Covid 19 Part XXXIV-249,437 ROI(4,906 deaths) 120,195 NI (2,145 deaths)(01/05)Read OP

prunudo

OwenM wrote: »

Well they have form: https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1329496235431129094

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/operator-rejects-claims-by-dr-tony-holohan-that-car-parks-are-full-1.4417015

I was getting ready to go on angry rant until I realised it was an old tweet.

Marty Bird

cameramonkey wrote: »

Maybe change the test to anal swab test and the numbers might tumble.

Or may go up

Sanjuro

prunudo wrote: »

I was getting ready to go on angry rant until I realised it was an old tweet.

You stopped yourself before I got the chance then. :pac:

Hellrazer

Wolf359f wrote: »

In storage can mean in gp fridges. You can't take the number delivered and subtract the number administered.
It's the number delivered minus the number administered minus the number of vaccines dispatched around the counties to centers and gp's for jabbing over the course of the week.

Its irrelevant where these 175,000 doses are - they should be in peoples arms.

20 or 30 k you might understand but 175,000!!!! Theres no excuse for this amount sitting in storage.

Thats 25% of our over 65s that "could" have gotten either a first or second vaccine.

I said this back in December and its panning out exactly the way I thought it would.
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=115677170&postcount=277

All well and good having a vaccine approved. However we still have Tony Holohan , Stephen Donnelly ,Mehole etc administering the rolling out of it.

We`ll be even more ****ed letting this lot get near the roll out of this.

And apparently theres a million doses coming next week - these idiots havent a hope in hell of organising putting a million vaccines into peoples arms.

stephenjmcd

Hellrazer wrote: »

Its irrelevant where these 175,000 doses are - they should be in peoples arms.

20 or 30 k you might understand but 175,000!!!! Theres no excuse for this amount sitting in storage.

Thats 25% of our over 65s that "could" have gotten either a first or second vaccine.

I said this back in December and its panning out exactly the way I thought it would.
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=115677170&postcount=277



And apparently theres a million doses coming next week - these idiots havent a hope in hell of organising putting a million vaccines into peoples arms.

To start with you've a large bulk of AZ that couldn't be used for a week so stock on hand increases there by roughly 90k while it couldn't be used. Secondly Moderna require 50% of stock to be held back(manufactures orders), 30/40k Pfizer buffer at all times. That's up to the weekend so while you say "no excuses" it's perfectly logically to see where the 175k has come from.

Should reduce down now during the course of the week with AZ back in use and this weeks vaccinations to come out of it.

Secondly there isn't a million doses coming next week.

Anyway I'm overlapping here with the vaccine thread

Arturo Delgado

Varadkar saying he can't see cases going under 500 a day. But of course only a small fraction of those will require hospital treatment and even that number should decrease as the vaccines cover the whole over 70s and vulnerable people. They don't want to open up, that's all you can take from that. NPHET needs to be reined in.

OwenM

Hellrazer wrote: »

Its irrelevant where these 175,000 doses are - they should be in peoples arms.

20 or 30 k you might understand but 175,000!!!! Theres no excuse for this amount sitting in storage.

Thats 25% of our over 65s that "could" have gotten either a first or second vaccine.

I said this back in December and its panning out exactly the way I thought it would.
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=115677170&postcount=277

And apparently theres a million doses coming next week - these idiots havent a hope in hell of organising putting a million vaccines into peoples arms.

175k does seem very big, I thought a buffer was required, not storing/earmarking 1:1 stock as 2nd doses which this does look like, but your last point is going to be the real news, Donnelly is going to rightly get abused when the vaccinations don't scale with large deliveries.

Rebelbrowser

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

GP referral data from yesterday is out. It does seem to have levelled off, and possibly going down a bit again.

https://tomorrowscare.ie/covid/2021-03-25_COVID_GP_Survey_Results.pdf

Going in right direction at least. I would say that if we don't see a big jump in positive case numbers over the next couple of days that this GP referral numbers jump reflected a jump in people with covid like symptoms rather than a jump in people with covid. The case numbers this week don't reflect a virtual doubling of GP referrals late last week and early this.

Wolf359f

Hellrazer wrote: »

Its irrelevant where these 175,000 doses are - they should be in peoples arms.

20 or 30 k you might understand but 175,000!!!! Theres no excuse for this amount sitting in storage.

Thats 25% of our over 65s that "could" have gotten either a first or second vaccine.

I said this back in December and its panning out exactly the way I thought it would.
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=115677170&postcount=277



And apparently theres a million doses coming next week - these idiots havent a hope in hell of organising putting a million vaccines into peoples arms.

I don't think it's possible for us to administer 175k in a day. If we did, there's gonna be backlash when the rest of the week we have zero administered.

What ever about AZ and having to reschedule people. Pfizer could very well get delivered to a GP on a Monday afternoon, so it's very hard for them to go full steam when they have to reconstitute it. Is not also prudent especially with some GP's getting left short on deliveries, they hold some back as a buffer to prevent it? You also have 10k (I believe) spoilt vaccines, that does not get taken into any consideration on figures.

Monday's figures are up 6k on last Mondays. Like case numbers, don't get fixated on a single day. Save your rage for the end of the week.

KrustyUCC

Rebelbrowser wrote: »

Going in right direction at least. I would say that if we don't see a big jump in positive case numbers over the next couple of days that this GP referral numbers jump reflected a jump in people with covid like symptoms rather than a jump in people with covid. The case numbers this week don't reflect a virtual doubling of GP referrals late last week and early this.

Fingers crossed it's just covid like symptoms

Colds definitely going around in Cork

Lot of parents getting it from school kids

gozunda

timmyntc wrote: »

Yes we can! The whole point is the impact of vaccinations, and those under 65 with an underlying condition are a key vaccination group. The vaccination plan is to cover these people asap because they are a higher risk! If the people coordinating our vaccine response are acknowledging this fact, why wont you?

Well for the single reason that does nothing to prove your claim that at present

timmyntc wrote:

Deaths and hospitalisations (deaths in particular) under 65s are overwhelmingly among those with underlying conditions. Relatively few healthy under 65s end up in hospital

Let's look at the highlighted bit btw.

You claim that "Relatively few healthy under 65s end up in hospital" with covid.

The actual data from the HSPC shows that
some 63.3% of those in hospital with covid have underlying conditions. However the absolute majority of those with an underlying condition are those over the age of 65 years of age.

Underlying medical conditions in individuals with confirmed COVID-19 by age group, up to midnight 12/12/2020

Age group | % of each age group
| with an an underlying condition

0-14 | 8.7%
15-24 | 12 %
25-34 | 16.9%
35-44 | 20.8%
45-54 | 28.2%
55-64 | 36.9%

65-74 | 52.5%
75+ | 59.4%

https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/surveillance/underlyingconditionsreports/Underlying%20conditions%20summary_1.0v%2014122020.pdf

Under 65s with underlying conditions may indeed be a key vaccination group - though catch up means we are currently well behind with previous groups still being priority for vaccination over those under 65 with underlying conditions.

Banana Republic 1

Renault 5 wrote: »

You know for sure these queue numbers will be added to the nphet worry scale

" Level 5 lockdown extended due to queues to get tested for no apparent reason"

Moronic statement !

gozunda

timmyntc wrote: »

The EU dont use Irish GDP - its a situation unique to us as a tax haven.We instead should use modified GNI*.

The CSO record this specifically because Irish GDP is unreliable due to the impact of airplane registration )& other assets being registered here) and multinational profits that are funnelled through here. They do not generate revenue or economic activity for this country, but they erroneously show up in our GDP metrics.

They don't?????


https://ec.europa.eu/info/business-economy-euro/economic-performance-and-forecasts/economic-performance-country/ireland/economic-forecast-ireland_en

https://ec.europa.eu/ireland/new/european-commission-s-winter-2021-economic-forecast-ireland-s-gdp-growth-is-projected-at-3.4-per-cent-in-2021_en

lukas8888

Just after hearing a lady interviewed outside a new walk in test centre. When asked why she was there her response was as she suffers from asthma she decided to get a test for peace of mind. No mention of any symptoms or connections to any positive person. Presumably many others will decide to do same,. absolute nonsense bigger chance of picking it up outside centre than if she stayed home.

Jim_Hodge

lukas8888 wrote: »

Just after hearing a lady interviewed outside a new walk in test centre. When asked why she was there her response was as she suffers from asthma she decided to get a test for peace of mind. No mention of any symptoms or connections to any positive person. Presumably many others will decide to do same,. absolute nonsense bigger chance of picking it up outside centre than if she stayed home.

They are specifically for people without symptoms.

stephenjmcd

lukas8888 wrote: »

Just after hearing a lady interviewed outside a new walk in test centre. When asked why she was there her response was as she suffers from asthma she decided to get a test for peace of mind. No mention of any symptoms or connections to any positive person. Presumably many others will decide to do same,. absolute nonsense bigger chance of picking it up outside centre than if she stayed home.

The pop up test sites are for people who are asymptomatic. Anyone who has symptoms is still to go through the GP for testing & close contacts would get a test anyway. But neither at these pop up sites

Jim_Hodge

Renault 5 wrote: »

You know for sure these queue numbers will be added to the nphet worry scale

" Level 5 lockdown extended due to queues to get tested for no apparent reason"

If that's satire, it failed miserably.

If not, why will this asinine tinfoil hat rubbish end?

Charles Babbage

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Fingers crossed it's just covid like symptoms

Colds definitely going around in Cork

Lot of parents getting it from school kids[/quote

According to Like O'Neill on Newstalk, research in Glasgow shows a rhinovirus will stop you getting Covid and will even drive out Covid.]

Wolf359f

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

They are specifically for people without symptoms.

GP referrals are up and down like a yoyo. People talking about colds circulating, case numbers up and down like a yoyo. Serial testing in hospitals and nursing homes will not really show any major impact on community infection rate due to vaccines. Maybe it's a way to do mass community testing to see what the infection rate in the public really is.

Why they never had a monitoring system like the UK is beyond me. They certainly had capicity for most of the time.

gozunda

lukas8888 wrote: »

Just after hearing a lady interviewed outside a new walk in test centre. When asked why she was there her response was as she suffers from asthma she decided to get a test for peace of mind. No mention of any symptoms or connections to any positive person. Presumably many others will decide to do same,. absolute nonsense bigger chance of picking it up outside centre than if she stayed home.

Speaking on RTÉ's Drivetime, Ms O'Beirne said the establishment of these centres is "another tool in the toolkit" to stop the spread of Covid-19, and to find asymptomatic cases...

She said the testing centres are aimed at detecting the disease in areas where positive cases are particularly high. 

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0324/1205829-coronavirus-ireland/

covidrelease

gozunda wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0324/1205829-coronavirus-ireland/

Be interesting to see what kind of positivity rate each one returns.

Charles Babbage

Charles Babbage wrote: »

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Fingers crossed it's just covid like symptoms

Colds definitely going around in Cork

Lot of parents getting it from school kids[/quote

According to Like O'Neill on Newstalk, research in Glasgow shows a rhinovirus will stop you getting Covid and will even drive out Covid.]

We should very quickly be able to formulate a vaccine made up entirely of 5 year old's snots

iamwhoiam

https://www.newstalk.com/news/luke-oneill-let-people-outdoors-more-and-theyll-be-less-likely-to-break-other-rules-1170275


Professor Luke O’Neill says Ireland is ‘in the thick’ of pandemic fatigue, and a change in approach is now needed.

The Trinity College immunologist says the five-kilometre travel restriction is one rule that ‘clearly’ needs to be changed by the Government, as it would stop people crowding into areas like their local park.

He said letting people do more outdoor activities more means they'll be less likely to break other rules - something that's been seen in past pandemics


Exactly what many ordinary people are saying as well .

Jim_Hodge

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Fingers crossed it's just covid like symptoms

Colds definitely going around in Cork

Lot of parents getting it from school kids

Any figures on this 'lots of parent' claim?

Kivaro

iamwhoiam wrote: »

https://www.newstalk.com/news/luke-oneill-let-people-outdoors-more-and-theyll-be-less-likely-to-break-other-rules-1170275


Professor Luke O’Neill says Ireland is ‘in the thick’ of pandemic fatigue, and a change in approach is now needed.

The Trinity College immunologist says the five-kilometre travel restriction is one rule that ‘clearly’ needs to be changed by the Government, as it would stop people crowding into areas like their local park.

He said letting people do more outdoor activities more means they'll be less likely to break other rules - something that's been seen in past pandemics


Exactly what many ordinary people are saying as well .

Completely logical.
Except the people in charge of restricting us are lacking logic.

covidrelease

iamwhoiam wrote: »

https://www.newstalk.com/news/luke-oneill-let-people-outdoors-more-and-theyll-be-less-likely-to-break-other-rules-1170275


Professor Luke O’Neill says Ireland is ‘in the thick’ of pandemic fatigue, and a change in approach is now needed.

The Trinity College immunologist says the five-kilometre travel restriction is one rule that ‘clearly’ needs to be changed by the Government, as it would stop people crowding into areas like their local park.

He said letting people do more outdoor activities more means they'll be less likely to break other rules - something that's been seen in past pandemics


Exactly what many ordinary people are saying as well .

Should have been undone on the last review, if we are in another wave then government and NPHET incompetence is to blame.

They are incapable of changing course and accepting their failures until there is a rebellion of sorts.

Passed a checkpoint in a rural hamlet today, 2 cops sitting in their car, I mean, what is the fcuking point of that, especially in an area near the bottom of the table for incidence rates.

Harpon

Sanjuro wrote: »

Well maybe they should have enforced working from home rather than just suggesting it. Because companies are so well-known for putting the welfare of their employees over profits. Jesus christ.

And also they should practice what they preach. You have to laugh at them giving out about people going into the office unnecessarily, while nphet are doing just that themselves, and worse, forcing journalists and camera crews to come in and cover their press conferences. The daily stats should be released on their website, with a q&a on a zoom call with journalists after.

gozunda

covidrelease wrote: »

Should have been undone on the last review, if we are in another wave then government and NPHET incompetence is to blame.

They are incapable of changing course and accepting their failures until there is a rebellion of sorts.

Passed a checkpoint in a rural hamlet today, 2 cops sitting in their car, I mean, what is the fcuking point of that, especially in an area near the bottom of the table for incidence rates.

We have "hamlets" :pac:

covidrelease

Harpon wrote: »

And also they should practice what they preach. You have to laugh at them giving out about people going into the office unnecessarily, while nphet are doing just that themselves, and worse, forcing journalists and camera crews to come in and cover their press conferences. The daily stats should be released on their website, with a q&a on a zoom call with journalists after.

1000% spot on. Absolute farce to be lecturing people when happily undertaking pointless journeys like turning up at the late late show or Martin going to a stupid United Ireland debate.

They should start by doing the press conferences on zoom.

timmyntc

gozunda wrote: »

The actual data from the HSPC shows that
some 63.3% of those in hospital with covid have underlying conditions. However the absolute majority of those with an underlying condition are those over the age of 65 years of age.

That doesnt prove what you think it does.
63% of those hospitalised have underlying conditions.
Over 65s are more likely to have an underlying condition.

Your data shows the % of underlying conditions in ALL confirmed cases across age brackets. Doesnt say anything about hospitalisation of age brackets with/without underlying condition.

Those 2 facts dont prove anything about the hospitalisation numbers for under 65s without underlying conditions.

The stats youve shown present no overlap between under 65 and underlying condition. So your claim that healthy u65s would fill up hospitals is baseless.

Eod100

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1375090605894799360?s=19

brick tamland

Really enjoy listening to Luke O'Neill, talks complete sense with no airs or graces about it. Almost sounds like a bloke you'll hear down the pub but with obviously way more knowledge behind it :-)

Couldn't agree more with his comments there. The only thing I would add is that meeting up in outside/parks should not only be allowed, it should be actively encouraged. If people can meet outdoors they are less likely to meet indoors and it will be great for everyone's mental health.

Kids outdoor sport a no brainer too

Banana Republic 1

Kivaro wrote: »

Completely logical.
Except the people in charge of restricting us are lacking logic.

They also are either bald or getting haircuts on the QT.

TheDoctor

Eod100 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1375090605894799360?s=19

Might get our first 100k dose week.

Rebelbrowser

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

Any figures on this 'lots of parent' claim?

Think he means colds, not covid. If so, from a number of annecdotal sources (a childcare worker, and a teacher and a GP, plus others on here) that is the case in Cork anyway.

marno21

Next week is the last week that can be filed under Q1.

It has to ramp up from here now.

95-105k next week. Big delivery from AstraZeneca at the end of the week with a big week required the following week. Pfizer ramping up then as well

Timmy O Toole

Media really churning out the "rampup in April" all day. Everything is always just 2 more weeks away isn't it.

Wolf359f

Timmy O Toole wrote: »

Media really churning out the "rampup in April" all day. Everything is always just 2 more weeks away isn't it.

It will ramp up, but the biggest week will be the last week of June more than likely, not the first week of April.

Renault 5

"HSE received just 9,600 doses of AstraZeneca vaccine last week – the lowest delivery to date"

Independent

brick tamland

brick tamland wrote: »

Really enjoy listening to Luke O'Neill, talks complete sense with no airs or graces about it. Almost sounds like a bloke you'll hear down the pub but with obviously way more knowledge behind it :-)

Couldn't agree more with his comments there. The only thing I would add is that meeting up in outside/parks should not only be allowed, it should be actively encouraged. If people can meet outdoors they are less likely to meet indoors and it will be great for everyone's mental health.

Kids outdoor sport a no brainer too

Cool hand Luke, hey guys listen to me I'm the cool teacher and I'm on your side....We should be happy that 1 year in on this nugget, that's when Luke decides to access the logical part of his brain???

Sweet.Science

Wolf359f wrote: »

It will ramp up, but the biggest week will be the last week of June more than likely, not the first week of April.

We were told numerous times one million a week by April

OwenM

Banana Republic 1 wrote: »

They are new viruses, your cousin is not identical to you but you are connected genetically

But it's not a 'new' novel virus. Vaccines and post infection immunity still work.

ek motor

covidrelease wrote: »

Should have been undone on the last review, if we are in another wave then government and NPHET incompetence is to blame.

They are incapable of changing course and accepting their failures until there is a rebellion of sorts.

Passed a checkpoint in a rural hamlet today, 2 cops sitting in their car, I mean, what is the fcuking point of that, especially in an area near the bottom of the table for incidence rates.

Get the overtime in while you can , moolah to be made !

Wolf359f

Sweet.Science wrote: »

We were told numerous times one million a week by April

Where is this 1mil a week lie coming from?

Ha Long Bay

Sweet.Science wrote: »

We were told numerous times one million a week by April

No we weren't.

Over 1m vaccine doses per month expected

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0220/1198359-vaccine-roll-out/

Banana Republic 1

OwenM wrote: »

But it's not a 'new' novel virus. Vaccines and post infection immunity still work.

AstraZeneca are giving dude vaccines to South Africa so are they.

Brazilian P1 is also bucking the immunity trend.

ek motor

Banana Republic 1 wrote: »

AstraZeneca are giving dude vaccines to South Africa so are they.

Brazilian P1 is also bucking the immunity trend.

Wha?

gozunda

timmyntc wrote: »

That doesnt prove what you think it does.
63% of those hospitalised have underlying conditions. Over 65s are more likely to have an underlying condition. Your data shows the % of underlying conditions in ALL confirmed cases across age brackets. Doesnt say anything about hospitalisation of age brackets with/without underlying condition.Those 2 facts dont prove anything about the hospitalisation numbers for under 65s without underlying conditions. The stats youve shown present no overlap between under 65 and underlying condition. *So your claim that healthy u65s would fill up hospitals is baseless.

Nope. * Btw where did I say that?

I made no claims about the data other than what it details.

What the additional data to my original point does show - is that those under 65 have a much lower rate of underlying conditions than those over 65

You on the othehand have made a number of unfounded claims without any data whatsoever to back them up.

This for instance.

timmyntc wrote:

....Relatively few healthy under 65s end up in hospital

But more importantly I've never claimed

"timmyntc wrote:

" that healthy u65s would fill up hospitals"

What I've clearly stated was that approx 50% of all those in hospital with covid are under 65 as seen from the data of the 14 day HSPC incidence reports.

You came out with the idea that it's mainly unhealthy under 65s who fill up hospitals or wtte but subsequently have failed to show what you've claimed is in any way true.

Lucas Hood

604 positive swabs, 3.39% positivity on 17,821 tests.
7 day test positivity is 3.8%.

hynesie08

Sweet.Science wrote: »

We were told numerous times one million a week by April

What's the appeal of lieing on the internet when anybody can correct you in seconds?