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San Francisco 49ers Discussion

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  • Posts: 5,369 [Deleted User]


    I see. Would you take it? Hes 37


  • Registered Users Posts: 320 ✭✭myate


    Absolutely without even thinking much about it! He's still in his prime, makes no bones about not being 100% happy in GB, and is from an hour up the road in Chico. Finally the home boy comes back after getting stiffed in the draft in 2005. Niners are Superbowl ready, so is Rodgers. As the Cohn's said he does come with baggage! Worth watching on Youtube to see what if scenarios!! Whoever we take at no.3 is going to be a risk. Rodgers isn't.
    Then I would have also taken Tom Brady last year!


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 16,139 Mod ✭✭✭✭adrian522


    What' all this about? Does anyone have a link?


  • Registered Users Posts: 320 ✭✭myate




  • Registered Users Posts: 2,127 ✭✭✭cosatron


    packers fan here, come in peace. The problem in GB is that you have a pair of alpha males who won't back down. Rodgers wants to retire in GB and play as long as he wants and be paid, then in the other corner you have a GM who felt that Rodgers was on the way out(after a couple of poor seasons by his standards) and draft a project QB that will be ready to step in a couple of years but Rodgers had a MVP season and is looking for an extension with more money and the GM wants to have a year to year wait and see approach as his afraid he would be made look foolish cause he wasted a pick on Jordan Love. Its poor torture listening to the media making wild speculation, personally, i think Rodgers and Green Bay will see out his existing contract and go there separate ways after that but if they extend the contract i would be over the moon.
    Mel Kiper did his mock draft and has ye picking Mac Jones, Adrian522 will be delighted.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 320 ✭✭myate


    @cosatron - nice to hear from the GB side. All I hear/listen to indepth is Niner stuff in the offseason! As much as Rodgers to the Niners (any year) would be good, aint gonna happen once we draft a QB at 3.


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 16,139 Mod ✭✭✭✭adrian522




  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 16,139 Mod ✭✭✭✭adrian522


    There is no intel or source or reasoning behind anything he says, he's just flinging mud at a wall.

    Rodgers is 38. And the 49ers are going to give up what 3 firsts, a third and JG (which is at least a 2nd ) for him?

    And this automatically = super bowl wins? How? He has one precisely one super bowl his entire career.

    It would be a pass from me on that deal to be honest. They'd be back looking for a QB in 2 or 3 years time.

    @cosatron I read a lot of mock drafts, all the Jones to SF is based on a few people speculating that Shanahan wants a carbon copy of Kirk Cousins, it doesn't make sense to me, hence by bet on Fields to SF. They almost always say, I don't agree with this but...or whatever. None of them know what Shanahan will do, he's told no one and we recently saw Schefter row back on his comments around Jones, so I think it's still up in the air.
    To me Fields makes the most sense. Jones is not enough of an upgrade over JG for a trade like that.


  • Posts: 5,369 [Deleted User]


    adrian522 wrote: »
    They'd be back looking for a QB in 2 or 3 years time.

    with reduced draft picks to boot


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,156 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    adrian522 wrote: »
    Grant Cohn = igonre.

    This was my first thought when I saw the name. The biggest hot take merchant out there


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  • Registered Users Posts: 320 ✭✭myate


    Foxtrol wrote: »
    This was my first thought when I saw the name. The biggest hot take merchant out there


    Right now he'll say anything to get clicks...and its easy with all the speculation!


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,156 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    Probably the most we'll see of the Fields workout.

    https://twitter.com/NBCS49ers/status/1382405210929127424?s=20


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 16,139 Mod ✭✭✭✭adrian522


    I'm convinced!


  • Posts: 5,369 [Deleted User]


    ok, ok thats nice. Some good throws.


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 16,139 Mod ✭✭✭✭adrian522




  • Registered Users Posts: 11,156 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    Fields gone to favourite now, from +225 a few days ago to -120. I don't think it says much at all, the markets were so wrong on Stafford - it doesnt take much to move them.

    Hype was always likely to shift as soon as Field's pro day happened and NFL folk got to see the 49ers watching him - Lance will get a bump next week.

    I doubt anyone knows more about who Kyle will pick today than they did yesterday but the quote from the division rival says it all. It sounds like they're all praying for Jones to be the pick.


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 16,139 Mod ✭✭✭✭adrian522


    Foxtrol wrote: »
    Fields gone to favourite now, from +225 a few days ago to -120. I don't think it says much at all, the markets were so wrong on Stafford - it doesnt take much to move them.

    Hype was always likely to shift as soon as Field's pro day happened and NFL folk got to see the 49ers watching him - Lance will get a bump next week.

    I doubt anyone knows more about who Kyle will pick today than they did yesterday but the quote from the division rival says it all. It sounds like they're all praying for Jones to be the pick.

    Yeah, it's all one big echo chamber at the moment.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,156 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    So someone went digging into Mac Jone's sister's tweets and found this with him tagged to it (an account that has since been scrubbed) :eek:

    Always tough to brand a player for actions when they were a young teenager but add this to the DUI and it is not a good look - especially if they end up picking him over what many, including most believe are far superior black players.

    Presume it won't last long before getting deleted shortly.

    https://twitter.com/sarahjaaneyy/status/263447691110010880?s=20


  • Posts: 5,369 [Deleted User]


    Foxtrol wrote: »
    So someone went digging into Mac Jone's sister's tweets and found this with him tagged to it (an account that has since been scrubbed) :eek:

    Always tough to brand a player for actions when they were a young teenager but add this to the DUI and it is not a good look - especially if they end up picking him over what many, including most believe are far superior black players.

    Presume it won't last long before getting deleted shortly.

    https://twitter.com/sarahjaaneyy/status/263447691110010880?s=20

    Link wont open for me but it doesnt matter, DUI - no thanks for me.

    And whats the angle with mentioning race? Rueben Foster mean anything?


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,156 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    Link wont open for me but it doesnt matter, DUI - no thanks for me.

    And whats the angle with mentioning race? Rueben Foster mean anything?

    The reason why I mentioned it was because the photo his sister tagged him isn't far off blackface - someone in a giant Obama mask with a sash saying 'Nobama'.

    No way to say it was McCorkle for definite but by his sister specifically tagging only him if it wasnt then she felt he would really, really enjoy the picture.

    As I said, it isn't something that should get him blacklisted but it is just another bit of baggage and reason why the pick would leave a bad taste for fans and likely players.


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  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 16,139 Mod ✭✭✭✭adrian522


    I'd say Bosa had some fairly problematic posts before he scrubbed everything too. I wouldn't like to see them draft Jones but this post wouldn't be the main reason depending on what he says about it obviously.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,156 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    adrian522 wrote: »
    I'd say Bosa had some fairly problematic posts before he scrubbed everything too. I wouldn't like to see them draft Jones but this post wouldn't be the main reason depending on what he says about it obviously.

    I was on the record here about being unsettled by some of Bosa's stuff and it wasn't as bad as that picture. Complete different situation though with a DL guy who was head and shoulders above his peers talent wise and this situation.

    Definitely not close to the main reason reason I'm against the potential pick but it another reason to add to the list.


  • Posts: 5,369 [Deleted User]


    Foxtrol wrote: »
    The reason why I mentioned it was because the photo his sister tagged him isn't far off blackface - someone in a giant Obama mask with a sash saying 'Nobama'.

    No way to say it was McCorkle for definite but by his sister specifically tagging only him if it wasnt then she felt he would really, really enjoy the picture.

    As I said, it isn't something that should get him blacklisted but it is just another bit of baggage and reason why the pick would leave a bad taste for fans and likely players.

    So we dont know if hes even in the picture? Whoever did that trawl was really getting desperate. Still, DUI and the 49ers is a no no from me


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,156 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    So we dont know if hes even in the picture? Whoever did that trawl was really getting desperate. Still, DUI and the 49ers is a no no from me

    I wouldn't say desperate at all, it is a standard practice for every big name draft prospect since social media became a thing. The reason why the 49ers even ended up with this pick is because Tunsil fell to the Dolphins due to the infamous gas mask video.

    The bigger surprise is that Jones' team did such a poor job of scrubbing it - especially when it appears they went the lazy nuclear route on his old account, all they had to do was search his mentions.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,156 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    Get ready for the Lance hype this week - his second pro day is today and apparently the 49ers have again designed a decent amount of it

    https://twitter.com/DanGrazianoESPN/status/1383961191353966601?s=20


  • Registered Users Posts: 320 ✭✭myate


    One week to go...not much more to say/see!
    Who do you think they pick, who you hope they pick, round 1 of course?
    Me...Lance & Lance.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,338 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    myate wrote: »
    One week to go...not much more to say/see!
    Who do you think they pick, who you hope they pick, round 1 of course?
    Me...Lance & Lance.

    The niners have the attention of the NFL world because picks 1 and 2 seem locked in and what the niners do at 3 will influence what other teams do and despite saying they don’t need to hide anymore or whatever the actual phrase was, they are throwing up some smoke screens. I mean you don’t move up to no 3 to fix some need that you can get in the later rounds.


  • Posts: 5,369 [Deleted User]


    I like fields.


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 16,139 Mod ✭✭✭✭adrian522


    I'm not sure they are throwing up smokescreens they just haven't said or leaked who they are taking. I hope it's Justin Fields I think he's the best prospect of the 3, I'd understand Lance but think he has the most bust potential (though maybe also the highest ceiling). Really hope they haven't given up all those picks for Jones.


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  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 16,139 Mod ✭✭✭✭adrian522


    Also, this would cause twitter to have a full blown meltdown:

    https://twitter.com/JFowlerESPN/status/1385283829292834816


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,338 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    adrian522 wrote: »
    I'm not sure they are throwing up smokescreens they just haven't said or leaked who they are taking. I hope it's Justin Fields I think he's the best prospect of the 3, I'd understand Lance but think he has the most bust potential (though maybe also the highest ceiling). Really hope they haven't given up all those picks for Jones.

    So fields, Lance, and Jones in that order then Adrian ? Well they’ve gone big for a reason and what I’ve seen and read about Lance, as you say he has the higher ceiling but he wasn’t exactly running a throw heavy offence last season but the overall system was a pro system.


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 16,139 Mod ✭✭✭✭adrian522


    Itssoeasy wrote: »
    So fields, Lance, and Jones in that order then Adrian ? Well they’ve gone big for a reason and what I’ve seen and read about Lance, as you say he has the higher ceiling but he wasn’t exactly running a throw heavy offence last season but the overall system was a pro system.

    Yeah, that would be my order of preference. One thing Lance does have going for him is that he has played under center a good deal more than the other QB's:

    https://twitter.com/LombardiHimself/status/1385315905912020992


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 16,139 Mod ✭✭✭✭adrian522




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,338 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    adrian522 wrote: »

    I was listening to a podcast from yesterday and the draft guy they had on said similar things to Mike silver but he added that some of the coaching staff apparently don’t know who the pick is of yesterday. That policy of tipping picks must be a post Mike mayock one.


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 16,139 Mod ✭✭✭✭adrian522


    The trade just makes no sense of they select Mac Jones.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,338 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    adrian522 wrote: »
    The trade just makes no sense of they select Mac Jones.

    Well we shall see Adrian. The latest nfl total access mock draft have the niners taking Mac Jones at no 3. Hopefully the eagles can make a good decision at 12.


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 16,139 Mod ✭✭✭✭adrian522


    Itssoeasy wrote: »
    Well we shall see Adrian. The latest nfl total access mock draft have the niners taking Mac Jones at no 3. Hopefully the eagles can make a good decision at 12.

    They could have traded with the eagles to move to 6 to guarantee the opportunity to select Mac Jones and that would have cost one future first round pick.

    If they select Mac Jones at 3 John Lynch should be on a very short leash. If San Francisco doesn't select Jones he will fall at least to 6 and probably out of the top 10.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,338 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    adrian522 wrote: »
    They could have traded with the eagles to move to 6 to guarantee the opportunity to select Mac Jones and that would have cost one future first round pick.

    If they select Mac Jones at 3 John Lynch should be on a very short leash. If San Francisco doesn't select Jones he will fall at least to 6 and probably out of the top 10.

    I just read a post from nbc sports Philadelphia where there seems to be talk about the eagles not ruling out moving back up to stop a CC lamb situation happening against and that they’d likely move up for Pitts or a QB which I’m sure Jalen hurts will love to hear. My point is if the eagles had stayed at 6 they’d have not had that worry.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,156 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    This last month since the trade has felt like a full seven month offseason - going from initial excitement to weeks of dread that they could be making a huge mistake, that could eventually mean we lose Kyle. I am so happy that we are nearly done and this will hopefully be my last rant before Thursday.

    My overall QB rankings go Lawrence >> Fields > Wilson >>> Lance >> Jones.

    I have Wilson and Fields very close but Wilson scares me due to his injury history, frame, and lack of playing under any real pressure.

    I think any of the 5 will succeed with the 49ers and whoever they draft should be favourite to win rookie of the year, presuming Jimmy is traded prior to the season. Though each have their flaws I am happy for the 49ers to take any of the first four having giving up the capital to make the trade... and then we have McCorkle Jones.

    Trading and taking Jones is like getting your wages for the month along with an advance of the next 2 months and betting it all on a 1/100 favourite in a three horse race - you're risking a lot for a small potential win, Jones' ceiling is lower than the ceiling of every other QB in the NFC West. Now this might still make sense if it was nearly unanimous from all experts that this horse is the best of the 3, however in this situation it is the opposite - practically every expert says Jones is the worst option. Not only are you gambling a huge amount for a low ceiling of returns - you're also betting that you are smarter than practically every other evaluator out there.

    There are few arguments that are trotted out for Jones that I just don't see. That he is the:
    • Best scheme fit - though Kyle can adjust his scheme to his QB, Jones hasn't shown key elements of what he has used historically - he barely took any snaps under center, rarely used boot action, and throwing on the run was a tiny part of their game. Wilson, Fields, and Lance all did more things that align to staples of Kyle's scheme.
    • Safest pick - we've seen over and over again in recent seasons how less mobile QB rookies struggle compared to those that move outside the pocket, especially when they don't have a top tier arm nor the ability to perform outside of structure. He also has the most red flags out of the QB group from trouble with the law (at least one DUI), bad physical shape, personality issues, inability to beat out a player who has hardly set the NFL on fire, social media issues, and inexperience (has as many games as Lance, who has been consistently dinged for this despite being 3 years older when he earned most of his starts).
    • Most pro ready - it is easy to look the most pro ready when you're in the perfect situation in Alabama - your feet look good and you can go through progressions when your OL is 9 out of 10 times going to each do everything perfectly to protect you, you can throw with anticipation when you have multiple 1st rounds WRs and a 1st round RB who nearly always win their 1 on 1s, you can have ridiculously high competition stats when the OC is scheming these talented players open and giving you a huge number of dump offs/screens. When Jones was taken away from all of this at the Senior Bowl (like he will be in the NFL), he struggled all week and in no way looked like a guy who should go at 3. When people say the most pro ready it seems like they really mean that he is the closest to his ceiling and this is what he'll be as a pro.

    Jones also flies in the face of what Kyle has claimed over the last few years. He said they looked at Stafford, Watson, hoped Josh Allen would come out in 2017, and had Russell Wilson on their board before Cousins. Just 3 weeks ago Kyle called it 'ridiculous' that Cousins is his prototype QB - the guy that most see as the best case future for Jones. Kyle said what he wants is a guy that can do those type of things but is also physically gifted and can run. Kyle has also shown that he is constantly learning on defense and implementing elements to their game of what has caused him problems as an OC. When you flip this around, what has killed the 49ers defense more than anything is guys that can make plays off script and move - like Wilson and Murray twice a year and then the likes of Allen, Mahomes, Jackson. The QBs his defense has had the most success against are those who are more limited when it comes to movement - like Goff.

    Having said all that, I have pretty much come to terms that it is pretty likely that Jones is the pick. Media noise has now started to give more specifics of elements that Kyle likes (e.g., Sliver and footwork) rather than just generic 'is like Cousins reasons'. If Jones is the pick I expect more of this to come out this week to try to get fans and media more onside with the pick 'making sense'. This move also fits Kyle's history of moving up for guys that he didn't need to and they have nearly all turned out badly (Foster, Williams, Pettis, Beathard). If Jones isn't picked at 3, it wouldn't be surprising if falls out of the top 10 - I don't see that for any of the other QBs. The final element that came into play in the last week that concerns me is Field's diagnosis of epilepsy - if Fields is taken off their board then I can understand there are enough issues, like accuracy, for Lance that could make a case for (though my order of preference would be take Lance or have never made the trade and potentially stick with Jimmy for the year if a QB wasn't on the board).

    If Jones is the pick then I'll obviously be supporting him but they better be sure he has the thickest skin and can handle pressure the pressure that is coming. I can't remember any pick this far in advance of a draft that was so widely hated by a fan base and local media - sure fans have been annoyed on draft night but this has been a consistent month of toxic bile and many don't even believe it is possible so worse is to come. The guy is probably the most hated QB in 49ers history and that is even before Goodell calls his name. Kyle and Lynch will have also in one swoop turned a massive element of the fanbase against them and I don't think there is an easy way back aside from a Super Bowl or Jones significantly outperforming both Fields and Lance.

    TL;DR Jones is a good QB prospect that would have some success as a 49er, I don't want it to be Jones at 3, it shouldn't be Jones at 3, it might be Jones at 3, god help Jones if he is picked at 3.

    Thank god this is nearly over :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,148 ✭✭✭letowski


    I sort of see the speculation surrounding the 49ers pick as just that, pure speculation. The GM and heads of the scouting departments don't just go around telling everybody in the building who they are going to pick.

    Like Ian Rapoport has a tweet out last night saying the '49ers are close in on their decision' ... like I'm sorry, the 49ers knew a month ago who exactly their Top 3 players were before trading for the 3rd overall pick. Like Jesus, does Ian honestly think Lynch is still trying to figure who to take 4 days for the draft, after trading all that capital.

    I know from following the Colts, with the Buckner trade, that was a very tight lipped trade that took both franchises by surprise. There are only a very small select few at the top of the 49ers organisation know what's going to happen on Thursday. And these guys take their jobs very seriously and don't go around chit-chatting in the hallway of who they are taking.


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  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 16,139 Mod ✭✭✭✭adrian522


    Rappaport and King both reporting that SF will select either Lance or Jones at number 3 overall.


  • Registered Users Posts: 320 ✭✭myate


    letowski wrote: »
    There are only a very small select few at the top of the 49ers organisation know what's going to happen on Thursday. And these guys take their jobs very seriously and don't go around chit-chatting in the hallway of who they are taking.


    They're called Lynch & Shanahan! Nobody else in that building knows. Jed might, but even that he's been hands off for a good few years now, thankfully! And this pick is all Shanahan's. If it goes the way of the pear (please god no) it could cost Lynch his job as Shanahan is way more valuable.


  • Registered Users Posts: 320 ✭✭myate


    Kyle & John presser just now. Not much in it really except the very last answer from kyle...something along the lines he’d like a Drew Brees that can run like Lamar!


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,156 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    The most interesting thing from the press conference was the tone - especially from Kyle. I have rarely seen him sound so frustrated. We can only guess what that means and confirmation bias could back up the opinion you already had - either he was annoyed because no one likes Jones and that is going to be his pick or annoyed that people think he is stupid enough to take Jones.

    Biggest take away is that they believe it is a competitive advantage for them not to leak the pick in advance of Thursday. If true then everything we're hearing has been rumour and potentially smokescreens.


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 16,139 Mod ✭✭✭✭adrian522


    Sounded very much like he was planning to take Jones and he was preparing the fan base for that pick.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,156 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    adrian522 wrote: »
    Sounded very much like he was planning to take Jones and he was preparing the fan base for that pick.

    I can definitely see that perspective but if there wasn't so much media hype that the pick is going to be Jones I don't think that press conference would tip Jones is the pick - especially not comments like 'You want to find Drew Brees who can move like Lamar Jackson', which is obviously not the player Jones is.

    A press conference that was prepping a fan base for that pick would have gone into details on how important a pocket passer is etc. Kyle's comments about different ways QBs can win and that they'll do what is best for the team are so generic that they could be said for whatever QB narrative was being pushed by the media. Closest thing I saw as a tip towards Jones is Lynch basically stating this is Kyle's choice, somewhat protecting himself for Thursday night.

    Their goal has been to keep everyone guessing and have succeeded to everyone's frustration, as even the media guys who have pushed Jones for weeks keep throwing in caveats so are far from certain (just look at the betting market at 3 compared to pick 2).


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 16,139 Mod ✭✭✭✭adrian522


    Schefter has been all over the map on this one.

    https://twitter.com/GetUpESPN/status/1387404020864671748?s=19


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 27,267 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    I can tell you over the weekend they did not know who they were going to take.

    I do not, for a second, believe that.

    They just won't tell him.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,156 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    adrian522 wrote: »
    Schefter has been all over the map on this one.

    https://twitter.com/GetUpESPN/status/1387404020864671748?s=19

    Impressive backpedaling and hedging there.

    If the pick isn't Jones there should be humble pie eating from a lot of the media. Some of them have been insufferable regarding fans questioning the vague support for the near certainty they portrayed for the last few weeks.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,338 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    Not a hope the niners didn’t know at all who they’ll take as of the weekend just gone. They may have more than one option and haven’t decided fully but even as a non niners fans you’d hope the team isn’t that of a mess.


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