Vaccine Megathread - See OP for threadbans

funnydoggy

This is gonna give the anti-vaxxers some serious bloody ammo.

stephenjmcd

hmmm wrote: »

That's what I don't quite understand about those saying this won't impact on the rollout.

If we are keeping AZ for the 60-70 year old group, isn't that going to delay them getting a vaccine? Will people be happy if (say) the 50 year olds have their vaccinations finished before the 60 year olds.

And if we do use all available vaccines for the 60 year old groups, we're going to be left with deliveries of a vaccine we can't use.

Exactly this.

Some don't seem to understand the impact of this and seem to think it won't have any impact.

ACitizenErased

funnydoggy wrote: »

This is gonna give the anti-vaxxers some serious bloody ammo.

We've already seen that on here tonight

drunkmonkey

No the WHO were out again today saying we have to keep distancing and face masks for a long time to come.

Vaccines won't end this and the way things are evolving it's within the realms of possibility they'll make things worse for the vaccinated.

I'm not sure how much longer I can last living in a masked up county, if it wasn't for the kids i'd have left ages ago. Mandatory vaccinations for children will be the final straw for me, we'll be getting the first flight out of here if they try it.

Van.Bosch

Surely the cohort should now be changed to 60-69 and start straight away with the AZ on hand?

Dressoutlet

I don't think Dr Nolan should be on TV. She looked a nervous wreck and her thoughts are written all over her face.

Cohort 4, I have managed to avoid dying from covid for a year. I am most certainly not happy to volunteer myself to die from a blood clot caused by a vaccine. I am high risk for blood clots. If I refused this vaccine I wouldn't have gotten any. So the HSE are not that bothered about high risk people if they have a "we don't care you said no now you're getting none" attitude.

Also, I became very wary of AZ when I saw the name change a few days ago. Twitchy eye immediately LOL. And I have not been cocooning. I use public transport multiple times a day and bring my children to school. I've been a close contact, I've been in hospital with my children, even on a covid ward for a week last year with one of my choldren. I wash my hands as I always have my whole life. Rarely use sanitiser. So I've managed to avoid catching Covid as a very high risk person, there's no way I'm volunteering for the AZ vaccine.

TomOnBoard

Miike wrote: »

It's worth noting the dominant variants during each of the clinical trials also and where they were conducted, and how this effects the efficacy values. As much as I detest VOX please watch the following video which is extremely succinct in explaining this, far better than I could even try.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3odScka55A

That Vox piece made sense to me in relation to the efficacy of all the vaccines in the trials in preventing hospitalisation and worse.

Sanjuro

Glad to see we're straight off the bat here with the science-backed evidence.

vienne86

astrofool wrote: »

I'm just hoping they adjust the rollout cohorts quickly and get started with mRNA for under 60's and have a slower pace with AZ for the over 60's (and not keep using Pfizer and Moderna on them).

Why slow down the over 60s .......they're getting Astra Zeneca and there's lots in stock. Give it to them and get rid of them.

Dressoutlet

hmmm wrote: »

Slap a warning label on it and make it open access for anyone who wants it.

But then Dr Nolan made a face about people not having a choice of which vaccine. So if I'm offered AZ and am made aware of the side effects then that means I can be vaccinated, and if I refuse, then I don't get a vaccine.
They're very unclear. Either you have a choice or you don't.

HGVRHKYY

drunkmonkey wrote: »

No the WHO were out again today saying we have to keep distancing and face masks for a long time to come.

Vaccines won't end this and the way things are evolving it's within the realms of possibility they'll make things worse for the vaccinated.

I'm not sure how much longer I can last living in a masked up county, if it wasn't for the kids i'd have left ages ago. Mandatory vaccinations for children will be the final straw for me, we'll be getting the first flight out of here if they try it.

No you won't.

Wolf359f

Van.Bosch wrote: »

Surely the cohort should now be changed to 60-69 and start straight away with the AZ on hand?

They could have allowee anyone at risk in the 60-69 group and booked in tomorrow to go ahead.
Shame that online booking system wasn't up and running, could have opened it for 60-69 and get them into clinics this week.

No doubt we'll hear of GP's getting mRNA deliveries diverted soon enough and replaced with AZ.
They'll be juggling 2 types of vaccines now for patients.

daheff

When did we go from vaccine second dose after 3 weeks as per manufacturer advice to second dose after 12 weeks?

I was a bit surprised to hear this on the news today.....no big announcements made that I saw

stephenjmcd

Dressoutlet wrote: »

But then Dr Nolan made a face about people not having a choice of which vaccine. So if I'm offered AZ and am made aware of the side effects then that means I can be vaccinated, and if I refuse, then I don't get a vaccine.
They're very unclear. Either you have a choice or you don't.

There never was a choice of vaccine

Stark

It's 3-4 weeks for Pfizer/Moderna and 12 weeks for AstraZeneca. Been that way for some time now.

I'm not sure how much longer I can last living in a masked up county, if it wasn't for the kids i'd have left ages ago. Mandatory vaccinations for children will be the final straw for me, we'll be getting the first flight out of here if they try it.[/QUOTE]


You'll get clipped for a €500 breach out near airport if it's considered "non essential ".
Seriously though, methinks masks etc are here for the long haul.

Yonce

I very much doubt it.
There's too many unknowns with this virus.
Do we even know how long the vaccines work for?
I'd say masks etc will be around for a good while, and packing out places, I could be just negative but I can't see it

WoollyRedHat

Dressoutlet wrote: »

But then Dr Nolan made a face about people not having a choice of which vaccine. So if I'm offered AZ and am made aware of the side effects then that means I can be vaccinated, and if I refuse, then I don't get a vaccine.
They're very unclear. Either you have a choice or you don't.

That was in relation to those over 60 who were looking to reject AZ in favour of another. She left the possibility of someone opting to go for AZ under 60 open down the line.

astrofool

vienne86 wrote: »

Why slow down the over 60s .......they're getting Astra Zeneca and there's lots in stock. Give it to them and get rid of them.

Not enough stock to do them all yet, and AZ supply will be patchy, so it will mean a slower rollout for > 60 and faster for < 60 (and if AZ meet their supply targets, > 60 rollout should be unaffected).

Turtwig

daheff wrote: »

When did we go from vaccine second dose after 3 weeks as per manufacturer advice to second dose after 12 weeks?

I was a bit surprised to hear this on the news today.....no big announcements made that I saw

We didn't
Our current second dosing schedules after first dose:
Pfizer 28 Days
Moderna 28 Days
AZ 12 weeks.

astrofool

daheff wrote: »

When did we go from vaccine second dose after 3 weeks as per manufacturer advice to second dose after 12 weeks?

I was a bit surprised to hear this on the news today.....no big announcements made that I saw

AZ has been a 12 week interval since the EMA approved it.

Dressoutlet

stephenjmcd wrote: »

There never was a choice of vaccine

But their advice is that a person under 60 can get the AZ vaccine if they are made aware of the side effects. So this would be a choice to say no after you hear the side effects. So is there a choice of vaccine or is it ok you know the side effects and say no tough **** no vaccine for you

drunkmonkey

Sanjuro wrote: »

Glad to see we're straight off the bat here with the science-backed evidence.

You mean the evolving evidence in the experiment because that is exactly what we're in. The science is far from settled.

hmmm

Dressoutlet wrote: »

But then Dr Nolan made a face about people not having a choice of which vaccine. So if I'm offered AZ and am made aware of the side effects then that means I can be vaccinated, and if I refuse, then I don't get a vaccine.
They're very unclear. Either you have a choice or you don't.

By make it "open access" I mean if we get to a situation where the 60+ group are vaccinated, and we are getting deliveries of AZ vaccine which is going unused. The benefits from my perspective significantly outweigh the miniscule risk, and I'm sure many others would feel the same.

vienne86

So Astra Zeneca has been renamed, relabelled and repackaged.......what the hell are they at....?

Parachutes

All this talk of masks and distancing forever are very worrying to me as a concerned citizen.

Remember. We are talking about a virus with a 99.7% survival rate and is basically a non-issue to the vast majority of the population.

You can fool some of the people some of the time, but you can’t fool all of the people all of the time. If things don’t return to normality soon, like minded patriots like myself will have no other option but flexing our God given rights.

ACitizenErased

Dressoutlet wrote: »

But their advice is that a person under 60 can get the AZ vaccine if they are made aware of the side effects. So this would be a choice to say no after you hear the side effects. So is there a choice of vaccine or is it ok you know the side effects and say no tough **** no vaccine for you

The advice is for nobody under 60 to get the astrazeneca vaccine

Wolf359f

vienne86 wrote: »

So Astra Zeneca has been renamed, relabelled and repackaged.......what the hell are they at....?

One thing I noticed, haven't heard it being called the Oxford vaccine in a long time!
Next it will be referenced as the swedish vaccine.

Strazdas

stephenjmcd wrote: »

There never was a choice of vaccine

Choice of vaccine would lead to total chaos in the system - it would be way too cumbersome and would probably cause massive delays (plus general confusion) in vaccinations.

Dressoutlet

ACitizenErased wrote: »

The advice is for nobody under 60 to get the astrazeneca vaccine

No, they said under 60 can get the vaccine if they are aware of the side effects

ACitizenErased

vienne86 wrote: »

So Astra Zeneca has been renamed, relabelled and repackaged.......what the hell are they at....?

Medicines are always given names. Pfizer = Comirnaty. Moderna = mRNA-1273.

WoollyRedHat

hmmm wrote: »

By make it "open access" I mean if we get to a situation where the 60+ group are vaccinated, and we are getting deliveries of AZ vaccine which is going unused. The benefits from my perspective significantly outweigh the miniscule risk, and I'm sure many others would feel the same.

That summarises it succinctly all right.

LessOutragePlz

It won't end it if we all don't take it :pac:

ACitizenErased

Dressoutlet wrote: »

No, they said under 60 can get the vaccine if they are aware of the side effects

???
Today's advice:
The National Immunisation Advisory Committee (NIAC) have today revised recommendations for the use of Vaxzevria/AstraZeneca. In line with these recommendations:

• all of those aged 60 years and older can get any authorised COVID-19 vaccine, including Vaxzevria/AstraZeneca
• Vaxzevria/AstraZeneca is not recommended for those aged under 60 years including those with medical conditions with very high or high risk of severe COVID-19 disease

The previous advice was to add it as a side effect to the list and print new brochures, not give a choice

Wolf359f

Dressoutlet wrote: »

No, they said under 60 can get the vaccine if they are aware of the side effects

I didn't hear that. You sure they didn't mean for their 2nd dose?

Micky 32

Glynn doesn’t seem too concerned about the roll out:

“Deputy Chief Medical Officer Dr Ronan Glynn said the decision to restrict Astrazeneca to people over 60 will "not necessarily" have a "material impact or delay on the roll-out of the vaccination programme".

And packing out places, I could be just negative but I can't see it[/QUOTE]

Just before the "axe fell" in March 2020 I dropped the youngest fella & his mates off to a massive teenage "disco".....apprx 1500 young uns wearing next to nowt, packed like sardines & they swapping saliva with each other till early hours. I genuinely feel sad thinking of that night....cant see him or his peers doing normal teenage 'coming of age' for next few years

Dressoutlet

hmmm wrote: »

By make it "open access" I mean if we get to a situation where the 60+ group are vaccinated, and we are getting deliveries of AZ vaccine which is going unused. The benefits from my perspective significantly outweigh the miniscule risk, and I'm sure many others would feel the same.

Yes I do think it's good to offer it in this way, but it should be made clear that this is an opt in vaccine, in a sense. And not have people under 60 say no and then get nothing because the criteria is they can have it if they're aware of the risks.

francogarbanzo

Sanjuro wrote: »

Glad to see we're straight off the bat here with the science-backed evidence.

OMG I f*cking love science!! Do you have any science articles I can skim about whether or not I should believe that vaccines will get us back to normal?

rm212

ACitizenErased wrote: »

The advice is for nobody under 60 to get the astrazeneca vaccine

Unless you’ve already got a first dose and you have a medical condition. Otherwise, if you got your first dose and don’t have a medical condition, wait 16 weeks from your first dose so we can make sure the second dose is safe.

Dressoutlet

ACitizenErased wrote: »

???
The National Immunisation Advisory Committee (NIAC) have today revised recommendations for the use of Vaxzevria/AstraZeneca. In line with these recommendations:

• all of those aged 60 years and older can get any authorised COVID-19 vaccine, including Vaxzevria/AstraZeneca
• Vaxzevria/AstraZeneca is not recommended for those aged under 60 years including those with medical conditions with very high or high risk of severe COVID-19 disease

The previous advice was to add it as a side effect to the list and print new brochures, not give a choice

I literally watched the conference, Dr Nolan answered a journalist question about it. She said The advice is it can be given to under 60s so long as they're aware of the side effects.

Parachutes

Parachutes wrote: »

All this talk of masks and distancing forever are very worrying to me as a concerned citizen.

Remember. We are talking about a virus with a 99.7% survival rate and is basically a non-issue to the vast majority of the population.

You can fool some of the people some of the time, but you can’t fool all of the people all of the time. If things don’t return to normality soon, like minded patriots like myself will have no other option but flexing our God given rights.

Eww.

ACitizenErased

Dressoutlet wrote: »

I literally watched the conference, Dr Nolan answered a journalist question about it. She said The advice is it can be given to under 60s so long as they're aware of the side effects.

Are you on a wind up? The advice is literally written out
https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/47463-statement-from-acting-chief-medical-officer-dr-ronan-glynn-monday-12-april-2021/

hmmm

hmmm wrote: »

That's what I don't quite understand about those saying this won't impact on the rollout.

If we are keeping AZ for the 60-70 year old group, isn't that going to delay them getting a vaccine? Will people be happy if (say) the 50 year olds have their vaccinations finished before the 60 year olds.

And if we do use all available vaccines for the 60 year old groups, we're going to be left with deliveries of a vaccine we can't use.

I don't think anyone is suggesting that it won't have any impact, just that the impact is not necessarily as severe as some are claiming.

Let's see what plan the HSE come up with.

By the way we were always going to end up with a surplus of vaccines we can't use, as we ordered more than we need. We did that to mitigate against these kinds of risks.

Dressoutlet

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Are you on a wind up? The advice is literally written out
https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/47463-statement-from-acting-chief-medical-officer-dr-ronan-glynn-monday-12-april-2021/

No I am not on a wind up. Go and watch the conference. She said the words out of her own mouth live on TV

Parachutes

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Eww.

Sorry, I forgot it’s not politically correct to love your country. Wouldn’t stop me though.

Strazdas

Dressoutlet wrote: »

I literally watched the conference, Dr Nolan answered a journalist question about it. She said The advice is it can be given to under 60s so long as they're aware of the side effects.

I heard her say that too - they may need to give further clarification on this just to stop any confusion.

ACitizenErased

Dressoutlet wrote: »

No I am not on a wind up. Go and watch the conference. She said the words out of her own mouth live on TV

It doesn't matter what she said, the advice is in writing

Mrs OBumble

drunkmonkey wrote: »

. Mandatory vaccinations for children will be the final straw for me, we'll be getting the first flight out of here if they try it.

Where do you think will take you?

Parachutes

Parachutes wrote: »

All this talk of masks and distancing forever are very worrying to me as a concerned citizen.

Remember. We are talking about a virus with a 99.7% survival rate and is basically a non-issue to the vast majority of the population.

You can fool some of the people some of the time, but you can’t fool all of the people all of the time. If things don’t return to normality soon, like minded patriots like myself will have no other option but flexing our God given rights.

Death rate will be even lower with the vaccines as well.