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Vaccine Megathread - See OP for threadbans

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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    vienne86 wrote: »
    So Astra Zeneca has been renamed, relabelled and repackaged.......what the hell are they at....?
    Medicines are always given names. Pfizer = Comirnaty. Moderna = mRNA-1273.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,462 ✭✭✭✭WoollyRedHat


    hmmm wrote: »
    By make it "open access" I mean if we get to a situation where the 60+ group are vaccinated, and we are getting deliveries of AZ vaccine which is going unused. The benefits from my perspective significantly outweigh the miniscule risk, and I'm sure many others would feel the same.

    That summarises it succinctly all right.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,358 ✭✭✭LessOutragePlz


    It won't end it if we all don't take it :pac:


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    No, they said under 60 can get the vaccine if they are aware of the side effects
    ???
    Today's advice:
    The National Immunisation Advisory Committee (NIAC) have today revised recommendations for the use of Vaxzevria/AstraZeneca. In line with these recommendations:
    • all of those aged 60 years and older can get any authorised COVID-19 vaccine, including Vaxzevria/AstraZeneca
    • Vaxzevria/AstraZeneca is not recommended for those aged under 60 years including those with medical conditions with very high or high risk of severe COVID-19 disease

    The previous advice was to add it as a side effect to the list and print new brochures, not give a choice


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,696 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    No, they said under 60 can get the vaccine if they are aware of the side effects

    I didn't hear that. You sure they didn't mean for their 2nd dose?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,556 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    Glynn doesn’t seem too concerned about the roll out:

    “Deputy Chief Medical Officer Dr Ronan Glynn said the decision to restrict Astrazeneca to people over 60 will "not necessarily" have a "material impact or delay on the roll-out of the vaccination programme".


  • Posts: 1,344 [Deleted User]


    And packing out places, I could be just negative but I can't see it[/QUOTE]

    Just before the "axe fell" in March 2020 I dropped the youngest fella & his mates off to a massive teenage "disco".....apprx 1500 young uns wearing next to nowt, packed like sardines & they swapping saliva with each other till early hours. I genuinely feel sad thinking of that night....cant see him or his peers doing normal teenage 'coming of age' for next few years


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 309 ✭✭Dressoutlet


    hmmm wrote: »
    By make it "open access" I mean if we get to a situation where the 60+ group are vaccinated, and we are getting deliveries of AZ vaccine which is going unused. The benefits from my perspective significantly outweigh the miniscule risk, and I'm sure many others would feel the same.

    Yes I do think it's good to offer it in this way, but it should be made clear that this is an opt in vaccine, in a sense. And not have people under 60 say no and then get nothing because the criteria is they can have it if they're aware of the risks.


  • Registered Users Posts: 365 ✭✭francogarbanzo


    Sanjuro wrote: »
    Glad to see we're straight off the bat here with the science-backed evidence.

    OMG I f*cking love science!! Do you have any science articles I can skim about whether or not I should believe that vaccines will get us back to normal?


  • Registered Users Posts: 689 ✭✭✭rm212


    The advice is for nobody under 60 to get the astrazeneca vaccine

    Unless you’ve already got a first dose and you have a medical condition. Otherwise, if you got your first dose and don’t have a medical condition, wait 16 weeks from your first dose so we can make sure the second dose is safe.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 309 ✭✭Dressoutlet


    ???
    The National Immunisation Advisory Committee (NIAC) have today revised recommendations for the use of Vaxzevria/AstraZeneca. In line with these recommendations:
    • all of those aged 60 years and older can get any authorised COVID-19 vaccine, including Vaxzevria/AstraZeneca
    • Vaxzevria/AstraZeneca is not recommended for those aged under 60 years including those with medical conditions with very high or high risk of severe COVID-19 disease

    The previous advice was to add it as a side effect to the list and print new brochures, not give a choice

    I literally watched the conference, Dr Nolan answered a journalist question about it. She said The advice is it can be given to under 60s so long as they're aware of the side effects.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Parachutes wrote: »
    All this talk of masks and distancing forever are very worrying to me as a concerned citizen.

    Remember. We are talking about a virus with a 99.7% survival rate and is basically a non-issue to the vast majority of the population.

    You can fool some of the people some of the time, but you can’t fool all of the people all of the time. If things don’t return to normality soon, like minded patriots like myself will have no other option but flexing our God given rights.

    Eww.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    I literally watched the conference, Dr Nolan answered a journalist question about it. She said The advice is it can be given to under 60s so long as they're aware of the side effects.
    Are you on a wind up? The advice is literally written out
    https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/47463-statement-from-acting-chief-medical-officer-dr-ronan-glynn-monday-12-april-2021/


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    hmmm wrote: »
    That's what I don't quite understand about those saying this won't impact on the rollout.

    If we are keeping AZ for the 60-70 year old group, isn't that going to delay them getting a vaccine? Will people be happy if (say) the 50 year olds have their vaccinations finished before the 60 year olds.

    And if we do use all available vaccines for the 60 year old groups, we're going to be left with deliveries of a vaccine we can't use.

    I don't think anyone is suggesting that it won't have any impact, just that the impact is not necessarily as severe as some are claiming.

    Let's see what plan the HSE come up with.

    By the way we were always going to end up with a surplus of vaccines we can't use, as we ordered more than we need. We did that to mitigate against these kinds of risks.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 309 ✭✭Dressoutlet



    No I am not on a wind up. Go and watch the conference. She said the words out of her own mouth live on TV


  • Registered Users Posts: 975 ✭✭✭Parachutes


    Eww.

    Sorry, I forgot it’s not politically correct to love your country. Wouldn’t stop me though.


  • Registered Users Posts: 17,945 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    I literally watched the conference, Dr Nolan answered a journalist question about it. She said The advice is it can be given to under 60s so long as they're aware of the side effects.

    I heard her say that too - they may need to give further clarification on this just to stop any confusion.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    No I am not on a wind up. Go and watch the conference. She said the words out of her own mouth live on TV
    It doesn't matter what she said, the advice is in writing


  • Registered Users Posts: 25,650 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    . Mandatory vaccinations for children will be the final straw for me, we'll be getting the first flight out of here if they try it.

    Where do you think will take you?


  • Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭[Deleted User]


    Parachutes wrote: »
    All this talk of masks and distancing forever are very worrying to me as a concerned citizen.

    Remember. We are talking about a virus with a 99.7% survival rate and is basically a non-issue to the vast majority of the population.

    You can fool some of the people some of the time, but you can’t fool all of the people all of the time. If things don’t return to normality soon, like minded patriots like myself will have no other option but flexing our God given rights.

    Death rate will be even lower with the vaccines as well.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,844 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    The problem with this virus is twofold.

    1) There is no decent middle ground where you can have an acceptable amount of virus, with an acceptable amount of economic opening. You either have an unacceptably high amount of virus, or an unacceptably low amount of economy due to lockdown.

    2) Yes, it has a 99.7% survival rate, or whatever the exact figure is. It's high. But long-covid is a huge issue which means you can't just let it rip and in any case, the bigger issue is a relatively high percentage of people need ICU. ICU capacity is the bottleneck everywhere.

    I think the vaccine will help, definitely. It'll certainly help with 1).

    I really hope it will end it, but the longer this goes on for, the more I worry about it. Unless we're all like Israel, we'll have to keep with restrictions of some form because of (2), which will mean the death of tourism, aviation and any mass events. People don't want to accept that, but will they just have to? I don't know.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,462 ✭✭✭✭WoollyRedHat


    Yes I do think it's good to offer it in this way, but it should be made clear that this is an opt in vaccine, in a sense. And not have people under 60 say no and then get nothing because the criteria is they can have it if they're aware of the risks.

    That's not how it's going to pan out, it's for down the line and presuming recommendation doesn't change. In the short term, under 60s will not be offered AZ vaccine, it will be used only on the Over 60s cohort and they will no longer get offered other two available vaccines, if they have yet to receive first dose.. You may see the possibility of people under 60 down the line getting chance to opt to take AZ one if there was a surplus of that one and shortage of others.


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,163 ✭✭✭✭Calahonda52


    The advice is for nobody under 60 to get the astrazeneca vaccine
    Based on the expected kill rate from Covid

    If you are over 60, she said, then you are 85 times more likely to die from Covid than suffer a clotting event and that is taking the most cautious use of the data.

    For people aged 20 to 34, that falls to twice as likely to die from Covid.

    “I can’t pay my staff or mortgage with instagram likes”.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Parachutes wrote: »
    Sorry, I forgot it’s not politically correct to love your country. Wouldn’t stop me though.

    You don't need to explain yourself, I've already seen all that I need to.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 309 ✭✭Dressoutlet


    Strazdas wrote: »
    I heard her say that too - they may need to give further clarification on this just to stop any confusion.

    Thank you. They seem have left it open for the people who want it can still get it. When the time comes that there's surplus AZ I assume. Jesus Christ I hate being contradicted


  • Registered Users Posts: 25,388 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Parachutes wrote: »
    All this talk of masks and distancing forever are very worrying to me as a concerned citizen.

    Remember. We are talking about a virus with a 99.7% survival rate and is basically a non-issue to the vast majority of the population.

    You can fool some of the people some of the time, but you can’t fool all of the people all of the time. If things don’t return to normality soon, like minded patriots like myself will have no other option but flexing our God given rights.

    Oh please do expand on this, what are your "god given rights" and what will you be "flexing"?


  • Registered Users Posts: 975 ✭✭✭Parachutes


    The problem with this virus is twofold.

    1) There is no decent middle ground where you can have an acceptable amount of virus, with an acceptable amount of economic opening. You either have an unacceptably high amount of virus, or an unacceptably low amount of economy due to lockdown.

    2) Yes, it has a 99.7% survival rate, or whatever the exact figure is. It's high. But long-covid is a huge issue which means you can't just let it rip and in any case, the bigger issue is a relatively high percentage of people need ICU. ICU capacity is the bottleneck everywhere.

    I think the vaccine will help, definitely. It'll certainly help with 1).

    I really hope it will end it, but the longer this goes on for, the more I worry about it. Unless we're all like Israel, we'll have to keep with restrictions of some form because of (2), which will mean the death of tourism, aviation and any mass events. People don't want to accept that, but will they just have to? I don't know.

    As a nation we have survived famines, wars, disasters. We’ll get through this as well.


  • Registered Users Posts: 365 ✭✭francogarbanzo


    Eww.

    I know right? Ick!

    Can’t wait to get my vaccines!


  • Registered Users Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    hmmm wrote: »
    By make it "open access" I mean if we get to a situation where the 60+ group are vaccinated, and we are getting deliveries of AZ vaccine which is going unused. The benefits from my perspective significantly outweigh the miniscule risk, and I'm sure many others would feel the same.

    To a point. If you're talking about a very low risk group then you need consider the implications of a mass vaccination programme. How likely is everyone in Ireland that is, say, 25 years age to get COVID 19? It's reasonable to assume they wouldn't all get COVID. Only a very small % of those who would get infected would die from the disease. If you did a mass vaccination of the 25 year olds you could end up with more dead from the vaccine than would have died from COVID. Even if to each individual their risk of an adverse reaction from AZ was astronomically low. The population pool of those vaccinated would likely be thousands of times greater than those infected with COVID. It's possible that not everyone should be given the open access choice: the odds would be in the individual's favours but not in the population's.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 15,199 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Thank you. They seem have left it open for the people who want it can still get it. When the time comes that there's surplus AZ I assume. Jesus Christ I hate being contradicted

    She may have misspoken perhaps. The statements are out on government websites now etc and it's pretty clear to be honest that nobody under 60 will be offered dose 1 of AZ at the moment.

    Perhaps she means at some point in the future or if medical advice for that person dictated they couldn't have mRNA?


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