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Covid 19 Part XXXIII-231,484 ROI(4,610 deaths)116,197 NI (2,107 deaths)(23/03)Read OP

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  • #7502
    Astrid Miniature Veteran
    Posts: 2,825 ✭✭✭ Astrid Miniature Veteran


    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    Alan Kelly just looking for headlines i think

    Nothing new there. He's just looking for a few followers the power hungry twat.


  • #7503
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,863 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Monster249 wrote: »
    Did I say that either? I regularly apologize when I feel I have been too assuming. I called you out because you contradict yourself repeatedly and then accuse people of misunderstanding you when they try to debate you.

    Block me if you can as it saves me the trouble of remembering to put you on ignore when I'm on my laptop. Thanks.

    I don't contradict myself repeatedly. Just now and then;)
    But I am not a black and white person and my experience in work and life means that I do see things from a different perspective , just as many others do here .
    I think that adds to the interest that some posters can't be put in a box with a label , and those with seemingly different politics or views can agree , following discussion , or agree to disagree .
    That is after all why a lot of us post here , for debate.
    But it requires a little bit of ability to listen and examine what another poster is saying and where they are coming from .
    When tensions are high that ability tends to go out the window ,for some not all .
    I admit I am guilty often and do have to apologise for running off a bit sometimes.
    But you are not perfect either .
    By all means scroll past or ignore if you find my posts irrelevant but thankfully not everyone feels the same.
    All of us have something to contribute here .

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  • #7504
    Faugheen
    Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    A well articulated comment.

    But on the counter argument, NPHET and its members aren’t exactly camera shy and they did advise government last year on what their remit should entail.

    They obviously agreed to the daily press conference last Spring and, at the time of course, they faced no criticism.

    The sum total of their living with Covid advice since last August appears to be additional mitigation measures to level 5 and tweets from their social media accounts

    Unfortunately for NPHET, they are fast becoming proof of the saying “You either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain.”

    The problem is lockdowns should be implemented while there are rigorous track and trace systems and other infrastructure being put in place.

    NPHET has recommended:

    - retroactive contact tracing to get a better understanding of where the virus is being picked up in the community
    - mandatory quarantine for everyone arriving into the country since last May

    One hasn’t been done, the other hasn’t even been half done. Why is that NPHET’s fault? They aren’t responsible for implementing this.

    The reason why we keep finding ourselves here is because the government has spent the best part of a year ignoring them and now they’re hiding behind them.

    They spend millions per year on a sh*tload of advisors and communications strategies and leave an under-resourced Department to take all the flak.

    Ronan Glynn is being forced to answer questions the actual decision-makers should be answering. MM refused to answer it today and f*ck knows where Donnelly is.


  • #7505
    shamco
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 273 ✭✭shamco


    Faugheen wrote: »
    The problem is lockdowns should be implemented while there are rigorous track and trace systems and other infrastructure being put in place.

    NPHET has recommended:

    - retroactive contact tracing to get a better understanding of where the virus is being picked up in the community
    - mandatory quarantine for everyone arriving into the country since last May

    One hasn’t been done, the other hasn’t even been half done. Why is that NPHET’s fault? They aren’t responsible for implementing this.

    The reason why we keep finding ourselves here is because the government has spent the best part of a year ignoring them and now they’re hiding behind them.

    They spend millions per year on a sh*tload of advisors and communications strategies and leave an under-resourced Department to take all the flak.

    Ronan Glynn is being forced to answer questions the actual decision-makers should be answering. MM refused to answer it today and f*ck knows where Donnelly is.
    You're dead right in your last point. Spineless politicians


  • #7506
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,863 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Faugheen wrote: »
    The problem is lockdowns should be implemented while there are rigorous track and trace systems and other infrastructure being put in place.

    NPHET has recommended:

    - retroactive contact tracing to get a better understanding of where the virus is being picked up in the community
    - mandatory quarantine for everyone arriving into the country since last May

    One hasn’t been done, the other hasn’t even been half done. Why is that NPHET’s fault? They aren’t responsible for implementing this.

    The reason why we keep finding ourselves here is because the government has spent the best part of a year ignoring them and now they’re hiding behind them.

    They spend millions per year on a sh*tload of advisors and communications strategies and leave an under-resourced Department to take all the flak.

    Ronan Glynn is being forced to answer questions the actual decision-makers should be answering. MM refused to answer it today and f*ck knows where Donnelly is.

    Totally agree .
    If NPHET had let it up to government to do the talking , fvck knows where we would be by now.
    And people would be on here saying " NPHET should be guiding us, they are the public health experts after all " !
    Government are so useless even Boris us showing them up.

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  • #7507
    Tyrone212
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,570 ✭✭✭Tyrone212


    I always thought they should have gotten the army to do track and trace, or at least help. They wouldn't be overwhelmed as they have been so many times, at least it would have taken much longer to get to that stage.

    And they let staff go when numbers are low, if the army were doing it, they could go back and forth depending on the current cases instead of hiring new staff when cases start to shoot up. I would also have a lot of faith in the army to do a thorough and professional job.


  • #7508
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,802 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Faugheen wrote: »
    The problem is lockdowns should be implemented while there are rigorous track and trace systems and other infrastructure being put in place.

    NPHET has recommended:

    - retroactive contact tracing to get a better understanding of where the virus is being picked up in the community
    - mandatory quarantine for everyone arriving into the country since last May

    One hasn’t been done, the other hasn’t even been half done. Why is that NPHET’s fault? They aren’t responsible for implementing this.

    The reason why we keep finding ourselves here is because the government has spent the best part of a year ignoring them and now they’re hiding behind them.

    They spend millions per year on a sh*tload of advisors and communications strategies and leave an under-resourced Department to take all the flak.

    Ronan Glynn is being forced to answer questions the actual decision-makers should be answering. MM refused to answer it today and f*ck knows where Donnelly is.

    That is all a fair point but surely we should question why NPHET ever agreed to hold a press conference in the first place?

    I still don’t know why NPHET thought a daily press conference would ever be beneficial

    It’s literally exposing them to fallout when it goes pear shaped, and it now has unfortunately considering we had already had by far the longest business closures days in the EU with months more planned.

    NPHET should have advised government and allowed a government appointed spokesman to address the media and nation

    NPHET fell into the trap, and now they are first in the firing line


  • #7509
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,863 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Tyrone212 wrote: »
    I always thought they should have gotten the army to do track and trace, or at least help. They wouldn't be overwhelmed as they have been so many times, at least it would have taken much longer to get to that stage.

    And they let staff go when numbers are low, if the army were doing it, they could go back and forth depending on the current cases instead of hiring new staff when cases start to shoot up. I would also have a lot of faith in the army to do a thorough and professional job.

    They did have them doing it until last Summer afaik

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  • #7510
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,526 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Tyrone212 wrote: »
    I always thought they should have gotten the army to do track and trace, or at least help. They wouldn't be overwhelmed as they have been so many times, at least it would have taken much longer to get to that stage.

    And they let staff go when numbers are low, if the army were doing it, they could go back and forth depending on the current cases instead of hiring new staff when cases start to shoot up. I would also have a lot of faith in the army to do a thorough and professional job.

    They did / do have the army helping with public health calls.

    They were back doing it again in January when public health were over run. Plenty of images floating around of soldiers in contact tracing centres.

    Army were also running testing centres and are now helping with turning some centres into vaccination centres with army medics in some centres.


  • #7511
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,863 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    That is all a fair point but surely we should question why NPHET ever agreed to hold a press conference in the first place?

    I still don’t know why NPHET thought a daily press conference would ever be beneficial

    It’s literally exposing them to fallout when it goes pear shaped, and it now has unfortunately considering we had already had by far the longest business closures days in the EU with months more planned.

    NPHET should have advised government and allowed a government appointed spokesman to address the media and nation

    NPHET fell into the trap, and now they are first in the firing line

    Certainly did .
    The briefings are not usually daily now for a long time , btw .
    Today was a special case because of the reauthorization of the AZ vaccine.
    Usually only twice weekly .
    Should be done with government ministers there to take flak , or aggressive questions ( ?) .

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  • #7512
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    Posts: 6,775 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The biweekly NPHET conference should not exist.

    If it's to appear at all, it should be the Taoiseach or Minister for Health leading the press conference - aided by 1 or 2 health experts who advise the government - (similar to how the UK does it).

    The model the Irish government has approached is one of abject abdication of all responsibility.

    Even from all cabinet members, you could not assemble a solitary spine between them.


  • #7513
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,802 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    You know what, I criticise NPHET often enough but you're spot on here. Government really need to step up and stop hiding behind advisors.

    There is certainly truth in that, but NPHET need to step back from the public broadcast’s.

    They are making it too easy for MM at present

    He has no appetite to remove them from the questioning


  • #7514
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,863 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    They did / do have the army helping with public health calls.

    They were back doing it again in January when public health were over run. Plenty of images floating around of soldiers in contact tracing centres.

    Army were also running testing centres and are now helping with turning some centres into vaccination centres with army medics in some centres.

    Army doing logistics in vaccination centres .
    They are super organised !

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  • #7515
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,526 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    Army doing logistics in vaccination centres .
    They are super organised !

    Absolutely. No messing around, in there to do a job and they get it done with unbelievable efficiency.


  • #7516
    Faugheen
    Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    There is certainly truth in that, but NPHET need to step back from the public broadcast’s.

    They are making it too easy for MM at present

    He has no appetite to remove them from the questioning

    See I think it's important to keep everyone up to date with where we are. As time has gone on I think the Thursday one is the only one of real substance because of the modelling update. Mondays are just a rehash of the previous Thursday. A weekly briefing is appropriate, like they have in the UK.

    There should also be a Minister there, also like in the UK, whether it's MM, Leo or Donnelly. What we have learned this week is that Ronan Glynn, a civil servant, should not be answering the questions around easing of restrictions. He knows that too and even said as much last night that he doesn't want the headlines to be about easing of restrictions. Those questions need to be answered by the government and not by a hard-working civil servant who, by his own admission, isn't qualified to talk about the impacts of the economy and society.

    I think it is in the interest of public health that these briefings are held but NPHET shouldn't be hung out to dry. Government needs to step out from the shadows and work with them, not against them.


  • #7517
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,863 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    There is certainly truth in that, but NPHET need to step back from the public broadcast’s.

    They are making it too easy for MM at present

    He has no appetite to remove them from the questioning

    Maybe one briefing with the ministers, and one doing the science bit ?

    Have to say I like the Thursday Epidemiological reports from Nolan , even though I give out about his head getting in the way of the graphs .

    When the world eventually goes go back to normal, I will find myself looking at my watch on Thursday evenings ..and will go out for a drink to celebrate that that weird science has gone !

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  • #7518
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,863 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Absolutely. No messing around, in there to do a job and they get it done with unbelievable efficiency.

    Worked with some ex army nurses in England .
    Wow ,your feet wouldn't touch the ground ! ;)

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  • #7519
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,802 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Absolutely. No messing around, in there to do a job and they get it done with unbelievable efficiency.

    Interestingly when talking about the Irish army and organisation, the Irish army Ranger counter terrorism unit is one of the highest trained and regarded units in the world

    Irrelevant of course but I found it interesting


  • #7520
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,863 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    Interestingly when talking about the Irish army and organisation, the Irish army Ranger counter terrorism unit is one of the highest trained and regarded units in the world

    Irrelevant of course but I found it interesting

    Why is that? Because of theTroubles?

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  • #7521
    normanoffside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,256 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    Deleted User wrote: »
    The biweekly NPHET conference should not exist.

    If it's to appear at all, it should be the Taoiseach or Minister for Health leading the press conference - aided by 1 or 2 health experts who advise the government - (similar to how the UK does it).

    The model the Irish government has approached is one of abject abdication of all responsibility.

    Even from all cabinet members, you could not assemble a solitary spine between them.

    In the restrictions thread we have only been saying this for the last 9 months at this stage.


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  • #7522
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,863 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    normanoffside wrote: »
    In the restrictions thread we have only been saying this for the last 9 months at this stage.

    Threads merged ! :)

    Sorry Beasty, only joking :0

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  • #7523
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,432 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    Why is that? Because of theTroubles?

    Sssh! We can't talk about it.


  • #7524
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,526 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    HSE Operations report

    329 in hospital, down from 334

    87 of which are in ICU, up from 81. 1 death in last 24hrs


  • #7525
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,863 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    HSE Operations report

    329 in hospital, down from 334

    87 of which are in ICU, up from 81. 1 death in last 24hrs

    Good .
    Numbers going down for the weekend hopefully in hospital .
    ICU stubborn still .

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  • #7526
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,863 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    A bit worried tbh about Dublin numbers and admissions to Dublin hospitals .

    Most of the rest of the country seems to be under control.

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  • #7527
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,053 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    Deleted User wrote: »
    The biweekly NPHET conference should not exist.

    If it's to appear at all, it should be the Taoiseach or Minister for Health leading the press conference - aided by 1 or 2 health experts who advise the government - (similar to how the UK does it).
    Yeah, a biweekly address from Martin and Donnelly would really inspire public confidence, understanding, and adherence...


  • #7528
    Monster249
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 268 ✭✭Monster249


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    HSE Operations report

    329 in hospital, down from 334

    87 of which are in ICU, up from 81. 1 death in last 24hrs

    The link between the hospital numbers and ICU numbers seems to have become disconnected over the last few months.


  • #7529
    Monster249
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 268 ✭✭Monster249


    Ficheall wrote: »
    Yeah, a biweekly address from Martin and Donnelly would really inspire public confidence, understanding, and adherence...

    Varadkar and Harris were actually tolerable, Martin & Donnelly really are so annoyingly dour.


  • #7530
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,863 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Monster249 wrote: »
    The link between the hospital numbers and ICU numbers seems to have become disconnected over the last few months.

    Some of those in ICU have been there a long time at this stage .
    Cases slowing down admission wise to critical care according to the numbers hospitalised but some of these people don't get better quickly .

    As a result only 2 ICU beds left open in Dublin hospitals.

    Still over 65s becoming ill as not vaccinated yet .

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  • #7531
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,177 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    Monster249 wrote: »
    Varadkar and Harris were actually tolerable, Martin & Donnelly really are so annoyingly dour.

    Varadkar is a better public speaker / communicator than Martin alright . He just let's himself down by being a sociopath

    A mix of the 2 would probably work but unfortunately we are left with one of each

    As an aside . Fianna Fail will be destroyed at the next election . This could be the end for them


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