Changes in the GAA - super thread

breezy1985

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

And what about taking Limerick football away from Limerick football fans? Or do they not count?

Limerick+Clare wouldn't win anything anyway in football so why take the identity away? For what?

I am a Limerick football fan to start so get off your high horse. I would happily follow Limerick in a tiered championship or follow a rest of Munster or North Munster side in a single tier championship just as I follow Limerick now.

But in hurling it would be a disaster to join any Munster teams. Two different sports with two different set of circumstances

breezy1985

breezy1985 wrote: »

I am a Limerick football fan to start so get off your high horse. I would happily follow Limerick in a tiered championship or follow a rest of Munster or North Munster side in a single tier championship just as I follow Limerick now.

But in hurling it would be a disaster to join any Munster teams. Two different sports with two different set of circumstances

If you'd be happy with your football team disappearing and shouting for Clare or Tipperary footballers then you would probably be better off with the soccer.

breezy1985

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

If you'd be happy with your football team disappearing and shouting for Clare or Tipperary footballers then you would probably be better off with the soccer.

I wouldn't be shouting for Clare or Tipp footballers I would be shouting for Munster footballers. Clubs in the GAA amalgamate all the time so why not. I support Limerick but in the future if something was to change I would support whatever team the players from my club represented if the GAA were able to make an honest case that it would make the championship more competitive.

Me being willing to accept this does not make me less of a GAA fan than you so no I won't be off to watch the soccer

irelandrover

Rolo2010 wrote: »

Limerick and Clare wouldn't join in hurling.

So now you have Clare GAA, Limerick GAA amd a Climerick GAA? That seems to just increase the costs.

JeffKenna

breezy1985 wrote: »

I wouldn't be shouting for Clare or Tipp footballers I would be shouting for Munster footballers. Clubs in the GAA amalgamate all the time so why not. I support Limerick but in the future if something was to change I would support whatever team the players from my club represented if the GAA were able to make an honest case that it would make the championship more competitive.

Me being willing to accept this does not make me less of a GAA fan than you so no I won't be off to watch the soccer

But a Munster team has already happened and been a failure. Remember the railway cup?

RoyalCelt

JeffKenna wrote: »

But a Munster team has already happened and been a failure. Remember the railway cup?

We currently have an amalgamation of 4 counties in Dublin and it's an even bigger failure.

dunnerc

RoyalCelt wrote: »

We currently have an amalgamation of 4 counties in Dublin and it's an even bigger failure.

Pure nonsense Dublin is 1 county , and its doing very well

JeffKenna

RoyalCelt wrote: »

We currently have an amalgamation of 4 counties in Dublin and it's an even bigger failure.

Split Dublin in 4. All 4 play off with the winner representing Dublin in the All Ireland. The Dublin brand will remain and with one team you won't have a Dublin v Dublin final each year.

Rolo2010

RoyalCelt wrote: »

We currently have an amalgamation of 4 counties in Dublin and it's an even bigger failure.

Those 4 counties are meaningless for GAA. Nobody cares about Dun Laoghaire-Rathdown. Any split of Dublin will be at most 2 (north and south of the river). Maybe 3 if a Fingal team was created.

breezy1985

JeffKenna wrote: »

But a Munster team has already happened and been a failure. Remember the railway cup?

Did the railway cup team play in the All Ireland?
No so it's very different

dunnerc

JeffKenna wrote: »

Split Dublin in 4. All 4 play off with the winner representing Dublin in the All Ireland. The Dublin brand will remain and with one team you won't have a Dublin v Dublin final each year.

How would this benefit the likes of Leitrim Sligo Wicklow Waterford etc ?
If Dublin is to be split amalgamations must happen also .

Mantis Toboggan

I don't see why any counties should be amalgamating, maybe counties with less than 60k population.

Splitting Dublin 4 ways would solve alot of issues and make the Leinster championship competitive again.

JeffKenna

dunnerc wrote: »

How would this benefit the likes of Leitrim Sligo Wicklow Waterford etc ?
If Dublin is to be split amalgamations must happen also .

I'm not sure there's any solution to Division 4 teams being uncompetive and that's more of a red herring. The goal is to make Division 1 teams at least competitive again, which this would do.

breezy1985

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

I don't see why any counties should be amalgamating, maybe counties with less than 60k population.

Splitting Dublin 4 ways would solve alot of issues and make the Leinster championship competitive again.

Population isn't everything. Limerick have a big population but very little of it cares about football.

I would be ok with team amalgamating as long as it is voluntary and reversible. I really like the current hurling set up but if Connacht or Ulster ever got fed up of it and tried to compete for Liam with provincial teams id be fine with that too

breezy1985

breezy1985 wrote: »

Population isn't everything. Limerick have a big population but very little of it cares about football.

I would be ok with team amalgamating as long as it is voluntary and reversible. I really like the current hurling set up but if Connacht or Ulster ever got fed up of it and tried to compete for Liam with provincial teams id be fine with that too

Yet everyone loves to throw Dublins population around like every single one of them is a potential footballer.

ArmaniJeanss

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

I don't see why any counties should be amalgamating, maybe counties with less than 60k population.

Splitting Dublin 4 ways would solve alot of issues and make the Leinster championship competitive again.

To me that comes down to you wanting Dublin to be the only ones to take the pain. I don't think it could work that way - the split of Dublin could only work if everyone else was getting restructured in some way as well.

Your idea of just a Dublin fix might indeed solve some issues, but it would get zero buy-in from Dublin people. And it's pretty essential for the GAA that they don't lose Dublin. People I talk to, pretty hard-core fans, talk in terms of a mass boycott (both of players and fans) if there's a Dublin split. We have deep-rooted pride in the county lines as well. If it's an unpalatable concept for people from Mayo or Kerry or Sligo to consider it, remember we feel the same way.

irelandrover

I think there is a big difference in a split and an amalgamation. If there is a split then you are still supporting the players from your local area. If there is an amalgamation then you are now supporting players who used to be your closest rivals. So in my opinion they are not the same thing at all.

dunnerc

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

I don't see why any counties should be amalgamating, maybe counties with less than 60k population.

Splitting Dublin 4 ways would solve alot of issues and make the Leinster championship competitive again.[/QUOTE

Well your entitled to your opinion
I disagree , it will only work if amalgamations happen
How will the Munster championship be competitive
Kerry have 81 Munster titles , total domination

ArmaniJeanss

irelandrover wrote: »

I think there is a big difference in a split and an amalgamation. If there is a split then you are still supporting the players from your local area. If there is an amalgamation then you are now supporting players who used to be your closest rivals. So in my opinion they are not the same thing at all.

With a split, your closest deadliest rivals are now players who you recently cheered on.
It's much the same imo (as in it's bad either way)

irelandrover

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

With a split, your closest deadliest rivals are now players who you recently cheered on.
It's much the same imo (as in it's bad either way)

Cheering for someone you dislike is a lot harder than cheering against someone you like. But we probably wont agree on this.

dunnerc

irelandrover wrote: »

I think there is a big difference in a split and an amalgamation. If there is a split then you are still supporting the players from your local area. If there is an amalgamation then you are now supporting players who used to be your closest rivals. So in my opinion they are not the same thing at all.

See post 2488

dunnerc

irelandrover wrote: »

Cheering for someone you dislike is a lot harder than cheering against someone you like. But we probably wont agree on this.

Correct we wont agree on this

breezy1985

irelandrover wrote: »

Cheering for someone you dislike is a lot harder than cheering against someone you like. But we probably wont agree on this.

Must be fair tough then for all those club fans to follow their county.

dunnerc

JeffKenna wrote: »

I'm not sure there's any solution to Division 4 teams being uncompetive and that's more of a red herring. The goal is to make Division 1 teams at least competitive again, which this would do.

Whos goal is that ?
Division 1 teams are already competitive

Kerry League champion 2020
Mayo League champions 2019
Kerry drew with Dublin in 2019 All Ireland , should have won
Mayo drew with Dublin twice , losing by 1 point in 2 All Ireland finals
Kerry lost to Dublin by 2 points in 2016 semi final
Kerry lost to Dublin by 3 points in 2015 final

Mantis Toboggan

dunnerc wrote: »

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

I don't see why any counties should be amalgamating, maybe counties with less than 60k population.

Splitting Dublin 4 ways would solve alot of issues and make the Leinster championship competitive again.[/QUOTE

Well your entitled to your opinion
I disagree , it will only work if amalgamations happen
How will the Munster championship be competitive
Kerry have 81 Munster titles , total domination

Kerry have none of the advantages that Dublin have, kerry are just good at football.

dunnerc

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

dunnerc wrote: »

Kerry have none of the advantages that Dublin have, kerry are just good at football.

Not that good , they got beat by a div 3/ div 2 team

ThunbergsAreGo

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

dunnerc wrote: »

Kerry have none of the advantages that Dublin have, kerry are just good at football.

Nearly five times the population of Leitrim, twice that of Roscommon etc.

munster87

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

Nearly five times the population of Leitrim, twice that of Roscommon etc.

Very little interest in hurling, compared to all the other Munster counties helps too.

PTH2009

Management teams of both club and county dont have much time to plan for training etc if they don't announce the 2021 plan soon

I'm all for the clubs going first, having the intercounty season done and dusted by July does not feel right

gormdubhgorm

irelandrover wrote: »

I think there is a big difference in a split and an amalgamation. If there is a split then you are still supporting the players from your local area. If there is an amalgamation then you are now supporting players who used to be your closest rivals. So in my opinion they are not the same thing at all.

OK but if you take that train of logic - it will mean the other Dublin entities will merely act as feeder counties to the main county.

Real change is not achieved by just focusing on Dublin, but the old outdated championship structure.

There is a perfectly good competition in the league which should be expanded.
It is as obvious as the nose on your face. Where teams of as similar level play each other. Closer competitive games.

Maybe a knock out open draw in the last 8 of each 'Championship'

If you look at normal years in the Championship it is normally division 1 teams who contest the SF's (in normal years). That is no fluke. Also when was the last time a team outside division 1 team won Sam?

Over 2-4 year periods - league success largely correlates to 'championship' success. Or at least team improvement.
It is plainly obvious 1997-2020

But for some reason people expect a purely knock out competition where people play in lopsided provinces of huge variations of levels ,to be fair.

I think 'tradition' blinds a lot of people to the bleeding obvious.

How are Leitrim ever going to compete in Connacht or Waterford in Munster for example?