Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII Read OP For Mod Warnings

titan18 · 04-07-2021 05:02PM

Fils wrote: »

I would imagine indoor dining 2022 is achievable.

From what I can see, plenty of places have reopened and serving indoors already. Not just rural places but seeing it in Cork city too.

namloc1980 · 04-07-2021 05:05PM

The massively spread out crowd in Limerick all wearing masks outdoors is very weird.

gozunda · 04-07-2021 05:06PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

The average is an accurate way of showing trends in certain contexts. Using it to dispute whether case figures are decreasing day after day over a small period of time is not one of those contexts. The figures don't lie, there have been consecutive decreases for the last 4 days running. The average won't reflect that for a number of days because it's a function of 5-7 days, not 24-72 hours.

Nope. Not disputing anything btw. Its simply a graph. One that includes data up to yesterday.

We know that case numbers on a given date do not necessarily show the number of new cases on that day, but the cases reported on that day. And since reporting can vary significantly from day to day – irrespectively of any actual variation of cases – it is better to view the seven-day rolling average of the daily figures as we do in the chart here.

And its a rolling average btw - it moves daily as explained above.

ACitizenErased · 04-07-2021 05:07PM

gozunda wrote: »

Nope. Not disputing anything btw.

We know that case numbers on a given date do not necessarily show the number of new cases on that day, but the cases reported on that day. And since reporting can vary significantly from day to day – irrespectively of any actual variation of cases – it is better to view the seven-day rolling average of the daily figures as we do in the chart here.

And its a rolling average btw - it moves daily.

You posted it in opposition to the poster who said it's a plateau over the last few days. That is a fact. Posting the average will not change that fact.

gozunda · 04-07-2021 05:09PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

You posted it in opposition to the poster who said it's a plateau over the last few days. That is a fact. Posting the average will not change that fact.

Nope. Posted to demonstrate that daily figures are not necessarily an accurate representation of the data. Thats a fact.

Again. We know that case numbers on a given date do not necessarily show the number of new cases on that day, but the cases reported on that day. And since reporting can vary significantly from day to day – irrespectively of any actual variation of cases – it is better to view the seven-day rolling average of the daily figures as we do in the chart here.

ACitizenErased · 04-07-2021 05:10PM

gozunda wrote: »

Nope. Posted to demonstrate that daily figures are not necessarily an accurate representation of the data. Thats a fact.

Well a reduction in r-number this week and 4 days of reducing figures is enough to discuss a possible future trend, whether you like it or not. Posting the average for a larger period of time won't stop that discussion.

gozunda · 04-07-2021 05:19PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Well a reduction in r-number this week and 4 days of reducing figures is enough to discuss a possible future trend, whether you like it or not. Posting the average for a larger period of time won't stop that discussion.

Tbf I think that's what we're doing.

But do you mean this r number?

R number in England falls slightly to 1.1 to 1.3 despite rise in cases across UK

England's R number estimate has fallen slightly to between 1.1 and 1.3 despite a rise in coronavirus cases across the UK.

Last week it was listed as between 1.2 and 1.4.

The R number is highest in the South West and the North East and Yorkshire. It is thought to be lowest in the east of England, London and the North West.

The daily growth rate of infections in England was estimated at between 3% and 5%, the same as the previous week.

https://news.sky.com/story/r-number-in-england-falls-slightly-to-1-1-to-1-3-despite-rise-in-case-numbers-12347078

As an aside we can of course discuss possible reasons why we're still seeing rising cases despite a slight reduction in the r number in the UK.

bucketybuck · 04-07-2021 05:21PM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

We’re effectively under restrictions as a result of our shambolic health system rather as a direct result of COVID then.

Another one to add to the growing list of things dismissed as conspiracy theories by posters on here that turned out to be true.

Some of us made this very obvious point 6 months ago when we pointed out that the rational for lockdowns then would logically also apply to other "health emergencies", and as such we should now expect calls for lockdown every winter to "flatten the curve" and "protect the hospitals".

As usual such comments were dismissed as not possible. Conspiracy nonsense.

Yet here we are. The usual suspects will again dismiss it because of course they will, but when the head of the HSE in the middle of summer is warning that our hospitals are close to collapse then it doesn't take a rocket surgeon to see what comes later.

Allinall · 04-07-2021 05:26PM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Of course something can be accurate and misleading. A recent example would be people quoting the average wage rather than the median, knowing full well how people would interpret it.

That’s 100% on the people who misinterpret it.

There can’t be anything misleading about facts.

04-07-2021 05:30PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

Some of us made this very obvious point 6 months ago when we pointed out that the rational for lockdowns then would logically also apply to other "health emergencies", and as such we should now expect calls for lockdown every winter to "flatten the curve" and "protect the hospitals".

As usual such comments were dismissed as not possible. Conspiracy nonsense.

Yet here we are. The usual suspects will again dismiss it because of course they will, but when the head of the HSE in the middle of summer is warning that our hospitals are close to collapse then it doesn't take a rocket surgeon to see what comes later.

Indeed. And there was a story out of the UK a couple of days ago about a 5 year winter plan: https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/uk-news/governments-winter-covid-plan-could-20951592

04-07-2021 05:36PM

landofthetree wrote: »

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1411656173879693319

Finally Reid tells the truth. Our hospitals are a joke.

If the HSE is unable to cope with forty Covid cases, 16 months after it demanded a two-week ban on businesses and socialising which is now in its second year, to flatten the curve and allow the HSE to increase capacity, then it is difficult to see how its Director General - who has been paid €560,137 of taxpayers' money since demanding the lockdown - should remain in place.

pc7 · 04-07-2021 05:38PM

landofthetree wrote: »

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1411656173879693319

Finally Reid tells the truth. Our hospitals are a joke.

And when you think of all the money at hand the last year they did nothing to fix it, just plug holes in a sinking ship.

is_that_so · 04-07-2021 05:40PM

b0nk1e wrote: »

If the HSE is unable to cope with forty Covid cases, 16 months after it demanded a two-week ban on businesses and socialising which is now in its second year, to flatten the curve and allow the HSE to increase capacity, then it is difficult to see how its Director General - who has been paid €560,137 of taxpayers' money since demanding the lockdown - should remain in place.

The HSE didn't threaten anything and he's just stating a fact about general operations. Before all of this started they had just started work on restructuring it.

brickster69 · 04-07-2021 05:41PM

pc7 wrote: »

And when you think of all the money at hand the last year they did nothing to fix it, just plug holes in a sinking ship.

And if the projections for Delta wave are in any way near true, what the hell happens ? :eek:

04-07-2021 05:41PM

It's plain as day that NPHET will recommend some form of lockdown to government in next 4 weeks. Case numbers are only going to go up which further justifies their rationale. Don't agree with NPHET on this as I think they are being too cautious.

Snooker Loopy · 04-07-2021 05:43PM

b0nk1e wrote: »

The people desperately trying to spin the UK as some sort of charnel house to prove Tony is right is really quite something.

The let it rip cult have always been the people with an obsession with Tony Holohan, an extremely unhealthy one at that.

Most normal people think he's just trying to do his best in difficult circumstances.

The let it rip cult treat him as a mortal enemy in the way Trump vilified Hillary Clinton, to be mercilessly scorned, mocked and threatened. It really is reminiscent of the very worst of imported far right American culture war insanity.

ACitizenErased · 04-07-2021 05:43PM

Deleted User wrote: »

It's plain as day that NPHET will recommend some form of lockdown to government in next 4 weeks. Case numbers are only going to go up which further justifies their rationale. Don't agree with NPHET on this as I think they are being too cautious.

Don't think it's plain as day at all. No increase in deaths or hospitalisations.

04-07-2021 05:44PM

Deeper Blue wrote: »

Any update on all those reinfections in healthcare workers that you told us about last year?

One was reported on by the media in early June.

MOR316 · 04-07-2021 05:45PM

Snooker Loopy wrote: »

The let it rip cult have always been the people with an obsession with Tony Holohan, an extremely unhealthy one at that.

I do love when people run out of arguments, they use the terms "cult" and "stans"

aziz · 04-07-2021 05:50PM

MOR316 wrote: »

I do love when people run out of arguments, they use the terms "cult" and "stans"

And use the “conspiracy theory forum that way” line

Just feck off

Graham · 04-07-2021 05:50PM

MOR316 wrote: »

I do love when people run out of arguments, they use the terms "cult" and "stans"

indeed

MOR316 wrote: »

The cult of Teflon Holohan will dismember you for this

normanoffside · 04-07-2021 05:51PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

Why didn't the headline say "False positive antigen test result at pilot festival"?

That question is not for you by the way, I already know you will be contrarian.

Must have out some tonic water on it. Should have used Butter instead.

DebDynamite · 04-07-2021 05:54PM

MOR316 wrote: »

I do love when people run out of arguments, they use the terms "cult" and "stans"

And try to politicise it by bringing Trump into the argument :rolleyes:

Snooker Loopy · 04-07-2021 05:57PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Don't think it's plain as day at all. No increase in deaths or hospitalisations.

Daily Covid hospitalisations in England have increased from 69 on May 29th to 331 on June 30th - and they will rise much higher than that.

If you want indoor pubs open in Ireland, at have the honesty to admit what it will result in - a fivefold and more increase in hospitalisations.

The people who push the let it rip narrative are also mainly the same people who have never given a toss about our health service.

ACitizenErased · 04-07-2021 05:58PM

Snooker Loopy wrote: »

Daily Covid hospitalisations in England have increased from 69 on May 29th to 331 on June 30th - and they will rise much higher than that.

If you want indoor pubs open in Ireland, at have the honesty to admit what it will result in - a fivefold and more increase in hospitalisations.

The people who push the let it rip narrative are also mainly the same people who have never given a toss about our health service.

Advocating for re-opening =/= 'let it rip'. Quite ignorant to lump everyone into one group.

pc7 · 04-07-2021 06:00PM

Snooker Loopy wrote: »

Daily Covid hospitalisations in England have increased from 69 on May 29th to 331 on June 30th - and they will rise much higher than that.

If you want indoor pubs open in Ireland, at have the honesty to admit what it will result in - a fivefold and more increase in hospitalisations.

The people who push the let it rip narrative are also mainly the same people who have never given a toss about our health service.

But they will rise while all hospitality is open, they are doing well in euros so it’s party central. We still have lots of measures in place included restricting indoor dining and out schools are closed, there is less paths for it to spread in the same fashion.

Snooker Loopy · 04-07-2021 06:00PM

DebDynamite wrote: »

And try to politicise it by bringing Trump into the argument :rolleyes:

"Politicise it". What are you on about? The whole let it rip cult is deeply politically ideological. It idolises some of the worst people on earth - Trump, Orban, Bolsonaro, Putin, De Santis, Johnson.

All of whose media acolytes are "let it rip" devotees.

ACitizenErased · 04-07-2021 06:00PM

"let it rip cult"

Christ.

Snooker Loopy · 04-07-2021 06:01PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Advocating for re-opening =/= 'let it rip'. Quite ignorant to lump everyone into one group.

That is exactly what it is.

ACitizenErased · 04-07-2021 06:02PM

Snooker Loopy wrote: »

That is exactly what it is.

No it isn't.

Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII Read OP For Mod Warnings