Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII Read OP For Mod Warnings

prunudo · 04-07-2021 06:04PM

Time to add to my ignore list.

MOR316 · 04-07-2021 06:07PM

Graham wrote: »

indeed

That was a joke, pal

It wasn't anything remotely like a serious post.

Jesus Christ, how long ago was that? You actually searched for that? Seriously?

EDIT: November 2020...Mate, if you want to try and embarrass me, there's plenty of recent posts you can use. Not one from last year, that was clearly a joke.

Graham · 04-07-2021 06:14PM

MOR316 wrote: »

That was a joke, pal It wasn't anything remotely like a serious post.

As was mine, it was just funnier

MOR316 · 04-07-2021 06:18PM

Graham wrote: »

As was mine, it was just funnier

But, I never quoted you and wasn't referring to you

04-07-2021 06:24PM

Graham wrote: »

As was mine, it was just funnier

No it wasn't

beaz2018 · 04-07-2021 06:31PM

'most normal people realise Tony is doing his best'. Christ what a pathetic nation we really are.

Vicxas · 04-07-2021 06:33PM

beaz2018 wrote: »

'most normal people realise Tony is doing his best'. Christ what a pathetic nation we really are.

Is he bollox. He has an agenda and it's obvious as day he has a thing for drinking in Ireland.

lawred2 · 04-07-2021 07:12PM

MrMusician18 wrote: »

If they didn't report it you'd say they were hiding the fact that there was just one positive test and a false one at that. They cannot win.

As long as they report the facts and just the facts - this report is quite literally as series of statements of fact, then no one has a legitimate complaint.

However if you are approaching the story where you believe that they are pushing a fear agenda, well then you will see it everywhere - even where it isn't present. Like in statements of fact

RTE cannot account for your own biases in your head. That's something you only you can deal with tbh.

Poster just said it should be a factoid in the body of the report. How would that constitute "not reporting it"!?

04-07-2021 07:30PM

Snooker Loopy wrote: »

The let it rip cult have always been the people with an obsession with Tony Holohan, an extremely unhealthy one at that.

Most normal people think he's just trying to do his best in difficult circumstances.

The let it rip cult treat him as a mortal enemy in the way Trump vilified Hillary Clinton, to be mercilessly scorned, mocked and threatened. It really is reminiscent of the very worst of imported far right American culture war insanity.

Sixteen months in and we've still people pushing the Saint Tony line, despite the mendacity, the scheming, and now his deliberate and malicious undermining of the vaccination programme itself as an excuse to hammer an industry he despises.

Many people of my generation grew up absolutely bewildered about how the Church managed to have such complete control of national life - and personal lives - for so long. After the last year we're not bewildered any more.

The helpless mewling of a large segment of the population desperate to live in the warm embrace of an authority figure had this country a social outlier in Europe until well into the 90s, and now they have us as an outlier in the world.

The only country in Europe where leaving the country is a criminal offence (it stopped being a criminal offence in East Germany thirty years ago). The only country in Europe where it is forbidden to eat a cheese sandwich in a cafe.

And all because of the ego of one deeply flawed individual who nevertheless has managed to whip himself up a group of disciples who hang on his every word.

Astonishing.

16 months in and Holohan still has NPHET meeting in secret with only edited minutes being made available to the public, yet these meetings are delivering significant economic and social restrictions on the lives of a people who are almost all vaccinated. Why aren't these meetings broadcast? What have they to hide? Are we going to have to wait ten years - again - for the truth to filter out about what this guy has decided the public should know?

votecounts · 04-07-2021 07:41PM

Just looking at the case numbers reminds of the Social Democrats insistence that there should be MHQ from all countries and restrictions until we had under 10 cases a day, we'd be there until 2030:)

votecounts · 04-07-2021 07:45PM

b0nk1e wrote: »

Sixteen months in and we've still people pushing the Saint Tony line, despite the mendacity, the scheming, and now his deliberate and malicious undermining of the vaccination programme itself as an excuse to hammer an industry he despises.

Many people of my generation grew up absolutely bewildered about how the Church managed to have such complete control of national life - and personal lives - for so long. After the last year we're not bewildered any more.

The helpless mewling of a large segment of the population desperate to live in the warm embrace of an authority figure had this country a social outlier in Europe until well into the 90s, and now they have us as an outlier in the world.

The only country in Europe where leaving the country is a criminal offence (it stopped being a criminal offence in East Germany thirty years ago). The only country in Europe where it is forbidden to eat a cheese sandwich in a cafe.

And all because of the ego of one deeply flawed individual who nevertheless has managed to whip himself up a group of disciples who hang on his every word.

Astonishing.

16 months in and Holohan still has NPHET meeting in secret with only edited minutes being made available to the public, yet these meetings are delivering significant economic and social restrictions on the lives of a people who are almost all vaccinated. Why aren't these meetings broadcast? What have they to hide? Are we going to have to wait ten years - again - for the truth to filter out about what this guy has decided the public should know?

Not defending TH but it his job to give public health advice. If the politicians such as MM and Leo want to go against NPHET, they can. If you see Ireland as backward, blame them. They were elected to act in the interests of the people

sp00k · 04-07-2021 07:46PM

https://www.rte.ie/entertainment/2021/0703/1232904-in-pictures-festival-fun-for-fans-at-imma/

I wonder what sort of prices were paid for the stock at this mart.

Beechwoodspark · 04-07-2021 07:47PM

Vicxas wrote: »

Is he bollox. He has an agenda and it's obvious as day he has a thing for drinking in Ireland.

I really do think you need to step back and create a bit of a distance to the issue if you genuinely think TH is “scheming” for want of a better word, by manipulating NPHET advice with the “real agenda” being to reduce alcohol consumption in this country

bucketybuck · 04-07-2021 07:48PM

votecounts wrote: »

Not defending TH but it his job to give public health advice.

Covid health advice, to be more specific. He clearly doesn't give a **** about non covid issues.

Beechwoodspark · 04-07-2021 07:49PM

beaz2018 wrote: »

'most normal people realise Tony is doing his best'. Christ what a pathetic nation we really are.

Why Pathetic ?

The majority of ppl in this country have a considered, mature view of NPHET and the CMO.

Why is that “pathetic”?

aziz · 04-07-2021 07:54PM

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Why Pathetic ?

The majority of ppl in this country have a considered, mature view of NPHET and the CMO.

Why is that “pathetic”?

Speaking to people over the last week,their views of Tony,nphet and the government have drastically changed.

The “majority “ are now pissed off

Deeper Blue · 04-07-2021 07:56PM

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Why Pathetic ?

The majority of ppl in this country have a considered, mature view of NPHET and the CMO.

Why is that “pathetic”?

In the real world the majority are sick to the back teeth of NPHET and the government.

Don't Chute! · 04-07-2021 07:57PM

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Why Pathetic ?

The majority of ppl in this country have a considered, mature view of NPHET and the CMO.

Why is that “pathetic”?

You keep telling us what the “majority of people in this country” thinks. You have absolutely no idea what they think. There cannot be many people left that don’t realize he’s a complete and utter charlatan.

aziz · 04-07-2021 08:03PM

My 87 year old mother in law who never swears,calls nphet “****”

She’s really missing lunch in the pub and bingo and says life isn’t worth living under these restrictions

lawred2 · 04-07-2021 08:04PM

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

I really do think you need to step back and create a bit of a distance to the issue if you genuinely think TH is “scheming” for want of a better word, by manipulating NPHET advice with the “real agenda” being to reduce alcohol consumption in this country

He's on record, multiple times over his career, as to his desire to reduce alcohol consumption in Ireland. Why do you think that's not a matter for him any more?

04-07-2021 08:06PM

UK had 24,000 cases and 13 deaths today. As I said in a previous tweet, this is the equivalent of 1,800 cases here and 1 death.

Therefore, if NPHETs prediction of 700,000 cases came true, it would equate to 388 deaths over a 3-month period.

That's 4 deaths per day. And this is NPHETs "WORST" case, most unlikely scenario.

04-07-2021 08:07PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

Some of us made this very obvious point 6 months ago when we pointed out that the rational for lockdowns then would logically also apply to other "health emergencies", and as such we should now expect calls for lockdown every winter to "flatten the curve" and "protect the hospitals".

As usual such comments were dismissed as not possible. Conspiracy nonsense.

Yet here we are. The usual suspects will again dismiss it because of course they will, but when the head of the HSE in the middle of summer is warning that our hospitals are close to collapse then it doesn't take a rocket surgeon to see what comes later.

But why haven’t they improved bed capacity. There are long waiting lists already made worse by covid delays, people who can’t even afford it are now having to go private.

04-07-2021 08:08PM

votecounts wrote: »

Not defending TH but it his job to give public health advice.

I wish he would give it to the Government rather than leaking it to newspapers or having more Late Late Show appearances than Pat Kenny.

He wants to be a celebrity, but he also wants to make decisions which affect the day-to-day lives, jobs, and businesses of people at secret meetings.

Our democratic system has worked for a century at keeping out dangerous extremists. But we now have an extremist running the country who we cannot ever vote out.

His meltdown at South William Street was the mark of the man. Bitter, spiteful and angry. Ranting and raving on Twitter about the young people with their lives ahead of them. It was an embarrassment.

The best thing for Dr. Tony Holohan, and for Ireland would have been if he'd quietly retired in October. He would have had his memories of the superhero murals and his redemption arc would have been pretty complete.

But he's had far too much power, for far too long, and has completely lost the run of himself. He's probably never going to be able to walk into a pub or restaurant ever again in his life without wondering will he be put out of it. I find that quite sad.

beaz2018 · 04-07-2021 08:09PM

'Tonys job is to give advice...its the govs fault....' christ almighty if i hear that again. Yes in a normal country where they dont have murals, freedoms of the city, late late show appearances, yes the cmo gives advice and the gov act. In this backwater, we have given such an enormous pedestal to a GP with a dodgy past that it is political suicide to go against him. Therefore he doesnt just advise, he dictates.

lawred2 · 04-07-2021 08:10PM

beaz2018 wrote: »

'Tonys job is to give advice...its the govs fault....' christ almighty if i hear that again. Yes in a normal country where they dont have murals, freedoms of the city, late late show appearances, yes the cmo gives advice and the gov act. In this backwater, we have given such an enormous pedestal to a GP with a dodgy past that it is political suicide to go against him. Therefore he doesnt just advise, he dictates.

Murals.

What a sad shower of fanatics we have inhabiting this country..

beaz2018 · 04-07-2021 08:11PM

b0nk1e wrote: »

I wish he would give it to the Government rather than leaking it to newspapers or having more Late Late Show appearances than Pat Kenny.

He wants to be a celebrity, but he also wants to make decisions which affect the day-to-day lives, jobs, and businesses of people at secret meetings.

Our democratic system has worked for a century at keeping out dangerous extremists. But we now have an extremist running the country who we cannot ever vote out.

His meltdown at South William Street was the mark of the man. Bitter, spiteful and angry. Ranting and raving on Twitter about the young people with their lives ahead of them. It was an embarrassment.

The best thing for Dr. Tony Holohan, and for Ireland would have been if he'd quietly retired in October. He would have had his memories of the superhero murals and his redemption arc would have been pretty complete.

But he's had far too much power, for far too long, and has completely lost the run of himself. He's probably never going to be able to walk into a pub or restaurant ever again in his life without wondering will he be put out of it. I find that quite sad.

He will most likely never have to pay for dinner or buy a pint for as long as he lives in this country. Thats where were at.

aziz · 04-07-2021 08:12PM

b0nk1e wrote: »

. He's probably never going to be able to walk into a pub or restaurant ever again in his life without wondering will he be put out of it. I find that quite sad.

Hopefully he and the rest of nphet will be barred from every bar and restaurant

04-07-2021 08:14PM

eskimohunt wrote: »

UK had 24,000 cases and 13 deaths today. As I said in a previous tweet, this is the equivalent of 1,800 cases here and 1 death.

Therefore, if NPHETs prediction of 700,000 cases came true, it would equate to 388 deaths over a 3-month period.

That's 4 deaths per day. And this is NPHETs "WORST" case, most unlikely scenario.

UK is further along with vaccinations though so not completely equivalent situations.

prunudo · 04-07-2021 08:14PM

b0nk1e wrote: »

I wish he would give it to the Government rather than leaking it to newspapers or having more Late Late Show appearances than Pat Kenny.

He wants to be a celebrity, but he also wants to make decisions which affect the day-to-day lives, jobs, and businesses of people at secret meetings.

Our democratic system has worked for a century at keeping out dangerous extremists. But we now have an extremist running the country who we cannot ever vote out.

His meltdown at South William Street was the mark of the man. Bitter, spiteful and angry. Ranting and raving on Twitter about the young people with their lives ahead of them. It was an embarrassment.

The best thing for Dr. Tony Holohan, and for Ireland would have been if he'd quietly retired in October. He would have had his memories of the superhero murals and his redemption arc would have been pretty complete.

But he's had far too much power, for far too long, and has completely lost the run of himself. He's probably never going to be able to walk into a pub or restaurant ever again in his life without wondering will he be put out of it. I find that quite sad.

Oh to be a fly on the wall the day he is refused service in a cafe, restaurant or pub.

Beechwoodspark · 04-07-2021 08:18PM

lawred2 wrote: »

He's on record, multiple times over his career, as to his desire to reduce alcohol consumption in Ireland. Why do you think that's not a matter for him any more?

He addressed the issue a few days ago and I am happy to take him on good faith.

Ppl have to remember the cabinet and wider NPHET scrutinise the recommendations

Also the wider govt, the opposition, and the media scrutinise the recommendations.

Dare I say Some posters have a very simplistic overly personalised, almost school yard childish view of the situation. (Boo hiss the bad man Tony).

It’s not the case that TH dials up Michael Martin and gives him advice off the top of his head.

Do ppl accept that There’s a professional process involving many stakeholders here

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