COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

Cork2021

stefanovich wrote: »

Better start saying your prayers now. Where's a good exorcist when you need one? The devil is here!

The nuns in West Cork do exorcisms?

Apogee

Apogee wrote: »

Saturdays Numbers: 8,232 (weekend effect or reporting lag?) administered. Mon-Sat : 74,902 - on track to hit the 80,000 target for the week.

Sunday NO

is_that_so

ceegee wrote: »

Well thats underwhelming

But not at all unexpected in February. It's all happening from April.

Sconsey

Russman wrote: »

So, if I'm understanding this, its possible that someone who was previously in Group 5 based on their age and is now "demoted" to Group 6, might actually end up getting their first AZ dose quicker because other members of Group 5 have been bumped up the list but have to get in line and wait for the mRNA shots ?

Yeah I think so. I have only seen the 'group 6 parallel to group 4' message in one article on RTE so no guarantee, but I think that process would make sense.

seamus

is_that_so wrote: »

He's just repeating data from the vaccination task force and the HSE. That's what all our politicians do.

Don't know if it was Twitter or the other boards thread, but someone did the maths on it and it very much does look like the vaccine task force accounted for a 50% shortfall in AZ deliveries.

J&J is factored into our numbers despite not being approved, but I don't think that's a gamble, that's pretty much a certainty.

I know people want to hate the government at the moment, but it is possible to acknowledge the fact that our vaccine rollout is in fact a great success currently (there's still time!) without giving the the government a free pass.

We're on course currently to be one of the first countries in the world to reach herd immunity.

KrustyUCC

Interesting line from Varadkar this morning

" He said the Government is not keen to delay second doses for now, as there are concerns that partial vaccination may increase the risk of variants arising while some people are not fully vaccinated."

https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2021/0223/1198925-mandatory-quarantine-legislation/

Big contrast to this article

New data should lead to vaccine plan rethink, says Cork expert

https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/arid-40232339.html

Irish Stones

AstraZeneca has announced a further 50% cut in supplies between April and June. Is it something that will aaffect the whole EU or just a few countries that are less smart than others?
Meanwhile the Sputnik V vaccine has landed within Italian borders, in San Marino, 7.5k doses arrived yesterday, more will come in a couple of weeks.

is_that_so

seamus wrote: »

Don't know if it was Twitter or the other boards thread, but someone did the maths on it and it very much does look like the vaccine task force accounted for a 50% shortfall in AZ deliveries.

J&J is factored into our numbers despite not being approved, but I don't think that's a gamble, that's pretty much a certainty.

I know people want to hate the government at the moment, but it is possible to acknowledge the fact that our vaccine rollout is in fact a great success currently (there's still time!) without giving the the government a free pass.

We're on course currently to be one of the first countries in the world to reach herd immunity.

That I agree with. It has always looked like a worked-out plan that could be ramped up and the HSE have dealt very well with the rollercoaster of supplies, particularly on communication. From conversations with friends elsewhere, other countries seem more haphazard in how they are
doing it.

seamus

seamus wrote: »

Don't know if it was Twitter or the other boards thread, but someone did the maths on it and it very much does look like the vaccine task force accounted for a 50% shortfall in AZ deliveries.

J&J is factored into our numbers despite not being approved, but I don't think that's a gamble, that's pretty much a certainty.

I know people want to hate the government at the moment, but it is possible to acknowledge the fact that our vaccine rollout is in fact a great success currently (there's still time!) without giving the the government a free pass.

We're on course currently to be one of the first countries in the world to reach herd immunity.

I do think there is an issue that despite having a performing vaccine program and huge deliveries scheduled, the government are making it sound like we'll be heavily restricted well into summer.

Their messaging does not add up

is_that_so

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Interesting line from Varadkar this morning

" He said the Government is not keen to delay second doses for now, as there are concerns that partial vaccination may increase the risk of variants arising while some people are not fully vaccinated."

https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2021/0223/1198925-mandatory-quarantine-legislation/

Big contrast to this article

New data should lead to vaccine plan rethink, says Cork expert

https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/arid-40232339.html

It won't be Leo or Liz who decide, it's a NIAC call.

brickster69

Good to see

https://newswirengr.com/2021/02/24/covid-19-ghana-becomes-first-country-to-receive-covax-backed-vaccine/

KrustyUCC

Irish Stones wrote: »

AstraZeneca has announced a further 50% cut in supplies between April and June. Is it something that will aaffect the whole EU or just a few countries that are less smart than others?
Meanwhile the Sputnik V vaccine has landed within Italian borders, in San Marino, 7.5k doses arrived yesterday, more will come in a couple of weeks.

AZ disputing that report now

I hope they're right

A spokesperson for the Company, said: "AstraZeneca confirms today that its most recent Q2 forecast for the delivery of its COVID-19 vaccine aims to deliver in line with its contract with the European Commission.

"As per this contract, approximately half of the expected volume is due to come from the EU supply chain, while the remainder would come from its international supply network. At this stage AstraZeneca is working to increase productivity in its EU supply chain and to continue to make use of its global capability in order to achieve delivery of 180 million doses to the EU in the second quarter."

ceegee

ACitizenErased wrote: »

1) its Sunday
2) day before starting 100,000-120,000 per week
3) Likely ran out of supply

Ah yeah, just slightly annoying to be just under target. May well turn out that we hit it once the reporting lag is factored in

Sconsey

Irish Stones wrote: »

AstraZeneca has announced a further 50% cut in supplies between April and June. Is it something that will aaffect the whole EU or just a few countries that are less smart than others?
Meanwhile the Sputnik V vaccine has landed within Italian borders, in San Marino, 7.5k doses arrived yesterday, more will come in a couple of weeks.

You are completely wrong. An un-named source in the EU claimed AZ would miss their numbers by 50%, AstraZenica never said anything. AZ have since come out and denied the claim is true.

PhoenixParker

AdamD wrote: »

I do think there is an issue that despite having a performing vaccine program and huge deliveries scheduled, the government are making it sound like we'll be heavily restricted well into summer.

Their messaging does not add up

Under promise and over deliver. If they tell us things will be fairly normal in May and then a hold up with vaccines or a new vaccine resistant variant happens it'll be a nightmare to roll that back.

If they say it'll be September, maybe, with lots of caveats, and it works out for July everyone will be ecstatic.

There is no certainty. The media has been extraordinarily poor about communicating around the uncertainty of covid. The government have now opted for only discussing worst case scenarios.

is_that_so

Sconsey wrote: »

You are completely wrong. An un-named source in the EU claimed AZ would miss their numbers by 50%, AstraZenica never said anything. AZ have since come out and denied the claim is true.

That's really a they said-the others said situation and when you look at the AstraZenica track record on deliveries ...

ceegee

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Interesting line from Varadkar this morning

" He said the Government is not keen to delay second doses for now, as there are concerns that partial vaccination may increase the risk of variants arising while some people are not fully vaccinated."

https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2021/0223/1198925-mandatory-quarantine-legislation/

Big contrast to this article

New data should lead to vaccine plan rethink, says Cork expert

https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/arid-40232339.html

Cork expert thinks we should adjust the gap between doses, despite seemingly not knowing what the current gap is

is_that_so

PhoenixParker wrote: »

Under promise and over deliver. If they tell us things will be fairly normal in May and then a hold up with vaccines or a new vaccine resistant variant happens it'll be a nightmare to roll that back.

If they say it'll be September, maybe, with lots of caveats, and it works out for July everyone will be ecstatic.

There is no certainty. The media has been extraordinarily poor about communicating around the uncertainty of covid. The government have now opted for only discussing worst case scenarios.

All of this may be true but it's still the bad messaging that's getting to people. There is no obvious path in people's minds to that Promised land. The HSE seem confident of the vaccine numbers but there is every likelihood of being stuck like this till May if the latest comments are to be believed.

IRISHSPORTSGUY

Irish Stones wrote: »

AstraZeneca has announced a further 50% cut in supplies between April and June. Is it something that will aaffect the whole EU or just a few countries that are less smart than others?
Meanwhile the Sputnik V vaccine has landed within Italian borders, in San Marino, 7.5k doses arrived yesterday, more will come in a couple of weeks.

Sounds a lot worse than it is. They delivered 40% of the originally contracted Q1 supplies and will deliver approx 90% of Q2's originally contracted vaccines. Not bad considering the low base they were building from.
In Q3 theyll ramp up again.

stephenjmcd

ceegee wrote: »

Ah yeah, just slightly annoying to be just under target. May well turn out that we hit it once the reporting lag is factored in

HSE say they've hit the 80k target up to Sunday so looks like reporting lag

speckle

ceegee wrote: »

Ah yeah, just slightly annoying to be just under target. May well turn out that we hit it once the reporting lag is factored in

I would rather the team have a day off and be in tip top shape to do the important paperwork correctly and be alert for any adverse reactions

Wolf359f

ceegee wrote: »

Well thats underwhelming

ACitizenErased wrote: »

1) its Sunday
2) day before starting 100,000-120,000 per week
3) Likely ran out of supply

I have a total of 82,029 dosed administered based on total dosed administered on the dashboard from 14 - 21 Feb (271,942 - 353,971)
Daily figures get updated throughout the week retrospectively on the dashboard, so it's probably best just going week to week with the reports and not adding the figures up daily. (I'm sure that Sunday figure will increase with subsequent reports etc...)

Sconsey

is_that_so wrote: »

That's really a they said-the others said sittuation and when you look at the AstraZenica track record on deliveries ...

Sure but Irish Stones just made up the fact that AstraZenca announced it, they did not announce anything, it is an amportant distinction.
There's enough misinformation floating around without letting randomers make up the news.

Apogee

Wolf359f wrote: »

I have a total of 82,029 dosed administered based on total dosed administered on the dashboard from 14 - 21 Feb (271,942 - 353,971)
Daily figures get updated throughout the week retrospectively on the dashboard, so it's probably best just going week to week with the reports and not adding the figures up daily. (I'm sure that Sunday figure will increase with subsequent reports etc...)

77,938 if you add up the individual days Mon-Sun. The problem with relying on the Totals is that the HSE are updating retrospectively the numbers prior to the past week.

It's effectively on track anyway, and Sunday's numbers are likely to be updated again.

irishlad.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1cUZy6AMCwuA2zhtRuKK7cqMVgmhdDsGsZrFWJTkw9DY/edit#gid=0

I'm just using raw numbers from the Geohive website, so it will never fully be accurate. Should balance itself out from week to week though.

Seems this weeks target was achieved and more than likely they ran out of available vaccine.

is_that_so

Seems EMA are ready to start a rolling review of Sputnik V. Headline on this site but needs registration so no idea what article says. No doubt it will emerge elsewhere.

https://pink.pharmaintelligence.informa.com/PS143825/Sputnik-V-Vaccine-Team-Working-With-EMA-To-Start-Rolling-Review

Knex*

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Interesting line from Varadkar this morning

" He said the Government is not keen to delay second doses for now, as there are concerns that partial vaccination may increase the risk of variants arising while some people are not fully vaccinated."

https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2021/0223/1198925-mandatory-quarantine-legislation/

Big contrast to this article

New data should lead to vaccine plan rethink, says Cork expert

https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/arid-40232339.html

My immediate reaction to that line is that you would think not vaccinating people at all will lead to a greater risk, surely?

Stark

Knex* wrote: »

My immediate reaction to that line is that you would think not vaccinating people at all will lead to a greater risk, surely?

Also no vaccine is 100% effective and some are less effective than others. By that logic, we should stop vaccinating people with the likes of AZ and other vaccines and make everyone wait for mRNA vaccines.

My spouse is on the list for group 4 severe COPD. Should we expect a text or call whenever it is time? Anyone any idea how long before group 4 will be called. Thanks.

doublejobbing 2

Mullaghteelin wrote: »

That's general ignorance. A sunny day or two in April and Irish people suddenly start calling it Summer!
Summer is June to August inclusive, the warmest months being July & August.

Stark wrote: »

Traditionally, "summer" in Ireland has been May, June, July.

Hence what I'm on about. MM and his nonsense about mid summer. He said this because he himself hasn't a clue.

I'd regard summer myself as May June July even though, of course, our best weather is often in April*, August and as far as late September.


*: lost count of the amount of times we have had a cracking April only to have it followed by the wettest actual summer/ early Autumn in a decade. 2020 being a prime example.