Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

niallo27

gozunda wrote: »

In fairness? No that's simlly bs.

But rather than argue the point - you've decided to make a personal swipe ...

And to that - that's yet even more things which were never said. I believe there's one instance where I stated I had not made up my mind after being hounded for an answer on something irrelevant to what was being discussed.

But yes go ahead - do please link to where I state I "will follow exactly what nphet say"..

Nobody hounded you for anything, you have been very vocal on here and anytime anyone asked you for your own personal opinion, you didn't have one. After 18 months you surely have an opinion.

bear1

Nphet not meeting the hospitality sector tomorrow.
Funny that.

gozunda

niallo27 wrote: »

Nobody hounded you for anything, you have been very vocal on here and anytime anyone asked you for your own personal opinion, you didn't have one. After 18 months you surely have an opinion.

Incorrect.

Edit: welcome to the ignore list.

_Kaiser_

gozunda wrote: »

Jfc Did you actually read the stuff you've written there?

He's not exactly wrong is he...

This country spent decades under the authoritarian and puritanical (but also deeply hypocritical) rule of the Catholic Church at the cost of massive damage to our society, children, and general progress when compared with the rest of Europe and indeed most of the world.

Hmmm.. Now what does that remind us of? More on that later...

As for Holohan himself...

He has an issue with alcohol consumption in this country. That's on record from speeches he made a decade ago.

He's an individual who doesn't like to be challenged or even questioned. That's on record from his responses to journalists at the pressers over the recent months.

He's found himself in a position where he can effectively combine both to strong arm the elected Government into compliance with his "recommendations". That's on record from his infamous return that Sunday night and our immediate bounce into level 5, not to mention his tweets on people socialising in Dublin (although who knows what he did or didn't see - it was very much like "Enda Kenny and the Man With Two Pints" really), or how he and his colleagues start leaking their recommendations and concerns just before the Government is due to meet to decide the next steps.

All told, it's not at all unlike the authority and influence that a Catholic Archbishop would have had not all that long ago.

To quote a line from Escape from LA (ironically a movie whose central premise was about LA County having separated from the rest of the US and where citizens were held captive by an authoritarian government and puritanical president*) - "The more things change, the more they stay the same!"


(* and yes of course it was just a movie, and entertaining enough at that, but as they say too.. Sometimes truth can indeed be stranger than fiction!)

gozunda

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

He's not exactly wrong is he...

This country spent decades under the authoritarian and puritanical (but also deeply hypocritical) rule of the Catholic Church at the cost of massive damage to our society, children, and general progress when compared with the rest of Europe and indeed most of the world.

Hmmm.. Now what does that remind us of? More on that later...

As for Holohan himself...

He has an issue with alcohol consumption in this country. That's on record from speeches he made a decade ago.

He's an individual who doesn't like to be challenged or even questioned. That's on record from his responses to journalists at the pressers over the recent months.

He's found himself in a position where he can effectively combine both to strong arm the elected Government into compliance with his "recommendations". That's on record from his infamous return that Sunday night and our immediate bounce into level 5, not to mention his tweets on people socialising in Dublin (although who knows what he did or didn't see - it was very much like "Enda Kenny and the Man With Two Pints" really), or how he and his colleagues start leaking their recommendations and concerns just before the Government is due to meet to decide the next steps.

All told, it's not at all unlike the authority and influence that a Catholic Archbishop would have had not all that long ago.

To quote a line from Escape from LA (ironically a movie whose central premise was about LA County having separated from the rest of the US and where citizens were held captive by an authoritarian government and puritanical president*) - "The more things change, the more they stay the same!"


(* and yes of course it was just a movie, and entertaining enough at that, but as they say too.. Sometimes truth can indeed be stranger than fiction!)

Honest opinion? It reads like something you'd hear in Speakers Corner in Hyde Park.

Look I get it that people are deeply resentful of his position atm and don't like his opinions. I can understand that to a certain extent. I dont agree with everything either but he's never going to be Mr. Congeniality. And likely he desperately needs a PR advisor and to stay away from the cesspit which is social media.

As to the CC - lots of countries have had issue with religion but jaysus the constant comparisons as a stick to beat anyone not agreeing here are just bizarre. That and the endless character assinations are completely puerile at best.

lawred2

lawred2 wrote: »

Murals.

What a sad shower of fanatics we have inhabiting this country..

Yes, sadly we had a mural a while back of Jim Jones.... I mean Tony, that has been since removed since his part in the Cervical Scandal was revealed.

bear1

bear1 wrote: »

Nphet not meeting the hospitality sector tomorrow.
Funny that.

Priveleged b@stards cant face the people whose livelihoods they have destroyed for 16 months.

What drives me around the bend is that they have tried to discredit actual virologists from Harvard. Their insatiable thirst for power won't waver for a second.

irishproduce

maxamillius wrote: »

Threads upon threads on this, the reality is we need to move on and put this behind us, it’s not going away, people will be affected, people will die, some close to us, some not.
We are never going to achieve zero covid nor are we ever going to change those who don’t want a vaccines mind, stop trying, everyone is different and everyone entitled to there opinion.
Would we rather hide away or keep on moving with our short time on the planet.
For the greater good I think it’s time to open up and move on. Personal opinion and not looking for an argument!!

I'm not sure about coercing those who are not concerned about vaccine. I think you can make people take it.

The purpose of this touted vaccine passport for dining etc is only there to corral young people to go and get their vaccine.
The rule itself will never actually be enacted but it doesn't have to. It only has to drive sufficient numbers of young people in the mean time to get vaccinated.

bear1

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Priveleged b@stards cant face the people whose livelihoods they have destroyed for 16 months.

What drives me around the bend is that they have tried to discredit actual virologists from Harvard. Their insatiable thirst for power won't waver for a second.

And yet we've a government and some on here that would praise them no matter what.

bear1

bear1 wrote: »

And yet we've a government and some on here that would praise them no matter what.

overheard a customer and a colleague praising the great job he has done the other day. I wanted to projectile vomit everywhere

Fils

We are as a country getting obsessed with indoor dining. Is anyone cooking some spuds and bacon anymore?

Let's open everything tomorrow - you're clearly an alcoholic.

Let's follow the govt advice - you're clearly a bootlicker.

The reality is probably somewhere in between. For a lot of people, working from home etc, the last 15 months haven't been that bad.

Probably the best thing I've seen is people contacting their TDs.

Oh well, another week beckons. Make love, not war.

But, you know, socially distance that sh×t.

Fils

Fils wrote: »

We are as a country getting obsessed with indoor dining. Is anyone cooking some spuds and bacon anymore?

Well it seems ridiculous looking at packed stadiums across Europe and cinemas open here, and yet we are the last country in Europe that still cant even have a coffee within a roof and walls. Dont forget, a lot of people can't provide outdoor facilities and with the weather the way it is today, how would you actually provide this facility??

bear1

It's like I said before.
If we had Italian summers, if we had reasonable prices and if we actually had an apt government then I think holidaying in Ireland would make perfect sense.
But, we don't have Italian weather, we are a very expensive country for what you get and we've a government that struggles to be able to govern at the best of times.
Cead mile failte.

PTH2009

Its simply the fact is aren't been told why are we the outliners in all of Europe for the last year in a bit. One of the longest and in some areas the harshist lockdowns

It's not about wanting to skull a few pints indoors

naughtysmurf

aziz wrote: »

And the amount of people drinking in the pubs have been dwindling for many years now
Our pub culture will drastically change over the next 10 years or so.

This could well be true, I also think that the publican who is expecting his business to return to pre COVID levels overnight could be in for a bit of a shock, it could be a long hard road for them

I was in two pubs, one Saturday one Sunday, both have large covered outdoor areas , both serve food, they were both spectacularly unbusy, I appreciate that the weather was sh1te but was surprised all the same

Fils

Deleted User wrote: »

Well it seems ridiculous looking at packed stadiums across Europe and cinemas open here, and yet we are the last country in Europe that still cant even have a coffee within a roof and walls. Dont forget, a lot of people can't provide outdoor facilities and with the weather the way it is today, how would you actually provide this facility??

Invite your friend around for coffee. That’s indoors.

Wolf359f

naughtysmurf wrote: »

This could well be true, I also think that the publican who is expecting his business to return to pre COVID levels overnight could be in for a bit of a shock, it could be a long hard road for them

I was in two pubs, one Saturday one Sunday, both have large covered outdoor areas , both serve food, they were both spectacularly unbusy, I appreciate that the weather was sh1te but was surprised all the same

It could be people being too cautious or people awaiting either a first or second dose before they decide to dine or drink out. The Delta variant has some spooked. Weither or not that is justified, time will tell.

PTH2009

PTH2009 wrote: »

Its simply the fact is aren't been told why are we the outliners in all of Europe for the last year in a bit. One of the longest and in some areas the harshist lockdowns

It's not about wanting to skull a few pints indoors

This is a common retort from the cult of Nphet fanatics to try discredit the doubters as desperate alcoholics while lazily forgetting that there is other indoor pursuits and workplaces that are currently in operation at present such as factories and cinemas, and also that e have had one of the top three strictest lockdowns in the world alongside those bastions of freedom, Cuba and Eritrea.

Also, probably something that has been also lost in the debate, covid 19 was proved to have been in Italy as early as September 2019

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-circulating-in-italy-as-early-as-september-2019-scientists-claim-12133825

ceadaoin.

normanoffside wrote: »

Belgium’s pilot Eneas are a bit more ambitious.

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1411760374056095745?s=21

None of these silly "pilot " events in the US, just completely normal events for months now. Guess the virus behaves differently here or something.

Dr. Bre

ceadaoin. wrote: »

None of these silly "pilot " events in the US, just completely normal events for months now. Guess the virus behaves differently here or something.

Well it knows when you have ordered a meal in a pub

munster87

Fils wrote: »

Invite your friend around for coffee. That’s indoors.

Problem solved. Fair play. Sure why bother with this silly hospitality business at all in future.

gozunda

Fils wrote: »

Invite your friend around for coffee. That’s indoors.

I think you're on to something there

Fils

munster87 wrote: »

Problem solved. Fair play. Sure why bother with this silly hospitality business at all in future.

You’d swear it was life or death stuff. Buy some bacon now tomorrow instead of that take away Americano.

hotmail.com

Fils wrote: »

We are as a country getting obsessed with indoor dining. Is anyone cooking some spuds and bacon anymore?

People want indoor drinking first and foremost.

Dr. Bre

Fils wrote: »

You’d swear it was life or death stuff. Buy some bacon now tomorrow instead of that take away Americano.

Sure only a couple of jobs at stake

munster87

Dr. Bre wrote: »

Sure only a couple of jobs at stake

You’d know their own isn’t

hotmail.com

munster87 wrote: »

You’d know their own isn’t

A substantial minority of the country dislike and never go to pubs in this country anyway.

Seeing people out drinking and socialising drives them mad at the best of times.

Leftwaffe

UK beginning to turn the corner. Could spell the end for Dr. Tony.

Wolf359f

Dr. Bre wrote: »

Well it knows when you have ordered a meal in a pub

No it doesn't as you know. It's how we separate a pub from a restaurant, without banning consumption of alcohol on the premises (that would show a restaurant from a pub easily)

The same lines get trotted out:
Covid know's when you're less than 2 meters away.
Covid is safe for 14 minutes but not after 15 mins etc...
They are guidelines, people find loopholes to exploit them.

How would you separate a pub from a restaurant?