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Covid 19 Part XXXIV-249,437 ROI(4,906 deaths) 120,195 NI (2,145 deaths)(01/05)Read OP

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    #212
    gozunda
    Registered Users Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    timmyntc wrote: »
    Yes we can! The whole point is the impact of vaccinations, and those under 65 with an underlying condition are a key vaccination group. The vaccination plan is to cover these people asap because they are a higher risk! If the people coordinating our vaccine response are acknowledging this fact, why wont you?

    Well for the single reason that does nothing to prove your claim that at present
    timmyntc wrote:
    Deaths and hospitalisations (deaths in particular) under 65s are overwhelmingly among those with underlying conditions. Relatively few healthy under 65s end up in hospital

    Let's look at the highlighted bit btw.

    You claim that "Relatively few healthy under 65s end up in hospital" with covid.

    The actual data from the HSPC shows that
    some 63.3% of those in hospital with covid have underlying conditions. However the absolute majority of those with an underlying condition are those over the age of 65 years of age.
    Underlying medical conditions in individuals with confirmed COVID-19 by age group, up to midnight 12/12/2020

    Age group | % of each age group
    | with an an underlying condition

    0-14 | 8.7%
    15-24 | 12 %
    25-34 | 16.9%
    35-44 | 20.8%
    45-54 | 28.2%
    55-64 | 36.9%

    65-74 | 52.5%
    75+ | 59.4%

    https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/surveillance/underlyingconditionsreports/Underlying%20conditions%20summary_1.0v%2014122020.pdf

    Under 65s with underlying conditions may indeed be a key vaccination group - though catch up means we are currently well behind with previous groups still being priority for vaccination over those under 65 with underlying conditions.


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    #213
    Banana Republic 1
    Registered Users Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    Renault 5 wrote: »
    You know for sure these queue numbers will be added to the nphet worry scale

    " Level 5 lockdown extended due to queues to get tested for no apparent reason"

    Moronic statement !


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    #214
    gozunda
    Registered Users Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    timmyntc wrote: »
    The EU dont use Irish GDP - its a situation unique to us as a tax haven.We instead should use modified GNI*.

    The CSO record this specifically because Irish GDP is unreliable due to the impact of airplane registration )& other assets being registered here) and multinational profits that are funnelled through here. They do not generate revenue or economic activity for this country, but they erroneously show up in our GDP metrics.

    They don't?????


    https://ec.europa.eu/info/business-economy-euro/economic-performance-and-forecasts/economic-performance-country/ireland/economic-forecast-ireland_en

    https://ec.europa.eu/ireland/new/european-commission-s-winter-2021-economic-forecast-ireland-s-gdp-growth-is-projected-at-3.4-per-cent-in-2021_en


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    #215
    lukas8888
    Registered Users Posts: 516 ✭✭✭lukas8888


    Just after hearing a lady interviewed outside a new walk in test centre. When asked why she was there her response was as she suffers from asthma she decided to get a test for peace of mind. No mention of any symptoms or connections to any positive person. Presumably many others will decide to do same,. absolute nonsense bigger chance of picking it up outside centre than if she stayed home.


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    #216
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users Posts: 10,503 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    lukas8888 wrote: »
    Just after hearing a lady interviewed outside a new walk in test centre. When asked why she was there her response was as she suffers from asthma she decided to get a test for peace of mind. No mention of any symptoms or connections to any positive person. Presumably many others will decide to do same,. absolute nonsense bigger chance of picking it up outside centre than if she stayed home.

    They are specifically for people without symptoms.


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    #217
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users Posts: 15,202 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    lukas8888 wrote: »
    Just after hearing a lady interviewed outside a new walk in test centre. When asked why she was there her response was as she suffers from asthma she decided to get a test for peace of mind. No mention of any symptoms or connections to any positive person. Presumably many others will decide to do same,. absolute nonsense bigger chance of picking it up outside centre than if she stayed home.

    The pop up test sites are for people who are asymptomatic. Anyone who has symptoms is still to go through the GP for testing & close contacts would get a test anyway. But neither at these pop up sites


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    #218
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users Posts: 10,503 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Renault 5 wrote: »
    You know for sure these queue numbers will be added to the nphet worry scale

    " Level 5 lockdown extended due to queues to get tested for no apparent reason"

    If that's satire, it failed miserably.

    If not, why will this asinine tinfoil hat rubbish end?


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    #219
    Charles Babbage
    Registered Users Posts: 5,519 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    Fingers crossed it's just covid like symptoms

    Colds definitely going around in Cork

    Lot of parents getting it from school kids[/quote

    According to Like O'Neill on Newstalk, research in Glasgow shows a rhinovirus will stop you getting Covid and will even drive out Covid.]


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    #220
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users Posts: 5,727 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    They are specifically for people without symptoms.

    GP referrals are up and down like a yoyo. People talking about colds circulating, case numbers up and down like a yoyo. Serial testing in hospitals and nursing homes will not really show any major impact on community infection rate due to vaccines. Maybe it's a way to do mass community testing to see what the infection rate in the public really is.

    Why they never had a monitoring system like the UK is beyond me. They certainly had capicity for most of the time.


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    #221
    gozunda
    Registered Users Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    lukas8888 wrote: »
    Just after hearing a lady interviewed outside a new walk in test centre. When asked why she was there her response was as she suffers from asthma she decided to get a test for peace of mind. No mention of any symptoms or connections to any positive person. Presumably many others will decide to do same,. absolute nonsense bigger chance of picking it up outside centre than if she stayed home.
    Speaking on RTÉ's Drivetime, Ms O'Beirne said the establishment of these centres is "another tool in the toolkit" to stop the spread of Covid-19, and to find asymptomatic cases...

    She said the testing centres are aimed at detecting the disease in areas where positive cases are particularly high. 

    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0324/1205829-coronavirus-ireland/


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    #222
    covidrelease
    Registered Users Posts: 229 ✭✭covidrelease


    gozunda wrote: »
    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0324/1205829-coronavirus-ireland/

    Be interesting to see what kind of positivity rate each one returns.


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    #223
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    Charles Babbage wrote: »
    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    Fingers crossed it's just covid like symptoms

    Colds definitely going around in Cork

    Lot of parents getting it from school kids[/quote

    According to Like O'Neill on Newstalk, research in Glasgow shows a rhinovirus will stop you getting Covid and will even drive out Covid.]

    We should very quickly be able to formulate a vaccine made up entirely of 5 year old's snots


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    #224
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users Posts: 16,100 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    https://www.newstalk.com/news/luke-oneill-let-people-outdoors-more-and-theyll-be-less-likely-to-break-other-rules-1170275


    Professor Luke O’Neill says Ireland is ‘in the thick’ of pandemic fatigue, and a change in approach is now needed.

    The Trinity College immunologist says the five-kilometre travel restriction is one rule that ‘clearly’ needs to be changed by the Government, as it would stop people crowding into areas like their local park.

    He said letting people do more outdoor activities more means they'll be less likely to break other rules - something that's been seen in past pandemics


    Exactly what many ordinary people are saying as well .


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    #225
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users Posts: 10,503 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    Fingers crossed it's just covid like symptoms

    Colds definitely going around in Cork

    Lot of parents getting it from school kids

    Any figures on this 'lots of parent' claim?


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    #226
    Kivaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭Kivaro


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    https://www.newstalk.com/news/luke-oneill-let-people-outdoors-more-and-theyll-be-less-likely-to-break-other-rules-1170275


    Professor Luke O’Neill says Ireland is ‘in the thick’ of pandemic fatigue, and a change in approach is now needed.

    The Trinity College immunologist says the five-kilometre travel restriction is one rule that ‘clearly’ needs to be changed by the Government, as it would stop people crowding into areas like their local park.

    He said letting people do more outdoor activities more means they'll be less likely to break other rules - something that's been seen in past pandemics


    Exactly what many ordinary people are saying as well .
    Completely logical.
    Except the people in charge of restricting us are lacking logic.


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    #227
    covidrelease
    Registered Users Posts: 229 ✭✭covidrelease


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    https://www.newstalk.com/news/luke-oneill-let-people-outdoors-more-and-theyll-be-less-likely-to-break-other-rules-1170275


    Professor Luke O’Neill says Ireland is ‘in the thick’ of pandemic fatigue, and a change in approach is now needed.

    The Trinity College immunologist says the five-kilometre travel restriction is one rule that ‘clearly’ needs to be changed by the Government, as it would stop people crowding into areas like their local park.

    He said letting people do more outdoor activities more means they'll be less likely to break other rules - something that's been seen in past pandemics


    Exactly what many ordinary people are saying as well .

    Should have been undone on the last review, if we are in another wave then government and NPHET incompetence is to blame.

    They are incapable of changing course and accepting their failures until there is a rebellion of sorts.

    Passed a checkpoint in a rural hamlet today, 2 cops sitting in their car, I mean, what is the fcuking point of that, especially in an area near the bottom of the table for incidence rates.


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    #228
    Harpon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 166 ✭✭Harpon


    Sanjuro wrote: »
    Well maybe they should have enforced working from home rather than just suggesting it. Because companies are so well-known for putting the welfare of their employees over profits. Jesus christ.

    And also they should practice what they preach. You have to laugh at them giving out about people going into the office unnecessarily, while nphet are doing just that themselves, and worse, forcing journalists and camera crews to come in and cover their press conferences. The daily stats should be released on their website, with a q&a on a zoom call with journalists after.


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    #229
    gozunda
    Registered Users Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    covidrelease wrote: »
    Should have been undone on the last review, if we are in another wave then government and NPHET incompetence is to blame.

    They are incapable of changing course and accepting their failures until there is a rebellion of sorts.

    Passed a checkpoint in a rural hamlet today, 2 cops sitting in their car, I mean, what is the fcuking point of that, especially in an area near the bottom of the table for incidence rates.

    We have "hamlets" :pac:


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    #230
    covidrelease
    Registered Users Posts: 229 ✭✭covidrelease


    Harpon wrote: »
    And also they should practice what they preach. You have to laugh at them giving out about people going into the office unnecessarily, while nphet are doing just that themselves, and worse, forcing journalists and camera crews to come in and cover their press conferences. The daily stats should be released on their website, with a q&a on a zoom call with journalists after.

    1000% spot on. Absolute farce to be lecturing people when happily undertaking pointless journeys like turning up at the late late show or Martin going to a stupid United Ireland debate.

    They should start by doing the press conferences on zoom.


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    #231
    timmyntc
    Registered Users Posts: 6,864 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    gozunda wrote: »
    The actual data from the HSPC shows that
    some 63.3% of those in hospital with covid have underlying conditions. However the absolute majority of those with an underlying condition are those over the age of 65 years of age.

    That doesnt prove what you think it does.
    63% of those hospitalised have underlying conditions.
    Over 65s are more likely to have an underlying condition.

    Your data shows the % of underlying conditions in ALL confirmed cases across age brackets. Doesnt say anything about hospitalisation of age brackets with/without underlying condition.

    Those 2 facts dont prove anything about the hospitalisation numbers for under 65s without underlying conditions.

    The stats youve shown present no overlap between under 65 and underlying condition. So your claim that healthy u65s would fill up hospitals is baseless.


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    #232
    Eod100
    Registered Users Posts: 11,667 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1375090605894799360?s=19


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    #233
    brick tamland
    Registered Users Posts: 1,439 ✭✭✭brick tamland


    Really enjoy listening to Luke O'Neill, talks complete sense with no airs or graces about it. Almost sounds like a bloke you'll hear down the pub but with obviously way more knowledge behind it :-)

    Couldn't agree more with his comments there. The only thing I would add is that meeting up in outside/parks should not only be allowed, it should be actively encouraged. If people can meet outdoors they are less likely to meet indoors and it will be great for everyone's mental health.

    Kids outdoor sport a no brainer too


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    #234
    Banana Republic 1
    Registered Users Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    Kivaro wrote: »
    Completely logical.
    Except the people in charge of restricting us are lacking logic.

    They also are either bald or getting haircuts on the QT.


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    #235
    TheDoctor
    Registered Users Posts: 4,977 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    Eod100 wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1375090605894799360?s=19

    Might get our first 100k dose week.


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    #236
    Rebelbrowser
    Registered Users Posts: 3,135 ✭✭✭Rebelbrowser


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    Any figures on this 'lots of parent' claim?

    Think he means colds, not covid. If so, from a number of annecdotal sources (a childcare worker, and a teacher and a GP, plus others on here) that is the case in Cork anyway.


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    #237
    marno21
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,356 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Next week is the last week that can be filed under Q1.

    It has to ramp up from here now.

    95-105k next week. Big delivery from AstraZeneca at the end of the week with a big week required the following week. Pfizer ramping up then as well


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    #238
    Timmy O Toole
    Registered Users Posts: 348 ✭✭Timmy O Toole


    Media really churning out the "rampup in April" all day. Everything is always just 2 more weeks away isn't it.


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    #239
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users Posts: 5,727 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Timmy O Toole wrote: »
    Media really churning out the "rampup in April" all day. Everything is always just 2 more weeks away isn't it.

    It will ramp up, but the biggest week will be the last week of June more than likely, not the first week of April.


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    #240
    Renault 5
    Closed Accounts Posts: 171 ✭✭Renault 5


    "HSE received just 9,600 doses of AstraZeneca vaccine last week – the lowest delivery to date"

    Independent


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    #241
    [Deleted User]
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    brick tamland wrote: »
    Really enjoy listening to Luke O'Neill, talks complete sense with no airs or graces about it. Almost sounds like a bloke you'll hear down the pub but with obviously way more knowledge behind it :-)

    Couldn't agree more with his comments there. The only thing I would add is that meeting up in outside/parks should not only be allowed, it should be actively encouraged. If people can meet outdoors they are less likely to meet indoors and it will be great for everyone's mental health.

    Kids outdoor sport a no brainer too

    Cool hand Luke, hey guys listen to me I'm the cool teacher and I'm on your side....We should be happy that 1 year in on this nugget, that's when Luke decides to access the logical part of his brain???


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