Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII Read OP For Mod Warnings

bear1 · 29-06-2021 2:10pm

So the government were given an optimist version as well and decided on the pessimistic version.
Is this a bad episode of the Simpsons?

God help that industry when it's pissing raining outside and not a soul to serve.

Dr. Bre · 29-06-2021 2:11pm

Open up now !

Doctor Jimbob · 29-06-2021 2:11pm

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

People need to calm down a bit.

The politicians are taking the correct medical guidance and advice and factoring that into the opening up schedule. That’s how it should be and I wouldn’t want the politicians doing solo runs.

I assume you have sources to back up the idea that our medical advice which seems to go against the rest of Europe and much of the world is correct?

ELM327 · 29-06-2021 2:11pm

Fils wrote: »

We just need to get everyone to hang tough for another few weeks. Nphet asks are small.

Just 14 days to flatten the curve

Tacitus Kilgore · 29-06-2021 2:12pm

titan18 wrote: »

Tbf, there were people pro restrictions who are now anti this stuff and that group is growing all the time (probably massively today). Anywhere online I'm seeing (here, Reddit, twitter etc) think this is sh1t today is ridiculous.

Aye, to be fair - myself included, only since 1pm today admittedly - I honestly don't think this plan will be kept, it's way too cautious, and quite nonsensical.

Something about how this is being handled today is quite interesting -

Step 1. make todays announcement - include no date for indoor dining
2. wait for guaranteed backlash that cannot be ignored
3. provide new date for indoor dining beyond the original july date

Beechwoodspark · 29-06-2021 2:12pm

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

I assume you have sources to back up the idea that our medical advice which seems to go against the rest of Europe and much of the world is correct?

I’m not a public health medical expert nor are the politicians

Richard Hillman · 29-06-2021 2:12pm

NPHETs model was to basically multiply the January surge by 3. That's it. That's all they did. Multiply by 3. Create a chart on Excel. Send to government. That's it. That's all they did.

Ellie2008 · 29-06-2021 2:12pm

Fils wrote: »

We just need to get everyone to hang tough for another few weeks. Nphet asks are small.

If you don’t own or work in a restaurant or pub…..You’ve heard of tourist season I assume….

MOH · 29-06-2021 2:12pm

namloc1980 wrote: »

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Just so it's clear - won't open on the 19th either per MM but we'll have a "plan". WE'VE HAD MONTHS FOR A PLAN!!

Ah now in fairness we've had two plans already. The first one which was out of date the day it was announced (and which Leo claimed later failed because they weren't aware of the possibility of a virus having variants). And the second one which had zero concrete detail in it apart from a couple of travel-related bits.

Considering how long it took to get the Covid app working, and to sort out the legalities around mandatory hotel quarantine, this suggestion of yet another plan is effectively telling hospitality owners to burn down their premises, claim the insurance, and emigrate.

funnydoggy · 29-06-2021 2:13pm

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

I’m not a public health medical expert nor are the politicians

Going by their latest projection, it appears NPHET are no longer either.

namloc1980 · 29-06-2021 2:14pm

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

People need to calm down a bit.

The politicians are taking the correct medical guidance and advice and factoring that into the opening up schedule. That’s how it should be and I wouldn’t want the politicians doing solo runs.

NPHET are projecting that we will have cases and deaths in the next 8 weeks per capita multiples times that India suffered from their delta wave and it's been accepted without any discussion or challenge.

Why are weddings and hotels safe for indoors but not restaurants?

titan18 · 29-06-2021 2:14pm

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

I’m not a public health medical expert nor are the politicians

Cool, I'll go with the UK, US, German (insert any other countries) experts over the Irish ones then.

Avon8 · 29-06-2021 2:14pm

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

People need to calm down a bit.

The politicians are taking the correct medical guidance and advice and factoring that into the opening up schedule. That’s how it should be and I wouldn’t want the politicians doing solo runs.

The guidance is at odds with the guidance being given in the vast majority of countries throughout the world

We have sparsely educated medical professionals on a power trip, actively ignoring evidence from other countries

Doctor Jimbob · 29-06-2021 2:14pm

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

I’m not a public health medical expert nor are the politicians

Then how do you know the advice is correct?

bear1 · 29-06-2021 2:15pm

I believe lads we've just witnessed the end of this government today.

Beechwoodspark · 29-06-2021 2:15pm

Don’t shoot the messenger

normanoffside · 29-06-2021 2:15pm

Hellrazer wrote: »

Too small - there needs to be hundreds of thousands to get anywhere.

Starting today is starting somewhere. It could grow into something big by the weekend.

Scuid Mhór · 29-06-2021 2:16pm

bear1 wrote: »

I believe lads we've just witnessed the end of this government today.

You think FG is going to withdraw?

TomTomTim · 29-06-2021 2:16pm

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

I assume you have sources to back up the idea that our medical advice which seems to go against the rest of Europe and much of the world is correct?

Factless medical advice, isn't very good medical advice. You'll find insane conspiracy theories on YouTube with more supporting evidence.

PaulJoseph22 · 29-06-2021 2:17pm

bear1 wrote: »

I believe lads we've just witnessed the end of this government today.

I have to agree with you, I refuse to listen to them anymore, have they never heard of forward planning.
They are an absolute disgrace. Miceal the wannabe PM and Leo who still thinks he is the PM.

Normal One · 29-06-2021 2:17pm

bear1 wrote: »

I believe lads we've just witnessed the end of this government today.

I sincerely hope so

corcaigh07 · 29-06-2021 2:18pm

bear1 wrote: »

I believe lads we've just witnessed the end of this government today.

Hope so but the system is the bigger problem.

Sofa King Great · 29-06-2021 2:18pm

namloc1980 wrote: »

NPHET are projecting that we will have cases and deaths in the next 8 weeks per capita multiples times that India suffered from their delta wave and it's been accepted without any discussion or challenge.

Why are weddings and hotels safe for indoors but not restaurants?

What you are forgetting here is that most of our old and vulnerable are vaccinated whereas they weren't in India. This surely means the effective rate as a percentage of the population is even higher as it is among a far smaller cohort.

This shouldn't be allowed go unchallenged

thomil · 29-06-2021 2:18pm

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

People need to calm down a bit.

The politicians are taking the correct medical guidance and advice and factoring that into the opening up schedule. That’s how it should be and I wouldn’t want the politicians doing solo runs.

I'd like to have whatever you're smoking!

For what it's worth, I'm probably one of the most rabid pro-vaccination people you'll find on this platform, and yes that includes supporting mandatory vaccinations and extra benefits for vaccinated people, but even for me, it's blindingly obvious that the government and NPHET acted out of a place of fear and panic, and the people, mostly in the hospitality sector, are paying the price!

There is a psychological aspect to this whole situation as well, something that the both the government and NPHET are completely ignoring, at their own peril, I might add. A lot of people in this country were already at breaking point, me included. There needs to be an end visible to people, some tangible sign of relief and if you keep stringing them along for too long, people will break!

Dempo1 · 29-06-2021 2:18pm

There's been a lot of focus on Hospitality but really important to mention, this also affects numerous other businesses and staff.

Sadler Peak · 29-06-2021 2:18pm

bear1 wrote: »

I believe lads we've just witnessed the end of this government today.

The end of MM anyway.

MOH · 29-06-2021 2:19pm

Tony Holohan pictured earlier today

franciscanpunk · 29-06-2021 2:19pm

Obv i think the way we've handled restrictions to date is a joke, im embarrassed at our so called test events, our silly closing times and our general fear promoted agenda but if today is the start of a message to say get vaccinated and life can resume, don't get vaccinated and restrictions will continue for you i'm ok with it. indoor dining was just the oppurtunity to do this.

I think indoor dining should have opened for everyone today as it was going to be restricted tables of 6, table service, tracing bla bla bla so that's enough of a risk mitigant but id be much happier if they said open as per Feb 2020 to all fully vaccinated.

I think it would be fair to say you like many others are concerned more about the vaccinated and non vaccinated distinction and civil liberties issues, not the indoor dining itself - I get the point but simply just don't agree, my opinion is that get fully vaxed and back to life(obv i dont want restictions on anyone not vaccinated due medical reasons they cant do so).

Just to add, if restrictions maintain after the vaccine programme ends(demand ceases) then it would be time for some of mass protests\disobedience i see so many twitter talking about!

(maybe my view is reactionary but I'm just saying what I think)

PTH2009 · 29-06-2021 2:19pm

Laughing stock

Why is the virus more deadlier in Ireland

PaulJoseph22 · 29-06-2021 2:19pm

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

People need to calm down a bit.

The politicians are taking the correct medical guidance and advice and factoring that into the opening up schedule. That’s how it should be and I wouldn’t want the politicians doing solo runs.

Is this the same science that said AZ and J&J was not suitable for the younger population but now is.
They’re making it up as they go along. A primary school class would do a better job.

bear1 · 29-06-2021 2:20pm

Scuid Mhór wrote: »

You think FG is going to withdraw?

I think you know what I mean but I believe you know that.

RobitTV · 29-06-2021 2:21pm

I'm so proud of our hero!

https://twitter.com/IrlCovid19/status/1409829349759541250

melekalikimaka · 29-06-2021 2:21pm

bloopy wrote: »

No indoor dining without vaccine or proof of previous infection.
Covid parties about to become all the rage.

Natural Selection

lemonkey · 29-06-2021 2:21pm

I'm 29 and I am vaccinated as I am deemed high risk. Not a single one of my friends are vaccinated due to my age and neither is my partner. What fecking good is this ''vaccinated only'' thing to anyone under 40?

I can go to a wedding and eat with my partner indoors with 50 other people.
I can book a hotel and drink and eat in the residence bar for the night with a full hotel of people.
But if I book a small restaurant with adequate social distanced tables I'm allowed inside and my partner is not.

I understand there well may be a good reason for this extension but they're not helping themselves at all by making a complete balls of it and making it impossible for anyone to get their heads around.

irishguitarlad · 29-06-2021 2:22pm

As an irish man living abroad and looking in, the government have lost the plot.

FileNotFound · 29-06-2021 2:22pm

bear1 wrote: »

I believe lads we've just witnessed the end of this government today.

Probably not - but I do think this is turning into a farce of epic proportions.

The discussion around letting vaccinated people have more freedom was raised months back and only now are they making a plan.

Fair enough the UK have slowed full reopening - emphasis on full there.

People are just going to meet in each others homes now.

Dempo1 · 29-06-2021 2:22pm

Sadler Peak wrote: »

The end of MM anyway.

Perhaps but just wondering what's the current alternative, opposition parties will blow hot and cold and independents (well I'll say no more)

When it comes to the crunch, there's very little appetite to go against public health advice and I honestly believe this goes back to what happened after last Christmas. I'm not saying I agree or disagree, just saying very little political appetite for a different direction.

titan18 · 29-06-2021 2:23pm

bear1 wrote: »

I believe lads we've just witnessed the end of this government today.

We all wish that was the case, but it won't happen. Even if half their TDs disagree with it, they're not surrendering their pay packets. Sh1ts only care about themselves, not us.

FileNotFound · 29-06-2021 2:23pm

lemonkey wrote: »

I'm 29 and I am vaccinated as I am deemed high risk. Not a single one of my friends are vaccinated due to my age and neither is my partner. What fecking good is this ''vaccinated only'' thing to anyone under 40?

I can go to a wedding and eat with my partner indoors with 50 other people.
I can book a hotel and drink and eat in the residence bar for the night with a full hotel of people.
But if I book a small restaurant with adequate social distanced tables I'm allowed inside and my partner is not.

I understand there well may be a good reason for this extension but they're not helping themselves at all by making a complete balls of it and making it impossible for anyone to get their heads around.

Lets be honest its not intended for you at all - you got an early shot for the right reason.

I would have been happy enough for them to give greater freedoms to fully vaccinated but that should have been discussed and the plan in place months back.

RobitTV · 29-06-2021 2:23pm

Vaccines have broken the link between Covid cases and hospitalisations.

But our link with the Irish people shall never be broken.

We will manage your risk. We will make your choices. All for a safer Ireland.

Red Silurian · 29-06-2021 2:24pm

bear1 wrote: »

I believe lads we've just witnessed the end of this government today.

I personally hope you're correct but who do you think will pull the plug? There were 93 votes in favour of Micheal Martin in June last year (FF-37, FG-35, G-12, Ind 9) so we would need at least 13 of them to defect and hope that no other politician supports these measures

Again I hope you're right but I don't see it

gozunda · 29-06-2021 2:24pm

leahyl wrote: »

The question has still not been answered though - why are we still under these restrictions when 70% of the population has had at least one dose of the vaccine? We have been told for the last 16 months that our only way out of all this was a vaccine - we have 4 different vaccines!! And don’t anybody say “the delta variant” cos the vaccines are effective against that variant also. It’s just baffling; restaurants know what they need to do in terms of Covid guidelines for dining indoors, don’t treat them like children.

You may wish to check your figures btw.
Currently, 41% of the population are fully vaccinated while 65% have had at least one dose of vaccine.

The problem with one dose is that those unvaccinated or who have had only one dose at most at risk from the Covid delta variant

Delta is moderately resistant to vaccines, particularly in people who have received just a single dose. A Public Health England study published on 22 May found that a single dose of either AstraZeneca's or Pfizer's vaccine reduced a person’s risk of developing COVID-19 symptoms caused by the Delta variant by 33%, compared to 50% for the Alpha variant. A second dose of the AstraZeneca vaccine boosted protection against Delta to 60% (compared to 66% against Alpha), while two doses of Pfizer’s jab were 88% effective (compared to 93% against Alpha).

delricyo · 29-06-2021 2:24pm

Any clarification on cinemas and theatres? Are these going to be shut for the next 2 weeks now?

SEPT 23 1989 · 29-06-2021 2:24pm

will Tony be on later this evening to defend this?

Deusexmachina · 29-06-2021 2:27pm

Irish Times Headline today:

NPHET More than 2,000 could die from Covid in September.

Its a pity they don't print The Irish Times on smaller, softer and more absorbent 3 ply sheets.

funnydoggy · 29-06-2021 2:28pm

Deusexmachina wrote: »

Irish Times Headline today:

NPHET More than 2,000 could die from Covid in September.

Its a pity they don't print The Irish Times on smaller, softer and more absorbent 3 ply sheets.

Then there'd be two asshóles on the front page :P

keno-daytrader · 29-06-2021 2:29pm

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

will Tony be on later this evening to defend this?

No, we didnt elect Premier Tony

Salvation Tambourine · 29-06-2021 2:29pm

bear1 wrote: »

I believe lads we've just witnessed the end of this government today.

And replaced by others who have not challenged the government and NPHET? The vast majority of them are spineless. So hard to vote for any one of these.

Necro · 29-06-2021 2:29pm

bucketybuck's threadban lifted after discussion with poster

francogarbanzo · 29-06-2021 2:30pm

gozunda wrote: »

You may wish to check your figures btw.
Currently, 41% of the population are fully vaccinated while 65% have had at least one dose of vaccine.

The problem with one dose is that those unvaccinated or who have had only one dose at most at risk from the Covid delta variant

You sure?

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII Read OP For Mod Warnings