of tag matches that mean very little.

He did very little since winning the briefcase and he has yet to have a big singles match that presents him as the next star. His match at Summerslam was forgettable.

The execution of his title win is lacking. I cant see it improving from here and its a pity, because he has the makings of a big star.

Necro · 15-09-2021 12:32pm

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Most of the time I'd agree but there are some exceptions where it just makes sense. Punk's first cash in on Edge for example. I think I'm ok with chalking this into the same category given he telegraphed the whole thing.

Makes Bobby look stupid mind you with Big E promising a cash in and him wandering around the ring instead of leaving immediately after his win... But hey ho thems the breaks.

The White Wolf · 15-09-2021 1:37pm

The Almighty had a smile on his face while Big E was making his way down the ramp so that says everything about how well liked he is.

I said yesterday I don't know where Big E goes from here as there's no interesting challenger, but if they actually do a proper feud between Lashley and Big E that might just be what the latter needs to get legitimacy. MVP slating Big E week after week like he did this week could be stellar.

beakerjoe · 15-09-2021 3:29pm

MVP has been a bright spot on a mostly a poor show week after week. I can see him and Lashley happy to put Big E over.

Big E isnt a main eventer yet, nor has he been presented as one. Compare him to Roman, Edge, Seth, Orton and Drew and hes not presented as being on their level. That needs to change if he is to succeed. He needs main event matches and to be put over clean.

If they have him lose to challengers before title defenses he has very little chance of getting over.

I can see Seth coming to Raw to challenge him.

Preferably, Id like to see a heel Edge put him over

Necro · 15-09-2021 3:32pm

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I still wonder if he'll end up back on Smackdown post draft. I can see them wanting to boost Raw with Roman potentially. I don't particularly want Roman switching, but if say the Bloodline and New Day switch brands you can still do your Survivor Series match...

The White Wolf · 15-09-2021 3:37pm

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I think they will do a switch. Some wrestlers just fit right on a brand so I think a switch would suit both teams. Roman on a Friday night seems like a waste and that's no disrespect meant.

I can see Pat McAfee switching to Raw as well if commentators are included. Another one that feels like a waste on Friday nights and a switch that would instantly give Raw a shot in the arm.

15-09-2021 3:48pm

The way they rushed the belt onto Big E i just do not see him now as anything but a transitional comedy act champion there was no thinking behind putting the belt on him other than we need a boost in the ratings.

The White Wolf · 15-09-2021 3:54pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117895401#Comment_117895401

I'll defend Big E on this as it's the fact that he has fun which makes him such a promising champion. The guy shouldn't have to become ultra serious to be considered a good champion and we should want different things in world champions. That's what keeps it fresh.

Plus c'mon, if Big E is going to be a comedy act as champion then what is Kenny Omega and his antics as champion?

beakerjoe · 15-09-2021 3:57pm

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With Fox being the big money maker and Roman the star, I cant see him leaving Smackdown. Thats the A show these days. Its why Becky is there.

I dont think they care about Raw much. I can see Nakamura switching with Priest, maybe Charlotte coming across, maybe even New Day going to Smackdown too minus Big E.

RollieFingers · 15-09-2021 4:07pm

Don't think I've ever seen anyone describe Omega as being a comedy champion.

Don't get me wrong E is a decent wrestler and clearly very likeable but Omega is one of the best pro-wrestlers ever. Not comparable in my eyes.

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