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Covid 19 Part XXXIV-249,437 ROI(4,906 deaths) 120,195 NI (2,145 deaths)(01/05)Read OP

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  • Registered Users Posts: 784 ✭✭✭daydorunrun


    gozunda wrote: »
    From a hospital number prospective- over 50% of all covid cases in hospitals are under 65. And looking at the stats - that's been a fairly consistent features of hospital numbers.

    These are younger age groups who are sick enough to require specialist medical intervention

    As to the usual rejoinder about underlying conditions - I believe the point is that a proportion of all age groups have underlying conditions whether that is asthma, diabetes and other conditions.

    And as someone has already pointed out the number of serious cases in the younger groups has been a small percentage. A small percentage of a big number can still be a relatively big number.

    You keep using the 50% under 65 stat (without linking the source I might add) that should be the case now with older more vulnerable people vaccinated- the age profile of the most at risk group drops as the previous at risk group is vaccinated. Also you assume they were all admitted to hospital because they were sick with covid, there is a strong possibility that a fair percentage were admitted for a myriad of reasons only to be then tested and confirmed as a covid case. I know of 3 people this has happened to.

    “You tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try.” Homer.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    timmyntc wrote: »
    Deaths and hospitalisations (deaths in particular) under 65s are overwhelmingly among those with underlying conditions. Relatively few healthy under 65s end up in hospital


    Do they? Perhaps you could provide some actual data showing the proportions of those under 65s with covid and underlying conditions in hospitals?

    The fact is - its irrelevant what the divide between healthy and unhealthy is under 65. The fact is younger age groups still make up a significant proportion of those in hospital with covid.

    This constant us and them mentality really helps nothing.

    As stated whlist the number of serious cases in the younger groups has been a small percentage. A small percentage of a big number is still a big number.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    Leftwaffe wrote: »
    Does it? I don’t see much talk about this UK variant in the UK. We’re more afraid of it than they are

    Children have died from it over there.


  • Registered Users Posts: 271 ✭✭Galwayhurl


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    700k of the most vulnerable who would end up in hospital have had at least 1 shot at this stage. Why would we continue to see increased hospitalisations?

    The focus only on the case numbers needs to come to an end asap.

    It's 495,000 no? 495,000 people have received the first dose and of them, 185,000 have received the second.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,837 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    Galwayhurl wrote: »
    It's 495,000 no? 495,000 people have received the first dose and of them, 185,000 have received the second.

    Add them together . Near 700k have got at least 1 dose


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  • Registered Users Posts: 271 ✭✭Galwayhurl


    Add them together

    That's the number of doses. Not the number of people.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,933 ✭✭✭Anita Blow


    Roger_007 wrote: »
    Does the DOH or the HSE release figures for the overall number of patients in hospital. My brother was in hospital last week for a non-Covid related procedure. He said that every second bed was empty. Of course, as no visitors are allowed, nobody else can see this.

    I'm a doctor. I've worked in multiple hospitals throughout the pandemic. Apart from the first few weeks where hospitals were cleared out in anticipation of a surge, at no point have I experienced a hospital that was half empty. Excess capacity created by cancellation of elective procedures was largely taken up by other acute care and there has been a gradual resumption of elective stuff since the Summer. I have however had troglodytes shout at me on my way in to work that the hospital was empty on the inside and it was all a conspiracy.

    My current hospital has had to go off-call the last two weekends I've worked this month (IE- No hospital beds available so ambulances have to be diverted to other hospitals) and it is not a small regional hospital.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    lawred2 wrote: »
    Variants dubbed as new viruses supports the lockdown narrative

    They are new viruses, your cousin is not identical to you but you are connected genetically


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,205 ✭✭✭Lucas Hood


    Add them together . Near 700k have got at least 1 dose

    You don't add them together.. The number of people who have got at least 1 dose as of Monday is 503,796 of that 186,653 have got a 2nd dose.


  • Registered Users Posts: 271 ✭✭Galwayhurl


    Lucas Hood wrote: »
    You don't add them together.. The number of people who have got at least 1 dose as of Monday is 503,796 of that 186,653 have got a 2nd dose.

    Correct. We passed the 10% of the population mark (having received at least one dose) in the last 48 hours.

    Population is 4.9 million.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,269 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    OK.

    In January Leo said that non covid full health care wouldn't resume until icu numbers are below 50. Therefore we can't consider any relaxation of resteictions until we have less than 50 in icu.

    We're at 75 in icu now. Do you feel that they can consider opening society if they can't reopen non covid care.

    Cases are seen as a predictor of future icu and hospital rather than their own item.
    I believe nolan has changed the formula he uses to estimate icu in 2 weeks time based on the vaccinated cohort.

    In general cases increase before hospitals so they are a leading metric that will allow us to predict hospitals in a few weeks time.

    That was true in the past but is likely to be not true going forward. As vaccination takes hold I would expect case and hospital numbers to decouple from one another.

    We are probably not at that point yet, but when we do is likely we will be able to tolerate far far higher amounts in the community when we do.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,634 ✭✭✭Doctor Jimbob


    They are new viruses, your cousin is not identical to you but you are connected genetically

    Your cousin isn't a different species either.

    I assume.


  • Registered Users Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    You keep using the 50% under 65 stat (without linking the source I might add) that should be the case now with older more vulnerable people vaccinated- the age profile of the most at risk group drops as the previous at risk group is vaccinated. Also you assume they were all admitted to hospital because they were sick with covid, there is a strong possibility that a fair percentage were admitted for a myriad of reasons only to be then tested and confirmed as a covid case. I know of 3 people this has happened to.

    I've provided serval links btw. Take a look at the 14 day incidents reports and do the stats yourself if you don't believe the figures

    Here's the most recent one I linked to previously

    https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/surveillance/covid-1914-dayepidemiologyreports/COVID-19_14_day_epidemiology_WEB%20report_20210323_v1.0.pdf

    See table 6.

    And again you can check the same link for heathcare acquired infections (both patients and staff) which I believe is at approx 2% for all age groups. And that's not just hospitals btw but all health care settings.

    It remains approx 50% of all those in hospital
    with covid atm are under 65s. And that’s not a recent change either.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,205 ✭✭✭Lucas Hood


    Galwayhurl wrote: »
    Correct. We passed the 10% of the population mark (having received at least one dose) in the last 48 hours.

    Population is 4.9 million.


    Or 13.5% of the adult population which seems a better metric to report as adults only get the vaccine currently.

    https://twitter.com/IrelandVaccine/status/1375035746441162756?s=20


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    Your cousin isn't a different species either.

    I assume.

    Its like comparing Jaws and Jaws 2 they're a similar film but a different shark.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,837 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    Lucas Hood wrote: »
    You don't add them together.. The number of people who have got at least 1 dose as of Monday is 503,796 of that 186,653 have got a 2nd dose.

    Oh god . Pathetic stuff


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,205 ✭✭✭Lucas Hood


    Oh god . Pathetic stuff

    What's pathetic stuff?

    Your logic??


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,971 ✭✭✭normanoffside


    Children have died from it over there.

    Really, any evidence of this?

    Remember that story going around in the New Year about an entire ward full of children in a hospital from Covid?

    Turns out it was a lie spouted by a member of the UK equivalent of ISAG. There were actually only 2 kids in the hospital mentioned the day after the person made the claim.

    https://citizenjournos.com/2021/03/10/confirmed-there-wasnt-a-whole-ward-of-covid-children-as-claimed-by-laura-duffell-of-kings-college-hospital/


  • Registered Users Posts: 271 ✭✭Galwayhurl


    Lucas Hood wrote: »
    What's pathetic stuff?

    Your logic??

    Ah no, I think he means the government's/EU's performance.


  • Registered Users Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    Roger_007 wrote: »
    Does the DOH or the HSE release figures for the overall number of patients in hospital. My brother was in hospital last week for a non-Covid related procedure. He said that every second bed was empty. Of course, as no visitors are allowed, nobody else can see this.

    Afaik from relatives working in healthcare - is that 1. Services have been maximised for the provision and treatment of covid related patients and 2. For the purposes of helping to reduce the risk of infection- spacing between all patients has been increased. Some wards have taken beds out. Othes apparently leave unoccupied beds between patients.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 348 ✭✭Timmy O Toole


    A freedom of information request regarding the amount of healthy kids that died from covid in the UK, it was less than 3.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,778 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    A freedom of information request regarding the amount of healthy kids that died from covid in the UK, it was less than 3.
    good


  • Registered Users Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    timmyntc wrote: »
    Our GDP grew by 3.4% last year - our GDP has not been an accurate measure of our economy for several years. The EU and EuroStat were raising this issue years ago. Our GDP is inflated by asset & IP transfers to this country, among other assets. As well as multinational performance - multinationals do well globally, it is reflected in our GDP (despite us seeing little to no benefit from it). The correct metric is adjusted GNI, which did not grow by 3.4% last year. Not even close.

    I'm well aware its GDP. And it's our GDP performance compared against other EU countries GDP performance. And yes I know about recent GNI recommendations. But in the absence of any current comparable GNI figures - GDP figures remain a principle metric used across the EU. As for multinationals here - its a fact we do see significant benefits with regard to active employment, exports and investment. And yes I know its fashionable to see multinationals as evil - but the fact is without them Irelands economy would be up ****s creek without a paddle atm


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,837 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    Galwayhurl wrote: »
    Ah no, I think he means the government's/EU's performance.

    Not their fault apparently . It's just the supply

    So whose fault is the supply issue

    Oh yes EU / Government


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,901 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    gozunda wrote: »
    Do they? Perhaps you could provide some actual data showing the proportions of those under 65s with underlying conditions in hospitals?

    The fact is - its irrelevant what the divide between healthy and unhealthy is under 65. The fact is younger age groups still make up a significant proportion of those in hospital with covid.

    This constant us and them mentality really helps nothing.

    As stated whlist the number of serious cases in the younger groups has been a small percentage. A small percentage of a big number is still a big number. There is also some string evidence that the new strains are affecting younger age groups in larger numbers.

    CSO breakdowns with underlying conditions are a month behind or so.
    Also there is no handy breakdown of all hospitalisations so will have to dig through spreadsheets

    Underlying Condition | Deaths | Median Age | Total Cases | Median Age
    Underlying medical condition other than COVID-19 | 2,787 | 83 |29,418 | 55
    No underlying medical condition other than COVID-19 | 365 | 84 |151,673 | 35
    Unknown| 261 | 83| 22,518 | 38
    ||||
    Total | 3,621 | 203,609 | 38|
    Confirmed cases |3,413 | 83 |203,609 | 38
    Probable cases | 208 | ? | 0 | ?

    Actually there is a weekly breakdown including underlying conditions of those hospitalised - no cumulative totals but its astart.
    see below:
    Category | 20/11 | 27/11 | 04/12 | 11/12 | 18/12 | 25/12 | 01/01 | 08/01 | 15/01* | 22/01* | 29/01* | 05/02*
    of which admitted to hospital ||||||||||||
    Underlying clinical conditions ||||||||||||
    Yes | 61% | 61% | 61% | 61% | 61% | 61% | 61% | 61% | 61% | 61% | 47% | 47%
    No | 20% | 20% |20%| 20% |20%| 20%| 20%| 20%| 20%| 20%| 39% |39%
    Not Specified |19%| 19% |19% |19%| 19%| 19% |19% |19% |19% |19% |14%| 14%

    of which Admitted to ICU
    Underlying clinical conditions
    Yes | 87% |87% |87% |87%| 87%| 87%| 84%| 81% |81% |81% |80% |80%
    No|13% |13%| 13%|13% |13%| 13% |12%| 12%| 12% |12%| 13% |13%
    Not Specified |0%| 0%| 0%|0% |0% |0%| 4%| 7%| 7%| 7%| 7%| 7%


    Over half of all hospitalised had an underlying condition.
    Over 80% of those in ICU had an underlying condition.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,034 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    Seems to be big queues for the Grangegorman walk in centre


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,578 ✭✭✭JDD


    gozunda wrote: »
    I'm well aware its GDP. And it's our GDP as compared against other EU countries GDP performance. And yes I know about recent GNI recommendations. But in the absence of any current comparable GNI figures - GDP figures remain the used a principle metric across the EU. As for multinationals here - its a fact we do see significant benefits with regard to active employment, exports and investment. And yes I know its fashionable to see multinationals as evil - but the fact is without them Irelands economy would be up ****s creek without a paddle atm

    GDP is a useless measure for determining how covid has effected our economy. It is particularly useless as a comparative measure between ourselves and other EU countries.

    If you want a good overview of how restrictions and lockdowns have affected the Irish economy, read the Central Bank's opening statement to the Budgetary JOC delivered on Tuesday https://www.centralbank.ie/news/article/speech-opening-statement-mark-cassidy-oireachtas-committee-23-mar-2021

    TL:DR We won't be back at January 2020 levels for another two years. In the meantime, significant (though reducing) numbers will remain on some form of pandemic supports.

    The continued closure of housing construction will be particularly destructive. There are so many knock on effects of increasing house prices that a large swathe of the population are going to feel the economic aftershocks of covid lockdowns for many years to come.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,222 ✭✭✭✭Father Hernandez


    https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1375054138740989956?s=20

    We may as well give up.

    Thought 6 was a typo.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 171 ✭✭Renault 5


    Lucas Hood wrote: »
    What's pathetic stuff?

    Your logic??


    Ive seen alot of people getting confused thinking there are more people vaccinated then there actually is.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 45,261 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    Not their fault apparently . It's just the supply

    So whose fault is the supply issue

    Oh yes EU / Government

    So the people contracted to supply the vaccines aren't responsible for supplying the vaccines.

    Thats pretty sweet for them.


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