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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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  • Registered Users Posts: 12,623 ✭✭✭✭ bear1


    Wanted to come home on the 11th for two weeks, I was even prepared to pay for the stupid PCR tests even though I'm fully vaccinated.
    Still undecided if I should bother with the b&b in Donegal or just say **** it and go north.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Drumpot wrote: »
    People keep acting as though this is a very simple thing to manage and Ireland is the only country in the world to make mistakes or be overly cautious. People select tidbits from other countries as it suits the point they want to make, but every country is generally trying to find its own way to manage this.

    Ireland is the only country in Europe, the middle east and north Africa where cafes and bars are prohibited from operating indoors.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,942 ✭✭✭ MOR316


    SusanC10 wrote: »
    Does this mean kids (none of whom are vaccinated) can't go to the cinema?

    Have no clue... I'm sure they don't either.

    If it does, best keep them home from school to eh?

    Farce


  • Registered Users Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭ gozunda


    b0nk1e wrote: »
    Just cancelled a long weekend in Kerry next month (€285) and a five-night stay in Donegal (€750) around the August Bank Holiday.

    That's over a thousand euro - without a bite of food or a pint of stout drunk - the Government has just taken from small businesses in its jurisdiction and sent to northern Ireland instead.

    This will be happening up and down the country today. The worst Taoiseach in the history of the state: a toxic combination of scared and spiteful which is going to take generations to recover from.

    OK. Your choice I've similar booked and regardless I'm going and have no thought of cancelling either.

    I know for a fact I will still be served as much alcohol as I like and can eat out without problem. And yes I know that's outdoors but nothing I haven't done in previous years tbh. And I'll be supporting small business as well.


  • Registered Users Posts: 17,970 ✭✭✭✭ Drumpot


    Anyone who goes out and votes in the next election should really ask why they even bother. Politics in this country is in dire straits, a huge shake up needs to happen and get some actual leadership back into our political parties. What's happening at the moment in this country is crazy and not one person from any of the main parties even questioning it. Stuck in never ending lockdown with the debt piling up, every other country opening up and nobody in politics or mainstream media really putting the pressure on and asking why??

    I honestly don't understand it at all, but the worst of it is there isn't one electable party that I'd look at and think could do better.

    I remember the same in the late 00s after the financial crash. Amazing how I never see anybody in these forums stop and ask how much of the responsibility of these parties goes on the people who vote for them ? Why do we keep getting the same politicians, but just in different parties ?

    The first part of fixing an issue is looking at your role in the problem. Politicians in this country mirror the people. Until the people start looking at their own values, voting for a different party wont make any difference.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 15,362 ✭✭✭✭ Spanish Eyes


    Is the Dail bar and restaurant open indoors for the poor crathurs meeting down the docks? I suppose they are getting sambos and drinks delivered so they can scoff them outdoors on the banks of the Liffey.

    I hope they are not eating and drinking inside. Does anyone know?


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    gozunda wrote: »
    OK. I've similar booked and regardless I'm going and have no thought of cancelling either.

    I know for a fact I will still be served as much alcohol as I like and can eat out without problem. And yes I know that's outdoors but nothing I haven't done in previous years tbh.


    Good stuff.

    Enjoy yourself.

    I don't know how much you've spent on it, but you must earn more than me if you can afford to gamble a thousand euro on it not raining. In Ireland.


  • Registered Users Posts: 278 ✭✭ RavenBea17b


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    You sure?

    What isn't included in the screenshot is -:
    They tested positive and passed away - not necessary of COVID. They will have tested positive within 28 days of passing away and not had COVID anymore.
    Clarity if anything is needed from the figures.
    No information of ages or any other known illness, how ill they may have been already prior etc.

    Bit like something that was circulating from an anti vac tweet - headline something like person foot 'exploding' after Pfizer jab - what wasn't mentioned was that person had already lost one foot and had toes amputated from the other foot - due diabetic complications and was already set to lose the remaining part of the toes etc.

    As for AZ and J&J. They, along with all the vaccines are designed to reduce and stop serious Covid, ensuring hospitals are not overwhelmed. AZ is known to be a slow burner, the second jab is key -as are all 2 injection vaccines.

    Pfizer 96% stop hospital and serious Covid, AZ 92-93% on the last data release, -it's a ongoing situation, more data comes as the vaccinations and live updates come up.
    The mixing of vaccines has been and continues to be reviewed. Mixing AZ and Pfizer looks very promising - AZ giving those all important and long term T cells, Pfizer the antibodies.

    As the vaccinations increase, we will see more people be able to go out and enjoy life as much as possible. It feels particular tough now, but Delta is so very transmissible. Covid is here for good, we will all be living with it in one form or another. Boosters will be the norm.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,335 ✭✭✭ Royale with Cheese


    b0nk1e wrote: »
    Ireland is the only country in Europe, the middle east and north Africa where cafes and bars are prohibited from operating indoors.

    And probably the country with the worst climate in all those regions too.


  • Registered Users Posts: 855 ✭✭✭ FlubberJones


    Drumpot wrote: »
    True but I would still class them as higher risk then cinemas. I think this is part of the confusion that has caused issues. Its not completely clear how different industries are being rated in terms of risk.

    But I feel this is basically a risk assessment, the government are trying to manage opening up the economy in a manner that serves the most but keeps the risk lower while we vaccinate.

    I understand publicans and owners of restaurants finding this very very hard and being extremely unhappy about it. But it makes sense when you look at it from a broad sense of what is worth a risk and what is not. People keep acting as though this is a very simple thing to manage and Ireland is the only country in the world to make mistakes or be overly cautious. People select tidbits from other countries as it suits the point they want to make, but every country is generally trying to find its own way to manage this. But equally every country is not facing the exact same issues. Every country doesn't have the same health service , so comparing like for like is wrong.

    They are all facing COVID though, some with more success / confidence than others... this county is spineless and has so many inherent issues it needs more and more time to try and do something that will look even the remotely successful... I'm not buying your comment one bit


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,728 ✭✭✭ blowitupref


    Communions and Confirmations that was planned for early July are off but weddings with guests of 50 people can proceed. Where is the logic in allowing one over the other?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,872 ✭✭✭ TomTomTim


    gozunda wrote: »
    OK. I've similar booked and regardless I'm going and have no thought of cancelling either.

    I know for a fact I will still be served as much alcohol as I like and can eat out without problem. And yes I know that's outdoors but nothing I haven't done in previous years tbh.


    You live in Ireland, not Spain. I was in Donegal last week, the weather was hell. You would of been a mad man to even try and eat or drink outside. Making publicans rely on good weather in Ireland to make money, is a cruel financial gamble.

    “The man who lies to himself can be more easily offended than anyone else. You know it is sometimes very pleasant to take offense, isn't it? A man may know that nobody has insulted him, but that he has invented the insult for himself, has lied and exaggerated to make it picturesque, has caught at a word and made a mountain out of a molehill--he knows that himself, yet he will be the first to take offense, and will revel in his resentment till he feels great pleasure in it.”- ― Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov




  • Registered Users Posts: 11,561 ✭✭✭✭ titan18


    Communions and Confirmations that was planned for early July are off but weddings with guests of 50 people can proceed. Where is the logic in allowing one over the other?

    Wouldn't suprise me if someone in NPHET or the government is getting married and wants 50 people.


  • Registered Users Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭ gozunda


    b0nk1e wrote: »
    Good stuff.

    Enjoy yourself.

    I don't know how much you've spent on it, but you must earn more than me if you can afford to gamble a thousand euro on it not raining. In Ireland.

    Not gambling anything tbh. Mainly because my accommodation is funnily enough inside and most of the places I've planned to eat or drink in now have some form of covered outdoor facilities. And as I said most of that is fek all different to what I have done in previous years.


  • Registered Users Posts: 16,791 ✭✭✭✭ Busi_Girl08


    Communions and Confirmations that was planned for early July are off but weddings with guests of 50 people can proceed. Where is the logic in allowing one over the other?

    Because the virus loves bouncy castles in front gardens. :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,573 ✭✭✭ Northernlily


    Us Irish, we take a lot. We do what needs to be done and get on with it. I think today however could have tipped the balance to people saying enough. Time will tell.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,665 ✭✭✭ Fann Linn


    Message for young people appears to be get infected as you wont be getting the vaccine before the end of summer if you want to socialise. PCR not a guarantee of getting off the island either if Nphet have their way according to Donnelly at 1.00 today.


  • Registered Users Posts: 358 ✭✭ eastie17


    Its so ****ing illogical at this stage it defies the logic of how we normally determine things that are illogical.

    Stayed in a hotel last week in Mayo, 160 people staying they told me at reception so naturally dining and the bar was full with table service both nights. But COVID wouldn't get any of us because we weren't doing the indoor dining and drinking in a pub.
    If we had gone down the road and managed to illegally drink in a public house, COVID would have had a field day. We'd have been riddled


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,992 ✭✭✭ giveitholly




  • Registered Users Posts: 922 ✭✭✭ Real Donald Trump


    Is the Dail bar and restaurant open indoors for the poor crathurs meeting down the docks? I suppose they are getting sambos and drinks delivered so they can scoff them outdoors on the banks of the Liffey.

    I hope they are not eating and drinking inside. Does anyone know?

    Saw Tony stumbling out there the last day, looks like he had a fair scatter, big booze hound head on him too.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 426 ✭✭ PaulJoseph22


    Communions and Confirmations that was planned for early July are off but weddings with guests of 50 people can proceed. Where is the logic in allowing one over the other?

    There is no logic, no planning, no forethought, just make it up as they go along.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,988 ✭✭✭ FileNotFound


    What isn't included in the screenshot is -:
    They tested positive and passed away - not necessary of COVID. They will have tested positive within 28 days of passing away and not had COVID anymore.
    Clarity if anything is needed from the figures.
    No information of ages or any other known illness, how ill they may have been already prior etc.

    Bit like something that was circulating from an anti vac tweet - headline something like person foot 'exploding' after Pfizer jab - what wasn't mentioned was that person had already lost one foot and had toes amputated from the other foot - due diabetic complications and was already set to lose the remaining part of the toes etc.

    As for AZ and J&J. They, along with all the vaccines are designed to reduce and stop serious Covid, ensuring hospitals are not overwhelmed. AZ is known to be a slow burner, the second jab is key -as are all 2 injection vaccines.

    Pfizer 96% stop hospital and serious Covid, AZ 92-93% on the last data release, -it's a ongoing situation, more data comes as the vaccinations and live updates come up.
    The mixing of vaccines has been and continues to be reviewed. Mixing AZ and Pfizer looks very promising - AZ giving those all important and long term T cells, Pfizer the antibodies.

    As the vaccinations increase, we will see more people be able to go out and enjoy life as much as possible. It feels particular tough now, but Delta is so very transmissible. Covid is here for good, we will all be living with it in one form or another. Boosters will be the norm.


    Good point - better question would be how many vaccinated have ended up on ventilators in the UK, now given that vaccine efficacy is only 50-60% I am sure there will be some but statistically significant?


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭ ninebeanrows


    Ray Darcy towing the RTE /pro government line.

    It's cringe.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,581 ✭✭✭ dirkmeister


    Ray D’Arcy comparing the closure extension to the smoking ban.

    Says being an “outlier is often a good thing”


  • Registered Users Posts: 398 ✭✭ BigMo1




  • Registered Users Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭ ninebeanrows


    Ray D’Arcy comparing the closure extension to the smoking ban.

    Says being an “outlier is often a good thing”

    'You never know where a variant is going to come from'


    Says it all really.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,561 ✭✭✭✭ titan18



    Hopefully people turn up. I'd be doubtful though


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,455 ✭✭✭ Beanybabog


    Fann Linn wrote: »
    Message for young people appears to be get infected as you wont be getting the vaccine before the end of summer if you want to socialise. PCR not a guarantee of getting off the island either if Nphet have their way according to Donnelly at 1.00 today.

    Or… the vaccines they said weren’t safe for young
    People are now safe. Or at least they don’t care if they’re safe or not. So take one and get to do stuff, or sit at home again until October


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,598 ✭✭✭ JDxtra


    Moving goal posts all the time will not encourage the undecided to get vaccinated.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,746 ✭✭✭ Jinglejangle69


    Ray D’Arcy comparing the closure extension to the smoking ban.

    Says being an “outlier is often a good thing”

    500k a year.

    Has his salary been affected?

    Has it ****.

    We have dimwits in top jobs in this country.

    I feel like I'm in the Truman show today.

    It's surreal.


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