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Changes in the GAA - super thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,770 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Thing is the point that is being missed by a lot of people....Gaelic football has evolved...its changing.. possession is king. You can’t score without the ball and your opponent can score if you give it to them... so that is why teams are interested in minding possession and playing short kick outs.. the game is evolving, for the better... its faster, it’s higher scoring, more skillful more entertaining... players are fitter, sharper, more intelligent more tactically astute.

    A team would rather possession near their own 45 then throwing it up the middle of the pitch where it can be 50/50... the tactical norms of the game are being re-evaluated... not just by Dublin. Dublin are just pretty good at moving the ball fast, efficiently, and accurately...

    You have some redline rule for kick outs you’ll just have teams playing more 6”4 guys at the expense of actual footballers... it would diminish the game.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,770 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    doc_17 wrote: »
    In every field sport in the world the teams playing at home have a bigger win percentage.

    Keep Dublin out of Parnell Park so....

    The only solution is to build two big white elephant stadia in say Cork and Tipp and alternating the finals between 3 venues.... impossible financially. If it wasn’t it would be a waste of money financially.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,602 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Strumms wrote: »
    Thing is the point that is being missed by a lot of people....Gaelic football has evolved...its changing.. possession is king. You can’t score without the ball and your opponent can score if you give it to them... so that is why teams are interested in minding possession and playing short kick outs.. the game is evolving, for the better... its faster, it’s higher scoring, more skillful more entertaining... players are fitter, sharper, more intelligent more tactically astute.

    A team would rather possession near their own 45 then throwing it up the middle of the pitch where it can be 50/50... the tactical norms of the game are being re-evaluated... not just by Dublin. Dublin are just pretty good at moving the ball fast, efficiently, and accurately...

    You have some redline rule for kick outs you’ll just have teams playing more 6”4 guys at the expense of actual footballers... it would diminish the game.

    How Dublin play is absolutely the right tactic but the passing left and right around the midfield is boring as hell when it gets going. Doesn't matter whether it's kicked or punched it's awful to watch. I never understood people fawning over Barcelona doing the same in soccer great teams if you love just reading the stats in the morning paper but awful dull watching for a full match

    The short pass and move when going forward is great to watch and I think is more entertaining than the old hoofing it into a sea of players round the box.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,118 ✭✭✭DubCount


    The "keep ball" at certain stages of the match is effective but not great to watch. That is as much about defending teams putting 15 players behind the ball, as the attacking team deciding that they have enough of a lead to win without trying to attack. e

    I'd love to see a rule requiring both teams to have at least 3-4 players inside the opposition 65 at all times. If there is more space for attacking teams you might get more attacking play.

    Also, I wonder if a shot clock could work (like in basketball). If there is no shot within 1 minute of a kickout or a turnover, its a kick out for the opposition. That type of thing.


  • Posts: 7,712 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    DubCount wrote: »
    The "keep ball" at certain stages of the match is effective but not great to watch. That is as much about defending teams putting 15 players behind the ball, as the attacking team deciding that they have enough of a lead to win without trying to attack. e

    I'd love to see a rule requiring both teams to have at least 3-4 players inside the opposition 65 at all times. If there is more space for attacking teams you might get more attacking play.

    Also, I wonder if a shot clock could work (like in basketball). If there is no shot within 1 minute of a kickout or a turnover, its a kick out for the opposition. That type of thing.

    You’re into gimmick territory then. Let teams play as they see fit and it’s up to other teams to counter that and stop them. There’s no thought into handing someone a ball back like that.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    DubCount wrote: »
    The "keep ball" at certain stages of the match is effective but not great to watch. That is as much about defending teams putting 15 players behind the ball, as the attacking team deciding that they have enough of a lead to win without trying to attack. e

    I'd love to see a rule requiring both teams to have at least 3-4 players inside the opposition 65 at all times. If there is more space for attacking teams you might get more attacking play.

    Also, I wonder if a shot clock could work (like in basketball). If there is no shot within 1 minute of a kickout or a turnover, its a kick out for the opposition. That type of thing.
    A basketball court is less than 100 feet long and 50 feet wide. Totally incomparable to a GAA pitch. You cant put a shot clock on it. Theyre not comparable.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,048 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    JeffKenna wrote: »
    That's for analysing stats after the game. No other team would have real time feed to five people on a laptop during the game.


    I don't know about that. I was in Salthill for a league game two years back. Fierce cold and I got in early and into the middle of the stand. A Steward came to me after about 10 mins and asked if I could move two seats further in and they marked off two seats for stats lads for the Galway team.

    And different teams work and use different methods. The Mayo fans on here will attest that a backroom member of staff at Arsenal FC works with Mayo GAA when the soccer season finishes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,048 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    DubCount wrote: »
    The "keep ball" at certain stages of the match is effective but not great to watch. That is as much about defending teams putting 15 players behind the ball, as the attacking team deciding that they have enough of a lead to win without trying to attack. e

    I'd love to see a rule requiring both teams to have at least 3-4 players inside the opposition 65 at all times. If there is more space for attacking teams you might get more attacking play.

    Also, I wonder if a shot clock could work (like in basketball). If there is no shot within 1 minute of a kickout or a turnover, its a kick out for the opposition. That type of thing.

    Dublin went down to 14 men the other day and when the second half kicked off I posted on the AI thread that Dublin would hold the ball and run the clock down and that is what they did for just shy of 5 minutes.

    Why should a team in that position be penalised when the opposing team has the extra man and the added advantage?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,260 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    One change that is needed more then ever is Dublin not competing in Leinster. As has been said before a system where they play in a different province each year would work best. It would spice up those other provincials the year they enter, think Dublin vs Kerry/Cork in Killarney or PUC, Mayo in McHale or Monaghan in Clones. Then every 4 years back to Leinster for a procession.

    But at least for the 3 years in between you'll have a competitive province and Leinster teams will have championship silverware to play for so annual progress can be seen and made to assist long term improvements.

    Dublin fans would enjoy this system more so it's a win win. Just think how many Dubs would be in favour of Scrapping leinster. They don't give a **** about it anymore. The glory days are gone. Meanwhile now they're more concerned about not getting split up so might welcome this change instead.

    That former player from Westmeath was encouraging all leinster counties to boycott. Instead of having to boycott why can't they just play minus dublin who are in no way similar in any metric to a leinster county.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,469 ✭✭✭ShyMets


    RoyalCelt wrote: »
    One change that is needed more then ever is Dublin not competing in Leinster. As has been said before a system where they play in a different province each year would work best. It would spice up those other provincials the year they enter, think Dublin vs Kerry/Cork in Killarney or PUC, Mayo in McHale or Monaghan in Clones. Then every 4 years back to Leinster for a procession.

    But at least for the 3 years in between you'll have a competitive province and Leinster teams will have championship silverware to play for so annual progress can be seen and made to assist long term improvements.

    Dublin fans would enjoy this system more so it's a win win. Just think how many Dubs would be in favour of Scrapping leinster. They don't give a **** about it anymore. The glory days are gone. Meanwhile now they're more concerned about not getting split up so might welcome this change instead.

    That former player from Westmeath was encouraging all leinster counties to boycott. Instead of having to boycott why can't they just play minus dublin who are in no way similar in any metric to a leinster county.

    So if Dublin don't care about Leinster anymore. Why would they care about winning Ulster, Connaught or Munster.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,260 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    ShyMets wrote: »
    So if Dublin don't care about Leinster anymore. Why would they care about winning Ulster, Connaught or Munster.

    They'd get more competition? Less of the hammer every team by 20 points on the way to their 50th leinster in a row? Potential match ups away include kerry, Cork, mayo, galway, donegal, Tyrone etc. The Dublin accountants might not like the idea of their travel costs going up! They'll finally understand the pain of the likes of mayo, donegal and kerry.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    RoyalCelt wrote: »
    They'd get more competition? Less of the hammer every team by 20 points on the way to their 50th leinster in a row? Potential match ups away include kerry, Cork, mayo, galway, donegal, Tyrone etc. The Dublin accountants might not like the idea of their travel costs going up! They'll finally understand the pain of the likes of mayo, donegal and kerry.
    And why would any of the smaller/weaker counties in the other provinces be happy with this or even the stronger counties?
    Moving dublin around the provinces will be the death of the provincial championships and that isnt a good thing.
    Dublin play likes of Kerry, Mayo, Donegal etc enough with the super 8s, semis/finals and in the league
    It isnt the answer.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,469 ✭✭✭ShyMets


    RoyalCelt wrote: »
    They'd get more competition? Less of the hammer every team by 20 points on the way to their 50th leinster in a row? Potential match ups away include kerry, Cork, mayo, galway, donegal, Tyrone etc. The Dublin accountants might not like the idea of their travel costs going up! They'll finally understand the pain of the likes of mayo, donegal and kerry.

    Ok. So you're in favour of it solely because Dublin will incur more travelling costs.

    The mind boggles


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,286 ✭✭✭seligehgit


    Mod Warning

    I refer all posters to the last sentence of post #1 on The Dominance of Dublin GAA thread.

    The Changes in the GAA-super thread is now for discussion of all other suggested reforms not relating to Dublin GAA.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058005558

    Any further posts referring to reforms relating to Dublin GAA will be sanctioned.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,567 ✭✭✭dobman88


    Can someone explain the outrage over the advantage rule in hurling? It seemed to work well from what I could see overall. Especially the new rule on cynical fouls outside the penalty area leading to penalties. I only watched league Sunday but on more than a few occasions it was obvious to see lads stop themselves from a pull on the jersey or dragging a player down cynically. Seems lots of hurling fans not happy with the new rules but they looked good to me.

    So could anyone shed any light on something I might seem to be missing?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,734 ✭✭✭thesultan


    The old one had if a free was committed, the ref had a five second advantage rule where if the advantage didn't occur he could go back to the original free


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,286 ✭✭✭seligehgit


    thesultan wrote: »
    The old one had if a free was committed, the ref had a five second advantage rule where if the advantage didn't occur he could go back to the original free

    Can't see what on earth was wrong with same.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,744 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Similar to how Galway don't play in the Connacht hurling anymore?

    It seems to have worked well for Galway but do we really want to give the Dubs another leg-up?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,621 ✭✭✭harpsman


    Football-

    1- there must be at least 4 players from each team in each half of the field, or inside each 65- this would be policed by a linesman for each half.

    2- no hand passing outside the 22m line. Maybe change the 22m line to 30m to give a bit more leeway.

    3- all kick outs must pass the 45m line.

    At the moment most football matches are like a series of backs v forwards drills with very few contests for possession. I find it sterile and boring to watch. These changes would mean more long kicking and contests for possession, and evee wee n a bit more chaos which the game is sorely lacking atm



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,903 ✭✭✭eire4


    Given how small Parnell Park is that would cost the GAA a lot of lost revenue. Unless Dublin are given a 30,000 odd sized stadium of their own or agree some deal with the government for a new stadium of that nature that was shared with other sports say for instance combing with Leinster Rugby for a redeveloped RDS it is not going to happen.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,224 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    After the last day I believe after match citing for dangerous and dirty play is something that the GAA need to have the balls to bring in.

    Otherwise I hope someone takes them to court and ultimately the cleaners.

    Oh and proper sanctions, games missed, not just lip service with numerous appeal avenues.

    We always get this shyte about players are only amateur and it would be great pity if they were to miss matches.

    Well the players they hurt and sometimes seriously injure are only amateurs as well, and have lives and jobs outside GAA that are affected by their dangerous actions.

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,924 ✭✭✭Coillte_Bhoy


    Can anyone provide a link to the proposed new football cship structures that are to be discussed n the Autumn? At least i think thats when they will be discussed



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68 ✭✭newbie11




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,924 ✭✭✭Coillte_Bhoy




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68 ✭✭newbie11


    The Gaelic Players Association looks set to offer its backing to a league-championship football structure ahead of next month's Special Congress.

    The GPA is preparing to canvass inter-county footballers to see which championship structure they would prefer as Congress prepares to map out a path forward for the future structure of the Gaelic football season.

    Two new formats for football are on the table, including a transformation of the provincial championships into four equally-sized groups of eight counties and a more radical switching of the Allianz League into the summer. This option would incorporate the provincial championships being played off in the spring.

    The third option is that the current format remains with some changes.

    RTÉ Sport understands that there has already been very strong support from the GPA membership for Proposal B, the league-based championship, which would see the provincial championships retained, as well as a Tailteann Cup competition.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,200 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    noticed the Munster Club championships will spill over to 2022 with the finals taking place early January



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,924 ✭✭✭Coillte_Bhoy


    Was hoping for a link to the actual detailed proposal?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 153 ✭✭ATR72


    League proposal.

    Top 4 in Div 1 and top 2 in Div 2 qualify for the QFs. 5th placed Div 1 team plus 3rd in Div 2 and the champions of Div 3 and 4 qualify for a preliminary QF.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,924 ✭✭✭Coillte_Bhoy


    Hmm, was hoping for a champions league style format. So that means 10 teams go forward from the NFL to the AI series? And the rest in the Tailteann Cup??



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,836 ✭✭✭Always_Running




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