COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

is_that_so

Cork2021 wrote: »

Ah damn even treatments look like they’ll work as well!!

https://twitter.com/ema_news/status/1364603635959742466?s=21

Don't get too excited about monoclonals just yet! They have come a cropper with variants.

seamus

eeepaulo wrote: »

Does the vaccine reduce spread by the person who has had it and gets covid, or are they still as contagious?

"Probably, but we don't know" is where we still are.

Lots of preliminary data coming out suggesting that vaccinated individuals are far less likely to be spreaders, but no indication so far that they can't[/t] spread it. So reasonably everyone is for now operating on the basis that vaccinated individuals are no "safer" than asymptomatic ones.

josip

MethMartin wrote: »

True but the sooner the US is finished the sooner they will lift the export ban.

The US will lift the export band long before they are 'finished'.
As soon as supply exceeds demand/ability to vaccinate, all the US vaccine companies will be pushing hard to allow their surplus to be sold abroad.
I've read that they expect that to happen in April.

DubLad69

Does our current vaccination plan of 80% having a dose by June assume that other vaccines will become avaliable?

Or is it based on current vaccines/commitments and if more come avaliable then it could happen sooner?

Stark

Based on the assumption of J&J approval afaik.

is_that_so

mandrake04 wrote: »

Yeah Vaccination Certificates and Tests will become the norm for most countries.

https://www.9news.com.au/national/international-travel-could-return-in-months-vaccine-passport-air-new-zealand/9d9ffa60-cee7-4fd8-b16c-1027f33ff025

Not much use in that when up to 1/3 to summer flights could be full of small unvaccinated people. That may also include adults who can't get vaccinated.

is_that_so

Is this finally a quick test that is almost as good as PCR? Prototype for now.

French researchers have developed a coronavirus test that they say delivers results three times faster than rapid lateral flow antigen tests with – according to initial trial data – almost the same accuracy as more reliable, but slower, PCR tests

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/23/new-covid-test-delivers-results-three-times-faster-than-lateral-flow

Call me Al

is_that_so wrote: »

Not much use in that when up to 1/3 to summer flights could be full of small unvaccinated people. That may also include adults who can't get vaccinated.

https://twitter.com/JJHTweets/status/1364613805242777613?s=20

It will be interesting to see how the idea of covid travel passports pans out.
And if the use of Pfizer outside of recommended intervals becomes a problem.

is_that_so

Call me Al wrote: »

https://twitter.com/JJHTweets/status/1364613805242777613?s=20

It will be interesting to see how the idea of covid travel passports pans out.
And if the use of Pfizer outside of recommended intervals becomes a problem.

Yeah, but you can't recommend something that doesn't exist. There is a huge amount of work to do on so many aspects of it first and it's definitely not universally popular. They just want to to get travel moving again. I still see it as an early 2021 solution.

seamus

Call me Al wrote: »

It will be interesting to see how the idea of covid travel passports pans out.
And if the use of Pfizer outside of recommended intervals becomes a problem.

Unless an international standard is agreed upon, it'll be a bit of a mess.
Each country will issue its own vaccination certificate based on its own procedures, and every other country will then decide which vaccination certs it doesn't and doesn't accept.

We'll be OK in the EU, a standard will be implemented by default. But as you point out, if other countries aren't satisified with the quality of (for example) the NHS's vaccination programme, then UK vaccine certs might not be good enough.

dominatinMC

ACitizenErased wrote: »

https://twitter.com/spectatorindex/status/1364576737774854146?s=20

Will be very interesting to see how RTE report this later (haven't heard the news today so maybe they already have done so). We know that they are very quick to jump on any supposed decline in vaccine effectiveness for these new variants. This doesn't appear to be the case here, with the reports thus far emphasising how effective it is against all variants. Nevertheless, I'm sure RTE will find a way to put some negative spin on it. I suppose it hasn't yet been proven effective against the "California" variant, so it is destined to fail :rolleyes:

is_that_so

Speaking of the vaccine passports debate, EU countries are split.

EU leaders will tomorrow agree to work on certificates of vaccination for EU citizens who have been vaccinated against Covid.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2021/feb/24/coronavirus-live-news-who-says-global-deaths-down-20-since-last-week-cases-declining-for-six-straight-weeks?page=with:block-603684c68f087933c5fdbf88#block-603684c68f087933c5fdbf88

Water John

Possibly premature, could be relevant when everyone has been offered a vaccine. By then, possibly won't matter anyway.

Deathofcool

https://twitter.com/laoneill111/status/1364614920889901057?s=19

Gael23

When do you reckon group 7 will start? Maybe My or so?

lbj666

Cork2021 wrote: »

Fuçk them useless vaccines!!

https://twitter.com/coronavirusgoo1/status/1364601812851036163?s=21

This is good news but is it really as good as we are playing out, i think our whole preoccupation with the McConkeys being proved wrong has been a distraction.

Thats a 5 fold reduction in severe illness so crudely speaking infection levels 5 times more can be tolerated, thats good but far from silver bullet territory and certainly not going to lead to a removal of quarantine and not needing boosters. 2 Doses could be worth considering.

Granted Pfizer is expected to be a better on the SA variant.

lbj666

DubLad69 wrote: »

Does our current vaccination plan of 80% having a dose by June assume that other vaccines will become avaliable?

Or is it based on current vaccines/commitments and if more come avaliable then it could happen sooner?

Its based on J&J getting approved and Astral Zeneca only fullfilling 50% of their commitment for Q2, but they now promised today they will divert more supply to the EU.

Curevac is not included in the projection which may come available in May

Deathofcool

Chief scientific officer of Pfizer confident of protection from all variants

https://twitter.com/fact_covid/status/1364582190399504384?s=20

Cork2021

I’m still confussed about where I land on this chart! Essential to food supply would that not constitute a supermarket retail worker/butcher etc....

https://twitter.com/donnellystephen/status/1364643964972904451?s=21

Cork2021

Deathofcool wrote: »

Chief scientific officer of Pfizer confident of protection from all variants

https://twitter.com/fact_covid/status/1364582190399504384?s=20

For the love of god don’t tell the zero covid nutters! Their heads will explode..... actually please do tell them. We’ll send them a telegram

Pete_Cavan

KrustyUCC wrote: »

AZ disputing that report now

I hope they're right

A spokesperson for the Company, said: "AstraZeneca confirms today that its most recent Q2 forecast for the delivery of its COVID-19 vaccine aims to deliver in line with its contract with the European Commission.

"As per this contract, approximately half of the expected volume is due to come from the EU supply chain, while the remainder would come from its international supply network. At this stage AstraZeneca is working to increase productivity in its EU supply chain and to continue to make use of its global capability in order to achieve delivery of 180 million doses to the EU in the second quarter."

Wasn't AZs defense in the initial spat when they revealed the Q1 under supply back in Jan that the contract said that the EU could only get doses from the two named EU production sites? Now they are saying that the contract says 50% from EU and 50% elsewhere! Both the Q1 and Q2 deliveries fall under the initial 300m order.

Russman

Cork2021 wrote: »

I’m still confussed about where I land on this chart! Essential to food supply would that not constitute a supermarket retail worker/butcher etc....

https://twitter.com/donnellystephen/status/1364643964972904451?s=21

I’d expect supermarket workers would be part of the “old” Group 10 and would be in that essential to food supply group. I’ll be interested to see what gets covered by “commercial transport”

Water John

don't mind politicians talking crap. Many of them are only concerned about their soundbite. The reality is, vaccines work well and are coming for us all.

Micky 32

Water John wrote: »

don't mind politicians talking crap. Many of them are only concerned about their soundbite. The reality is, vaccines work well and are coming for us all.

I know, just felt like a rant after listening to them going on and on about the variants :pac:

speckle

is_that_so wrote: »

Speaking of the vaccine passports debate, EU countries are split.



https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2021/feb/24/coronavirus-live-news-who-says-global-deaths-down-20-since-last-week-cases-declining-for-six-straight-weeks?page=with:block-603684c68f087933c5fdbf88#block-603684c68f087933c5fdbf88

People are also forgetting women aged circa 20 to 45 who may be trying to get pregnant or are pregnant... hope male domininated politics dont forget them.

Hmmzis

The full J&J submission to the FDA is available now to the public.

https://www.fda.gov/media/146217/download

If you're interested in results for areas with the variants of concern (Brazil and SA) then pages 28 and 37 would be of interest (TL;DR efficacy was not all that different, all CIs have sizeable overlaps)

From a quick glance at the efficacy tables it's looking good, the main numbers are the same as in their presser. Some of the estimates have very wide CI's but where it matters it's tight enough. Asymptomatic transmission is cut close to overall symtpomatic infection prevention (60-70%), which is good news.

funnydoggy

I really need to block Twitter. I can't stand the sense of entitlement from them. EVERYTHING is a problem. That chart is really great at illustrating a *fluid* timeline, yet they're p*ssed. It's not good enough for them.

DubLad69

Cork2021 wrote: »

I’m still confussed about where I land on this chart! Essential to food supply would that not constitute a supermarket retail worker/butcher etc....

https://twitter.com/donnellystephen/status/1364643964972904451?s=21

The teachers one on that is a but strange. They are waiting for the schools to close for the summer to vacinate teachers?

NIMAN

Got my 1st dose in the North today.
Well organised, efficient job.

Back in May for the 2nd dose.

ypres5

Water John wrote: »

don't mind politicians talking crap. Many of them are only concerned about their soundbite. The reality is, vaccines work well and are coming for us all.

let's just hope that by the end of the year that this has ended and things are back to normal. no new normal or I can't believe it's not normal just ordinary boring pedestrian life. if the government keep measures or have a just in case lockdown I'll be very frustrated