COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

Sconsey · 24-02-2021 01:10PM

Deleted User wrote: »

My spouse is on the list for group 4 severe COPD. Should we expect a text or call whenever it is time? Anyone any idea how long before group 4 will be called. Thanks.

Too early to say for sure. There are about 425,000 people over the age of 70, plus lets say 300,000 HCW (that second figure is a pure guess).

So there are roughly 700 - 750K in group 1, 2 and 3. Roughly 350k have already got at least one dose. Means about 400k left to do before group 4.

Assuming they can do 100K a week I would guess group 4 will start sometime in the first two weeks of April.

freddie_ · 24-02-2021 01:16PM

Based on the new vaccine figures is there any information on when each group would be expected to start being vaccinated?

ypres5 · 24-02-2021 01:20PM

Irish Stones wrote: »

AstraZeneca has announced a further 50% cut in supplies between April and June. Is it something that will aaffect the whole EU or just a few countries that are less smart than others?
Meanwhile the Sputnik V vaccine has landed within Italian borders, in San Marino, 7.5k doses arrived yesterday, more will come in a couple of weeks.

i really think it's time we considered looking at our options with the sputnik and sinopharm vaccines even just as a backup option or to use for low risk groups

PhoenixParker · 24-02-2021 01:22PM

Deleted User wrote: »

My spouse is on the list for group 4 severe COPD. Should we expect a text or call whenever it is time? Anyone any idea how long before group 4 will be called. Thanks.

Assuming they're using Astra Zeneca, I'd say you'll hear of a plan in the next 2 weeks and you're probably looking at mid March-Mid April for the first dose.

The over 70s are a separate stream now, getting Moderna & Pfizer. The rest of the healthcare workers and then groups 4 onwards will run in parallel. Most of the healthcare workers have a 1st dose by now so they're starting to tee up the group 4 plans.

There's been mention of the online Registration going live to the public in early March. That's your best guide.

ypres5 · 24-02-2021 01:23PM

Knex* wrote: »

My immediate reaction to that line is that you would think not vaccinating people at all will lead to a greater risk, surely?

it sounds like more off the cuff bull**** from the government like the uk variant being like a whole new virus. i really wish they faced more scrutiny when they spread this manure if johnson or trump did the same they'd be lambasted

24-02-2021 01:26PM

ypres5 wrote: »

i really think it's time we considered looking at our options with the sputnik and sinopharm vaccines even just as a backup option or to use for low risk groups

AZ revealed they would only be able to supply 50% of the Q2 order through the EU supply chain. An overzealous official seems to have ran with this and got a story published in Reuters saying AZ would only deliver 50% of their Q2 orders. AZ have since come back and said the will meet thhe rest of the order though their global supply chain. Whoever leaked this to Reuters should be embarrassed today

marno21 · 24-02-2021 01:26PM

ypres5 wrote: »

i really think it's time we considered looking at our options with the sputnik and sinopharm vaccines even just as a backup option or to use for low risk groups

From the Living with Covid document it would appear that the current supply issues dry up in Q2 and becomes a challenge to use them as they come in then.

We’re looking at 300k per week at the end of Q2 which will be more than enough to get this done rather quickly.

Cork2021 · 24-02-2021 01:31PM

AstraZeneca will meet their targets it seems! Loads of kite flying again!

https://twitter.com/pharmaphorum/status/1364551678138191877?s=21

atilladehun · 24-02-2021 01:49PM

PhoenixParker wrote: »

Assuming they're using Astra Zeneca, I'd say you'll hear of a plan in the next 2 weeks and you're probably looking at mid March-Mid April for the first dose.

The over 70s are a separate stream now, getting Moderna & Pfizer. The rest of the healthcare workers and then groups 4 onwards will run in parallel. Most of the healthcare workers have a 1st dose by now so they're starting to tee up the group 4 plans.

There's been mention of the online Registration going live to the public in early March. That's your best guide.

I'm in group 4 now too. It says mRNA is preferable but not essential for that group.

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0223/1198926-vaccine-rollout-strategy/

seamus · 24-02-2021 01:51PM

Knex* wrote: »

My immediate reaction to that line is that you would think not vaccinating people at all will lead to a greater risk, surely?

Short-term, perhaps. It's the longer-term that needs to be considered.

Delaying the doses (beyond what's been proven to work) runs the risk that you will fall short of herd immunity targets, especially if more resistant variants enter the mix.

With stretching the doses, basically what you're doing is deciding that you would rather more people had received one dose now, and it took you longer to reach full vaccination rates.

It's in that gap where the danger lies.

hmmm · 24-02-2021 01:51PM

I wonder if the Scottish data will change anything. I know this was posted before, but worth a reminder:
https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n523

"The results, available as a preprint, showed that four weeks after the first doses of the Pfizer BioNTech and Oxford AstraZeneca vaccines were administered the risk of hospitalisation from covid-19 fell by up to 85% (95% confidence interval 76 to 91) and 94% (95% CI 73 to 99), respectively."

KrustyUCC · 24-02-2021 01:57PM

Nana got her vaccine today

Next one in a month's time

Going to be fantastic relief to know she's done

Micky 32 · 24-02-2021 01:59PM

What are realistic thoughts on international travel once we are all vaccinated? With all these calls of mandatory quarantine and hikes in fines at the airports is this something that could be around for the rest of our lifetimes ( just in case a new variant pops up narrative) despite vaccinations? Was there anything in the living with COVID plan about it?

I have zero interest in jetting off for sun holidays but majorly concerned because like lots of people have family abroad. Even though it would be a last resort i could be in a position to emigrate if i had to or at least live in either country for periods.

Micky 32 · 24-02-2021 02:00PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Nana got her vaccine today

Next one in a month's time

Going to be fantastic relief to know she's done

My partners mother is getting hers on Friday aged 88.

Water John · 24-02-2021 02:01PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

What are realistic thoughts on international travel once we are all vaccinated? With all these calls of mandatory quarantine and hikes in fines at the airports is this something that could be around for the rest of our lifetimes ( just in case a new variant pops up narrative) despite vaccinations? Was there anything in the living with COVID plan about it?

I have zero interest in jetting off for sun holidays but majorly concerned because like lots of people have family abroad. Even though it would be a last resort i could be in a position to emigrate if i had to or at least live in either country for periods.

Don't see an issue generally by late Summer.

KrustyUCC · 24-02-2021 02:03PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

What are realistic thoughts on international travel once we are all vaccinated? With all these calls of mandatory quarantine and hikes in fines at the airports is this something that could be around for the rest of our lifetimes ( just in case a new variant pops up narrative) despite vaccinations? Was there anything in the living with COVID plan about it?

I have zero interest in jetting off for sun holidays but majorly concerned because like lots of people have family abroad. Even though it would be a last resort i could be in a position to emigrate if i had to or at least live in either country for periods.

Nothing much really

Further measures to increase public health protections and to deter non-essential travel will continue
to be advanced.
 Restrictions on international travel will need to be kept under constant review to ensure travel does
not become a weak link in our response as domestic transmission is brought under control.
 Government will continue to balance the imposition of such restrictions, and its impact on morbidity
and mortality associated with the disease, with protecting civil liberties.

It's very hard to argue for keeping very tough restrictions on international travel when people are vaccinated but no doubt the government and NPHET will try for as long as they can get away with

24-02-2021 02:03PM

Deleted User wrote: »

AZ revealed they would only be able to supply 50% of the Q2 order through the EU supply chain. An overzealous official seems to have ran with this and got a story published in Reuters saying AZ would only deliver 50% of their Q2 orders. AZ have since come back and said the will meet thhe rest of the order though their global supply chain. Whoever leaked this to Reuters should be embarrassed today

Not sure this adds up when the Irish government's published document took the reduction into account. That document would have been drawn up before the story was published. Has to be more to it than an error like that.

Le Bruise · 24-02-2021 02:04PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

What are realistic thoughts on international travel once we are all vaccinated? With all these calls of mandatory quarantine and hikes in fines at the airports is this something that could be around for the rest of our lifetimes ( just in case a new variant pops up narrative) despite vaccinations? Was there anything in the living with COVID plan about it?

I have zero interest in jetting off for sun holidays but majorly concerned because like lots of people have family abroad. Even though it would be a last resort i could be in a position to emigrate if i had to or at least live in either country for periods.

Hopefully it'll be (worst case) a vaccine passport by the end of the summer, as it looks like everyone who wants a vaccine will have one by then?

KrustyUCC · 24-02-2021 02:05PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

My partners mother is getting hers on Friday aged 88.

Brilliant

The sooner we can get all those aged over 70 vaccinated the better for everyone

Deeper Blue · 24-02-2021 02:05PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

What are realistic thoughts on international travel once we are all vaccinated? With all these calls of mandatory quarantine and hikes in fines at the airports is this something that could be around for the rest of our lifetimes ( just in case a new variant pops up narrative) despite vaccinations? Was there anything in the living with COVID plan about it?

I have zero interest in jetting off for sun holidays but majorly concerned because like lots of people have family abroad. Even though it would be a last resort i could be in a position to emigrate if i had to or at least live in either country for periods.

There could be issues this year I reckon but I'm 99.9% sure things will go back to normal with regard to travel, the only difference being vaccination certs and/or testing at airports

Apogee · 24-02-2021 02:06PM

These numbers are approximate and have to be taken with a large pinch of salt, but based on the percentages/numbers quoted by Micheál Martin (in bold), and working off of the Sunday Business Post cohort breakdowns, you get something like this for administration of first dose:

EDIT: Included second dose.

afatbollix · 24-02-2021 02:14PM

I feel for Astra Zeneca, They really are getting crap thrown at them for no reason at all. 100% in the trials did not end up in hospital! They have met targets as per contracts and officials are just basically reading the data wrong and getting it printed by some hacks.

I wonder if its different factors at play here:

Its UK technology and seemingly the EU hates the Brits now?

Pfizer has bigger pockets and has won the marketing battle with governments and officials?

It's the same tech as the Russian vaccine and is this the Russian troll army at play to get the Russian vaccine into EU arms.

That last one should more be in the conspiracy forum but you never know.

One thing is for sure that the public is now starting to question their vaccines and we should be trying to get as many in arms as possible not arming the anti-vaxers with ammunition.

mandrake04 · 24-02-2021 02:15PM

Deeper Blue wrote: »

There could be issues this year I reckon but I'm 99.9% sure things will go back to normal with regard to travel, the only difference being vaccination certs and/or testing at airports

Yeah Vaccination Certificates and Tests will become the norm for most countries.

https://www.9news.com.au/national/international-travel-could-return-in-months-vaccine-passport-air-new-zealand/9d9ffa60-cee7-4fd8-b16c-1027f33ff025

titan18 · 24-02-2021 02:16PM

afatbollix wrote: »

I feel for Astra Zeneca, They really are getting crap thrown at them for no reason at all. 100% in the trials did not end up in hospital! They have met targets as per contracts and officials are just basically reading the data wrong and getting it printed by some hacks.

I wonder if its different factors at play here:

Its UK technology and seemingly the EU hates the Brits now?

Pfizer has bigger pockets and has won the marketing battle with governments and officials?

It's the same tech as the Russian vaccine and is this the Russian troll army at play to get the Russian vaccine into EU arms.

That last one should more be in the conspiracy forum but you never know.

One thing is for sure that the public is now starting to question their vaccines and we should be trying to get as many in arms as possible not arming the anti-vaxers with ammunition.

Considering reports/leaks are that FDA might not approve, and South Africa dumped them effectively, it's not just an EU/UK thing tbf.

Stark · 24-02-2021 02:17PM

Cork2021 wrote: »

AstraZeneca will meet their targets it seems! Loads of kite flying again!

https://twitter.com/pharmaphorum/status/1364551678138191877?s=21

I'm guessing with the good news, that brings us to 1.3 million doses month in Q2 (assuming J&J)?

I'm basing that off 600,000 J&J doses in Q2, 1.8m AZ doses in Q2 and 1.6m Pfizer doses in Q2.

Even more if Moderna get the finger out (I've only seen supply estimates for them in Q3). Not sure if we'll see Curevac/Novavax in Q2, not going to get my hopes up too much.

BrianD3 · 24-02-2021 02:22PM

I see Lord Kilclooney (aka Unionist John Taylor) wants NI to help the Republic with its vaccination programme. I'd say this will make the Brit basher's heads melt.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/former-unionist-mp-kilclooney-has-urged-ni-executive-to-help-republic-with-vaccination-programme-40126280.html

titan18 · 24-02-2021 02:29PM

BrianD3 wrote: »

I see Lord Kilclooney (aka Unionist John Taylor) wants NI to help the Republic with its vaccination programme. I'd say this will make the Brit basher's heads melt.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/former-unionist-mp-kilclooney-has-urged-ni-executive-to-help-republic-with-vaccination-programme-40126280.html

I think it definitely makes sense for them in the border counties in particular. Both for travel for their own citizens and ours coming in and working there. You likely have people living in Letterkenny, Dundalk etc working in the North so i'd imagine they'd ideally like to vaccinate at least anyone working in the North but living in the South

ACitizenErased · 24-02-2021 02:33PM

FDA have deemed J&J vaccine to be safe and effective, approval is imminent in the USA

El Weirdo · 24-02-2021 02:35PM

Does anyone know when the J&J vaccine is due to be approved in the UK? Did they apply for approval there the same time they applied to the EMA?

JTMan · 24-02-2021 02:37PM

The Irish Times have a report on vaccinations here.

- Mr Donnelly said he brought a memo to Cabinet on Tuesday to allow for the purchase of 1.1 million doses of Novovax vaccine.
- 330,000 doses of Valneva vaccine to be purchased. Valneva can be stored for 18 months.
- 7,000 vaccinators have been trained, adding that he would like to see dentists and optometrists brought into the vaccine rollout.
- Vaccinations will be those aged 16+ (Not 18+ as some people are stating).

Hopefully Novovax applies to the EMA shortly. I think Valneva will be much later this year.

COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

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