Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Wolf359f

Leftwaffe wrote: »

UK beginning to turn the corner. Could spell the end for Dr. Tony.

Which corner?
We've had so many we are going around in circles (squares)

aziz

Wolf359f wrote: »

Which corner?
We've had so many we are going around in circles (squares)

I’m starting to feel dizzy from it all

MOR316

Meanwhile...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFID-GQDU1s

Wolf359f

MOR316 wrote: »

Meanwhile...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFID-GQDU1s

.... what's your take?
We should make proof of vaccination a requirement for events like for that concert?

Loafing Oaf

‘We’re opening on July 5th no matter what’: restaurants fight back

Who believes these guys?
I'll go out on a limb here and predict none of them will be open tomorrow.

bucketybuck

Wolf359f wrote: »

It could be people being too cautious or people awaiting either a first or second dose before they decide to dine or drink out.

Or perhaps it could be:

naughtysmurf wrote: »

I appreciate that the weather was sh1te

Outdoor dining not popular when the weather is ****e, who knew...

Wolf359f

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

‘We’re opening on July 5th no matter what’: restaurants fight back

Who believes these guys?
I'll go out on a limb here and predict none of them will be open tomorrow.

Seen it before, the owner will tweet pics of happy customers.... a few hours later a guard will arrive and the owner will tweet, due to health a safety, we have decide to close in line with government guidelines etc...

MrMusician18

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

‘We’re opening on July 5th no matter what’: restaurants fight back

Who believes these guys?
I'll go out on a limb here and predict none of them will be open tomorrow.

I'd say some will. Whether they remain open is another matter. That said, I am presuming that restaurants have closed indoors because of legislation rather than simply cooperation.

Wolf359f

bucketybuck wrote: »

Or perhaps it could be:


Outdoor dining not popular when the weather is ****e, who knew...

If people are dying for a pint, they would have no issue sitting under parasol drinking. Smokers have endured the outdoor smoking areas for years. But even on the UK reddit group, in light of rising cases etc... you can see a few people saying they will be extra cautious until they get their second jab etc...

Loafing Oaf

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

‘We’re opening on July 5th no matter what’: restaurants fight back

Who believes these guys?
I'll go out on a limb here and predict none of them will be open tomorrow.

I believe there is a desire there, but there is no unity whatsoever. They need to unionise and defy. If a certain amount defys the government, it reaches critical mass and its game over government, and game over nphet.

MOR316

Wolf359f wrote: »

.... what's your take?
We should make proof of vaccination a requirement for events like for that concert?

It's a whole can of worms.

That gig was for vaccinated people only (FF in MSG) but, I personally don't agree with it
That farce in Dublin yesterday...Less said about it, the better. I don't wanna get over emotional.

There was nothing stopping Ireland, having a proper test event yesterday. It was done for PR and press reasons, as you can see today in the papers. I have a mate who was there yesterday. His public opinion was the opposite as to what he told me.

It was pathetic!

If you want that sector to come back, you use real experiences to test it! You don't separate them like Donkeys! You learn nothing otherwise.

It was a PR stunt...That message on the screen during it...They can go and **** off!! I'm disgusted and hurt

You cannot do that to people who don't wish to take the vaccine or to people medically can't take it or people haven't been offered it.

Fils

Fils wrote: »

Invite your friend around for coffee. That’s indoors.

Oh ffs!!! That is the most lazy counterargument ive came across and the nphet fantasists have generated some gems to date


Invite around for a coffee???? Id have to make it myself then. i want to pay for it, sit down and chat with my friend. I surely don't have to explain how the economy works to a grown adult? in case I do, my money and the money of other customers will help keep a business open and help keep someone in employment

You are aware that we can actually go to the cinema and watch a long movie in an air-conditioned theatre yeah? So what is your rationale for keeping indoor dining shut for longer than it should be???? Come on now??? your the expert and we are the mere plebs, please flesh out your reasoning

Wolf359f

Deleted User wrote: »

I believe there is a desire there, but there is no unity whatsoever. They need to unionise and defy. If a certain amount defys the government, it reaches critical mass and its game over government, and game over nphet.

What's next, not paying taxes, fines etc...
I highly doubt they would have the majority of the public support.
I see like 1 or 2 supporting him on that page.

bucketybuck

Wolf359f wrote: »

If people are dying for a pint, they would have no issue sitting under parasol drinking. Smokers have endured the outdoor smoking areas for years. But even on the UK reddit group, in light of rising cases etc... you can see a few people saying they will be extra cautious until they get their second jab etc...

What are you even on about, who said anybody was dying for a pint?

The OP said he was in two outdoor pubs that were not busy, casually throwing in the fact that the weather was ****e almost as if it was an afterthought when in fact it would be the single most relevant factor to the whole damn conversation.

Now you seem to be saying that if people were hardcore enough they would brave the ****e weather, which seems to be spectacularly missing the point altogether.

gozunda

Wolf359f wrote: »

.... what's your take?
We should make proof of vaccination a requirement for events like for that concert?

Be like Wuhan back in May and put your hands up like you don't care ...


https://www.bangkokpost.com/life/arts-and-entertainment/2109211/thousands-of-revellers-attend-wuhan-music-festival

Wolf359f

MOR316 wrote: »

It's a whole can of worms.

That gig was for vaccinated people only (FF in MSG) but, I personally don't agree with it
That farce in Dublin yesterday...Less said about it, the better. I don't wanna get over emotional.

There was nothing stopping Ireland, having a proper test event yesterday. It was done for PR and press reasons, as you can see today in the papers. I have a mate who was there yesterday. His public opinion was the opposite as to what he told me.

It was pathetic!

If you want that sector to come back, you use real experiences to test it! You don't separate them like Donkeys! You learn nothing otherwise.

It was a PR stunt...That message on the screen during it...They can go and **** off!! I'm disgusted and hurt

You cannot do that to people who don't wish to take the vaccine or to people medically can't take it or people haven't been offered it.

So you posted a video of a concert in the US where all have to have proof they were fully vaccinated and you response when I asked your takes was..... You don't agree with it?
I'm sorry, I though you were posting the video to show how the USA is reopening better then Ireland. But what you meant was you don't agree with it?

Loafing Oaf

Deleted User wrote: »

I believe there is a desire there, but there is no unity whatsoever. They need to unionise and defy.

Bit late to be organising that 12.30 the night before...

bucketybuck

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Bit late to be organising that 12.30 the night before...

They are good at cancelling these things the night before...

Loafing Oaf

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Bit late to be organising that 12.30 the night before...

Im not aware of an actual movement in place but thats not to say that others wont join Treyvaud and defy the bull****

Loafing Oaf

Deleted User wrote: »

Im not aware of an actual movement in place but thats not to say that others wont join Treyvaud and defy the bull****

I just think SME owners are about the last group in Irish society to martyr themselves for any cause, even their own sector's interests. They will huff and puff but when the threat of large fines, losing their licences etc. comes into play they'll knuckle under...

Wolf359f

Wolf359f wrote: »

What's next, not paying taxes, fines etc...
I highly doubt they would have the majority of the public support.
I see like 1 or 2 supporting him on that page.

Your taking a leap here. Being denied the opportunity to make a living because of inept dopes who made recommendations based on out of date information is different to not paying a fine. They have waited long enough to reopen. they should defend their livelihoods if they care passionately enough because if it goes beyond tomorrow, there is no guarantee whether they will ever reopen. In Italy, a huge amount of restaurants opened and defied the law a few months back. Paul Treyhaud has set his stall out on this with weeks. No reason why others cannot join him. In particular, if the gardai turn the blind eye then word will spread and it will be like a domino effect.

Loafing Oaf

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

I just think SME owners are about the last group in Irish society to martyr themselves for any cause, even their own sector's interests. They will huff and puff but when the threat of large fines, losing their licences etc. comes into play they'll knuckle under...

Probably.....I hope they show strength though and see it through. And I hope the punters support them.

MOR316

Wolf359f wrote: »

So you posted a video of a concert in the US where all have to have proof they were fully vaccinated and you response when I asked your takes was..... You don't agree with it?
I'm sorry, I though you were posting the video to show how the USA is reopening better then Ireland. But what you meant was you don't agree with it?

Ireland is a ****ing mess, pal! If you want to stay in denial, that's your business. If you want to ignore a **** health service, that's your business..

However, you're 100% right. That was very hypocritcal of me to post that clip. I don't agree with what I see as discrimination and you're right to call me out on it. I just got over emotive...

However, I have family and friends in that city and I see how it's now back to normal. I see how their lives are back to what it somewhat used to be and it hurts...I see people attending theatres, sports events, live music events, pubs, clubs, art festivals, where it's not a case of "vaccine passports" and it stings!! To be blunt about it, I often think about the otherside...It's not easy to cope at times.

The Floyd p

Do ye reckon with the rate of vaccination, and the interest from young people in getting vaccinated, that the mask mandate will be dropped before the end of the year?

Wolf359f

MOR316 wrote: »

Ireland is a ****ing mess, pal! If you want to stay in denial, that's your business. If you want to ignore a **** health service, that's your business..

However, you're 100% right. That was very hypocritcal of me to post that clip. I don't agree with what I see as discrimination and you're right to call me out on it. I just got over emotive...

However, I have family and friends in that city and I see how it's now back to normal. I see how their lives are back to what it somewhat used to be and it hurts...I see people attending theatres, sports events, live music events, pubs, clubs, art festivals, where it's not a case of "vaccine passports" and it stings!! To be blunt about it, I often think about the otherside...It's not easy to cope at times.

I'm not in denial, I know we're outliers in Europe (in indoor dining) we've also had among the highest case counts in Europe. Had we gotten to Germany's level, we'd have a fraction of the cases we have. Why we don't... I'd love to know.
I think the whole country knows we have a been left short changed with out healthcare service, I would't go so far as to call it ****. You can insult a lot of dedicated HCW's with statements like that. Best say is a **** management.

And don't post videos when you're trying to make a point but the video is completely against your point. Maybe you were hoping to illicit a response and hope nobody checked up on the concert?

questionmark?

shocksy wrote: »

If it wasn't known before (however, it was to many) the covid pandemic, this country has a really serious drinking problem. I await the posters who will jump on this post. However, no matter what way people try and defend it, it is true and really disturbing. There are people frothing at the mouth waiting to be able to drink indoors again and get absolutely stupid drunk again. The whole "social argument" doesn't cut it. It's a lame excuse. There are plenty of other ways to be social. However, all most people can think of doing in this country to be social is getting $hit faced drunk. It's pure desperation in a way that alcohol is their only "fun" way of being social with friends and family etc. It's a sad state of affairs when all people can think of doing is getting into a pub again. Thankfully I don't fit into this part of the population. I'm not anti drinking before anyone says it, but there is serious alcohol addiction in this country that many won't dare admit too. There is also a major drinking problem in this country to the extent that certain cohorts of society won't acknowledge it and will fight to the death on internet forums to deny it exists.

Your post/rant failed to mention the following:
Indoor dining, all those people mad to get drunk with a Sunday roast with the kids or grabbing lunch with colleagues. Disgraceful.
Tourists looking for something to eat after a day of, well acting as a tourist. Disgraceful carry on.
10's of thousands of jobs. Totally understand you find those jobs disgraceful.
Businesses paying the huge amount of various taxes and charges.
I could go on. Still no mention of pints though why, because indoor hospitality does not equal going and getting blind drunk.

The Floyd p

The Floyd p wrote: »

Do ye reckon with the rate of vaccination, and the interest from young people in getting vaccinated, that the mask mandate will be dropped before the end of the year?

Honestly, i dont envisage that useless shower removing any restrictions. They need to be disbanded now

MOR316

Wolf359f wrote: »

I'm not in denial, I know we're outliers in Europe (in indoor dining) we've also had among the highest case counts in Europe. Had we gotten to Germany's level, we'd have a fraction of the cases we have. Why we don't... I'd love to know.
I think the whole country knows we have a been left short changed with out healthcare service, I would't go so far as to call it ****. You can insult a lot of dedicated HCW's with statements like that. Best say is a **** management.

And don't post videos when you're trying to make a point but the video is completely against your point. Maybe you were hoping to illicit a response and hope nobody checked up on the concert?

If you think it's all about "indoor dining" you're massively mistaken.

In terms of that gig clip I posted, the emotion got the better of me and I openly admit that, like I said in my original response. I didn't check the facts and once I did, I said I disagreed. I was wrong

Atlantic Dawn

Looking at CNN now the virus is dead in US, zero distancing, proper order.

corkonion

What I find unbelievable is that Nphet don't want to be part of the government talks with the leaders of the hospitality industry later today, they want to wait until talks progress and enter the talks at a later date.
= no indoor anything this year.