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Vaccine Megathread - See OP for threadbans

  • 12-04-2021 6:32pm
    #1
    Beasty
    Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 77,497 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    Splitting between Testing and Vaccines

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  • #2
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,674 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Presser should be available on this twitter account should anyone not have access to a telly
    https://twitter.com/rtenews?s=21


  • #3
    degsie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,749 ✭✭✭degsie


    Second! :)


  • #4
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Very calm and clear interview on RTE with Prof. Staines from DCU with regards the impact on the rollout. He says the AZ vaccines are not going to be wasted as they can still be used on a significant number of people. There will be rearranging needed but it's important to remember AZ only accounts for one fifth of our supply.


  • #5
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,674 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Flying Fox wrote: »
    Very calm and clear interview on RTE with Prof. Staines from DCU with regards the impact on the rollout. He says the AZ vaccines are not going to be wasted as they can still be used on a significant number of people. There will be rearranging needed but it's important to remember AZ only accounts for one fifth of our supply.

    Lost me at Staines


  • #6
    Godot.
    Registered Users Posts: 528 ✭✭✭Godot.


    Flying Fox wrote: »
    Very calm and clear interview on RTE with Prof. Staines from DCU with regards the impact on the rollout. He says the AZ vaccines are not going to be wasted as they can still be used on a significant number of people. There will be rearranging needed but it's important to remember AZ only accounts for one fifth of our supply.

    Did he mention short term disruption? Will the target for this week be lower than expected as a result?


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  • #7
    Multipass
    Registered Users Posts: 1,678 ✭✭✭Multipass


    A bit of perspective on risk

    https://twitter.com/avinash/status/1381642880356261889?s=21


  • #8
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Multipass wrote: »
    A bit of perspective on risk

    https://twitter.com/avinash/status/1381642880356261889?s=21

    Riiiiight, but we're asking a demographic who basically have no chance of dying from Covid to spin the chamber on a vaccine to make them immune from the thing they need not fear. Voluntarily.

    How about that for perspective?


  • #9
    Multipass
    Registered Users Posts: 1,678 ✭✭✭Multipass


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Riiiiight, but we're asking a demographic who basically have no chance of dying from Covid to spin the chamber on a vaccine to make them immune from the thing they need not fear. Voluntarily.

    How about that for perspective?

    I agree that they basically have no risk from covid, this whole crisis is bollocks. But if vaccines are the only way we can get freedom, give me freedom asap, not hold firm for 10 more weeks while we wait for Pfizer.


  • #10
    funnydoggy
    Registered Users Posts: 2,065 ✭✭✭funnydoggy


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    Presser should be available on this twitter account should anyone not have access to a telly
    https://twitter.com/rtenews?s=21


    Sound buddy


  • #11
    Sanjuro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,239 ✭✭✭Sanjuro


    Just posting a reply to get that little tick on the icon in the thread list. 😊


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  • #12
    irishlad.
    Registered Users Posts: 213 ✭✭irishlad.


    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1cUZy6AMCwuA2zhtRuKK7cqMVgmhdDsGsZrFWJTkw9DY/edit#gid=502588836

    Cohort 3 has nearly 2/3rds of dose 1's given out.


  • #13
    Str8outtaWuhan
    Registered Users Posts: 968 ✭✭✭Str8outtaWuhan


    Hi all , neighbour 74 got her pfizer today, was chatting to her outside she was delighted and informed me she is getting the 2nd dose in 2 weeks!! I said are you sure and she went inside and showed me the date on the leaflet thing she got. Surely that interval isn't right?


  • #14
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,674 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    NIAC advice issued
    https://twitter.com/corksafetyalert/status/1381674072350846981?s=21


  • #15
    Apogee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,802 ✭✭✭Apogee


    irishlad. wrote: »
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1cUZy6AMCwuA2zhtRuKK7cqMVgmhdDsGsZrFWJTkw9DY/edit#gid=502588836

    Cohort 3 has nearly 2/3rds of dose 1's given out.

    If the CSO put the number of over 70s at 495,000, and the HSE have already given 107K dose 1's to Cohort 1, surely the HSE estimate of Cohort 3 is too high at 475,000?

    The vast majority of those in Cohort 1 must be over 70?


  • #16
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users Posts: 15,302 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    For those who've already had dose 1.

    So basically get the 2nd dose

    https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1381674103661285382?s=19


  • #17
    ddarcy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 580 ✭✭✭ddarcy


    Str8outtaWuhan wrote: »
    Hi all , neighbour 74 got her pfizer today, was chatting to her outside she was delighted and informed me she is getting the 2nd dose in 2 weeks!! I said are you sure and she went inside and showed me the date on the leaflet thing she got. Surely that interval isn't right?

    Supposed to be 3-4 weeks.


  • #18
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,674 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Advice:
    - Any authorised COVID-19 vaccine, including Vaxzevria COVID-19 vaccine AstraZeneca, is recommended for those aged 60 years and older including those with medical conditions with very high or high risk of severe COVID-19 disease.
    - Vaxzevria COVID-19 vaccine AstraZeneca is not recommended for those aged under 60 years including those with medical conditions with very high or high risk of severe COVID-19 disease.
    - A second dose of Vaxzevria COVID-19 vaccine AstraZeneca should not be given to anyone who developed unusual blood clots with low platelets after the first dose.
    - Advice for those who have received a first dose of Vaxzevria COVID-19 vaccine AstraZeneca is:

    Those aged 60 and older should receive their second dose 12 weeks later as scheduled.

    Those aged under 60 years with a very high risk or high-risk medical condition should receive their second dose 12 weeks later as scheduled.

    Those aged under 60 years without a very high risk or high-risk medical condition should have the scheduled interval between doses extended to 16 weeks to allow further assessment of the benefits and risks as more evidence becomes available.


  • #19
    funnydoggy
    Registered Users Posts: 2,065 ✭✭✭funnydoggy


    jesus christ


  • #20
    Miike
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭Miike


    funnydoggy wrote: »
    jesus christ

    I generally try to be positive but you're right. Jesus Christ.


  • #21
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Is the press conference running late?


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  • #22
    Doctor Jimbob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,657 ✭✭✭Doctor Jimbob


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Is the press conference running late?

    Is the pope a Catholic?


  • #23
    Rebelbrowser
    Registered Users Posts: 3,167 ✭✭✭Rebelbrowser


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Is the press conference running late?

    May have been replaced with a tweet! No sign of it anywhere


  • #24
    Str8outtaWuhan
    Registered Users Posts: 968 ✭✭✭Str8outtaWuhan


    ddarcy wrote: »
    Supposed to be 3-4 weeks.


    thought so, surely that totally decreases overall effectiveness


  • #25
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Great news. I didn't want the Asstrazeneca vaccine.


  • #26
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,674 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Great news. I didn't want the Asstrazeneca vaccine.

    Great news seeing the rollout likely delayed, pop the champagne


  • #27
    ddarcy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 580 ✭✭✭ddarcy


    Str8outtaWuhan wrote: »
    thought so, surely that totally decreases overall effectiveness

    It’s hand written on the card, so any easy mistake to be made. I believe optimal effectiveness is the 3-4 weeks. Maybe have her just do a quick double check to ensure. Ireland is running at 4 weeks interval. Then two weeks after that you’re fully vaccinated.


  • #28
    Stheno
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    Miike wrote: »
    I generally try to be positive but you're right. Jesus Christ.

    So basically "we don't recommend it for under 60s but if you've already recieved a dose and are not high risk, we're just going to push out your second dose, till we see if we have further info"?

    Even though they don't know if more than 12 weeks gap will cause issues?


  • #29
    Doctor Jimbob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,657 ✭✭✭Doctor Jimbob


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Great news. I didn't want the Asstrazeneca vaccine.

    Why does the fact you didn't want it mean it's great news that the rest of us won't get a choice?


  • #30
    Strazdas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,150 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    The 16 week gap with AZ seems to be just so they can keep an eye on what is happening with the vaccine elsewhere.


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  • #31
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    Why does the fact you didn't want it mean it's great news that the rest of us won't get a choice?

    It's great news for young people who were being asked to take an unnecessary risk. I already posted about this earlier.


  • #32
    Strazdas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,150 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Stheno wrote: »
    So basically "we don't recommend it for under 60s but if you've already recieved a dose and are not high risk, we're just going to push out your second dose, till we see if we have further info"?

    Even though they don't know if more than 12 weeks gap will cause issues?

    All we've heard about so far is the initial AZ dose causing blood clots. I guess they are going to keep a very close eye on the UK for the next couple of months to see if any issues are developing with the second dose.


  • #33
    vienne86
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,076 ✭✭✭✭vienne86


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Great news. I didn't want the Asstrazeneca vaccine.

    Bully for you.


  • #34
    Doctor Jimbob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,657 ✭✭✭Doctor Jimbob


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    It's great news for young people who were being asked to take an unnecessary risk. I already posted about this earlier.

    I missed the news that prior to this the AZ vaccine was going to be compulsory. Do you have a link to that?


  • #35
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users Posts: 15,302 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    AZ statement

    https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1381679923698491394?s=19


  • #36
    Beasty
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Great news. I didn't want the Asstrazeneca vaccine.

    Even better news for me - should push me a bit higher if they've a load of AZ vaccines to put into the arms of those of us who are 60 or older


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  • #37
    Degag
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,982 ✭✭✭Degag


    Multipass wrote: »
    A bit of perspective on risk

    https://twitter.com/avinash/status/1381642880356261889?s=21

    Seems ridiculous to me. It's a few people per million who develop complications i believe. Now i'm not sure of the level of seriousness of these complications (i presume they must be significant) but realistically there is going to be some level of adverse side affects to every drug that is administered.

    Not long ago they banned AZ for over 60s:rolleyes:


  • #38
    Dressoutlet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 309 ✭✭Dressoutlet


    I don't know why people are Complaining. Yes it delays our rollout but if that is the worst outcome as opposed to people getting a very rare Clot and dying then we have little to worry about. Yes I know it's a rare side effect but significant enough for experts to say stop using it. I read constantly here, for a year now, about trusting the experts and yet they make a decision and suddenly its all a shambles.
    And before anyone starts yes I know it's a rare side effect, but it's an even rarer type of blood clot with a 1 in 4 mortality rate. If covid had a 1 in 4 mortality rate would you say the same that is being said about the vaccine. Its not the end of the world to stop giving it to younger people.


  • #39
    Doctor Jimbob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,657 ✭✭✭Doctor Jimbob


    Beasty wrote: »
    Even better news for me - should push me a bit higher if they've a load of AZ vaccines to put into the arms of those of us who are 60 or older

    Send on your PPS number to me by PM there for er, research purposes.


  • #40
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Beasty wrote: »
    Even better news for me - should push me a bit higher if they've a load of AZ vaccines to put into the arms of those of us who are 60 or older

    Nice one.


  • #41
    Scuid Mhór
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,326 ✭✭✭Scuid Mhór


    What an emotional rollercoaster this is.


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  • #42
    lbj666
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    Dressoutlet wrote: »
    I don't know why people are Complaining. Yes it delays our rollout but if that is the worst outcome as opposed to people getting a very rare Clot and dying then we have little to worry about. Yes I know it's a rare side effect but significant enough for experts to say stop using it. I read constantly here, for a year now, about trusting the experts and yet they make a decision and suddenly its all a shambles.
    And before anyone starts yes I know it's a rare side effect, but it's an even rarer type of blood clot with a 1 in 4 mortality rate. If covid had a 1 in 4 mortality rate would you say the same that is being said about the vaccine. Its not the end of the world to stop giving it to younger people.

    It doesn't even impact the rollout as much as people are suggesting with the reaction here, there still enough people eligible or earmarked for it to use up nearly all the Q1 and Q2 allocation.


  • #43
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    I missed the news that prior to this the AZ vaccine was going to be compulsory. Do you have a link to that?

    Don't be ridiculous. If just one young person died from this jab it would have undermined the entire programme in Ireland.

    Thankfully we can help avoid this by using common sense.


  • #44
    Micky 32
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,561 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    Scuid Mhór wrote: »
    What an emotional rollercoaster this is.


    Yes, I’m starting to get motion sickness now :o


  • #45
    funnydoggy
    Registered Users Posts: 2,065 ✭✭✭funnydoggy


    Scuid Mhór wrote: »
    What an emotional rollercoaster this is.


    It's like the ending of Game of Thrones. Same emotions too. Gloom and disappointment :pac:


  • #46
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    lbj666 wrote: »
    It doesn't even impact the rollout as much as people are suggesting with the reaction here, there still enough people eligible or earmarked for it to use up nearly all the Q1 and Q2 allocation.

    Exactly. The hysteria here is ridiculous. Why don't we wait to hear the plan for modifying the rollout before freaking out that it's a disaster?


  • #47
    Degag
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,982 ✭✭✭Degag


    Dressoutlet wrote: »
    I don't know why people are Complaining. Yes it delays our rollout but if that is the worst outcome as opposed to people getting a very rare Clot and dying then we have little to worry about. Yes I know it's a rare side effect but significant enough for experts to say stop using it. I read constantly here, for a year now, about trusting the experts and yet they make a decision and suddenly its all a shambles.
    And before anyone starts yes I know it's a rare side effect, but it's an even rarer type of blood clot with a 1 in 4 mortality rate. If covid had a 1 in 4 mortality rate would you say the same that is being said about the vaccine. Its not the end of the world to stop giving it to younger people.

    Yes but this isn't 1 in 4.

    It's 1 in 4 in thousands. i.e. a very small, tiny, miniscule percentage. I would hate to be one of the few to get those complications (and maybe i'd have a different opinion then) but to me, the risk here is much lower than the benefit, overall. Will more people die or develop serious complications than this will save?


  • #48
    Doctor Jimbob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,657 ✭✭✭Doctor Jimbob


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Don't be ridiculous. If just one young person died from this jab it would have undermined the entire programme in Ireland.

    Thankfully we can help avoid this by using common sense.

    I'd have no issue with this if our reopening wasn't tied to vaccinations.

    As it stands, we simply can't afford this level of caution.


  • #49
    Rebelbrowser
    Registered Users Posts: 3,167 ✭✭✭Rebelbrowser


    Is there a press conference?


  • #50
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Don't be ridiculous. If just one young person died from this jab it would have undermined the entire programme in Ireland.

    Thankfully we can help avoid this by using common sense.

    At least one young person who receives a covid vaccine will die a short while after receiving it. Probably quite a few will.


  • #51
    Sierra 117
    Registered Users Posts: 629 ✭✭✭Sierra 117


    I'm sure all of the under 60s who were vaccinated with AZ today in vaccination centres will be delighted to hear this news.

    Jesus Christ.


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