Top Iranian Nuclear Scientist Assassinated?

Stihl waters wrote: »

Who would win in an Iran-isreal conflict, would it be Russian back Iran against an American backed Israel

Israel ,they have being building and planning for the eventualities that iran may make a move at some stage ,they have being playing with iran for years , they've been killing Iranians in their thousands in Syria uncontested ,

You will hear claims of secret Iranian armies hiding under the ground and claims they have this and that ,but unless they take Israel in a few days they Risk more than just an army

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

They're called proxies with some affiliations to Iran. There no evidence Israel wiping out thousands of Iranians in Syria.

The funerals of Iranian military officers and soldiers in Iran say otherwise.

Planes seen an hour over lebennon but yet they didn't see the Isreali jets over Tehran .

suicide_circus wrote: »

Mullingar is the Tehran of Ireland

Is there a bobby sands burger franchise in mullingar?

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Kuwait news publishes fake news

Lol stick to 9/11 .

Fake news

Irans record on minority rights is appalling

Iran stockpiled 12x the nuclear material its agreement with the West allowed.

Nuclear proliferation is not a good thing.

Yet the left wing snake that is eating itself thinks its OK for Itan to build nuclear weapons.

The protestation here is just wokeflake virtue signalling.

No better than the Irish BLM folks who don't care about the poor black people slaughtered by Government forces in Africa, or Muslims in concentration camps in China. Not cool enough for 1st year Arts Students apparently .

Pkiernan wrote: »

How far left do you have to be to think that a nuclear Iran is a good thing?

Ffs

Or a nuclear any country?

My point is having the bomb is a major deterrence against an attack for any country by another country.

Rightly or wrongly. US/Russia/France/China/India/Pakistan/Iran/Israel/N Korea

All have bad points about their society. Why should some decide who can and cannot have nuclear technology?

Cordell wrote: »

Clearly neither USA nor Israel have no moral authority to tell Iran that they can't have nuclear weapons, but it's not about that at all.
It's like the right to have guns in the USA, it's doesn't apply to people with mental health issues, not because the state have any moral authority to tell people not to have guns, but because it's dangerous to let some of them have one.

That's handy for you when you are the one deciding who is "mental" but you might not like it if someone else is doing the deciding and they decide that you are the mental one. You have blinkered vision and only see from the "me" perspective.



If I was an Iranian and living under constant threats and warmongering cries from a close enough neighbour in Israel and backed by their equally antagonistic US big brother then I'm sure I'd be a lot happier to have some nuclear weapons as a deterrent.



What are Iranians expected to do? Trust the US and Israel? The ones that assassinate their generals and scientists? Iran went in with boots on the ground against ISIS and did much of the hard work there. And what happened once the situation was under control? - the US assassinated a top Iranian commander.

myfreespirit wrote: »

Mr. Fakhrizadeh was named in the Guardian as a brigadier general in the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps; this alone makes him a legitimate target for assassination, considering the thuggish nature of the Revolutionary Guard. Added to that fact, he was a leader of the Iranian nuclear program.
No one can seriously believe the current Iranian regime when they claim that the program is peaceful in nature.

The killing is in my opinion justified given the circumstances and the threats made by Iran to Israel.

(https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/27/mohsen-fakhrizadeh-iranian-nuclear-scientist-reportedly-shot-dead-near-tehran)

Well you have to hand it to the Iranians. They are a very well educated people in science and mathematics. (The ones I have met have all been very smart ... although that might be biased given that they were outside of Iran). Actually, the only female to have won the Field medal in mathematics was an Iranian lady



I wonder how many professors of nuclear physics are in the ranks of the Irish army? :pac:



And no, the killing is not justified. In a time of declared war then the opponents military are fair game.

cnocbui wrote: »

Your mental model of Iran is near non-existent. I would expect such a poor appreciation for the character and nature of a country from a 12 year old who had never read a news item on world events.

Iran has been sponsoring and fomenting terrorism for decades, particularly aimed at Israel. If I mentioned Hezbollah your response would be 'bless you'.

How many Iranians do you know?


Your own ignorance is showing through to be fair.

myfreespirit wrote: »

It is somewhat disingenuous to draw a comparison between the Iranian people (who, I agree with you, are well educated in general) and the murderous Iranian regime which threatens peace in the Middle East in pursuit of a nuclear weapons capability.

A stitch in time saves nine...

A lot of the people on the ground aren't that fond of their government but sure what country's citizens are.


If they weren't being threatened with destruction all the time by external forces then there would be more of a chance of that changing.


Their top level just have another excuse today to tell their citizens why they need to stay on their current path. Foreign powers are assassinating their scientists.

Son, we live in a world that has walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lieutenant Weinberg? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for Santiago, and you curse the Marines. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know -- that Santiago's death, while tragic, probably saved lives; and my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives.

You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall -- you need me on that wall.

We use words like "honor," "code," "loyalty." We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punch line.


I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide and then questions the manner in which I provide it.

I would rather that you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon and stand the post. Either way, I don't give a DAMN what you think you're entitled to!

A dangerous game by the Israelis and Trump.

This is a concerted effort to box in Biden's foreign policy. It is calculated to make a return to the previous Iran nuclear deal an impossibility.
It is designed to provoke Iranian military retaliation, with the aim of triggering a US military intervention and fully scuttling any negotiation and detente.

It's stunts like this however that really do highlight the hypocrisy of Western governments denouncing state sponsored terrorism.
It's a tool of statecraft when it meets their aims, but it is violent chaos when it opposes them.

The Iranian response to date has been far calmer than previously and their call to the EU for political action is telling.

Pkiernan wrote: »

Irans record on minority rights is appalling

Iran stockpiled 12x the nuclear material its agreement with the West allowed.

Nuclear proliferation is not a good thing.

Yet the left wing snake that is eating itself thinks its OK for Itan to build nuclear weapons.

The protestation here is just wokeflake virtue signalling.

No better than the Irish BLM folks who don't care about the poor black people slaughtered by Government forces in Africa, or Muslims in concentration camps in China. Not cool enough for 1st year Arts Students apparently .

I honestly partly blame Hollywood movies for this childish mindset. The left are incapable of even considering the fact that both sides could be bad, there always has to be good and a bad side with them, just like a Hollywood movie.