Top Iranian Nuclear Scientist Assassinated?

Kermit.de.frog

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/27/mohsen-fakhrizadeh-iranian-nuclear-scientist-reportedly-shot-dead-near-tehran

Mossad?

So Trump out, who has done much for Israel, Biden in. Now it seems the Israelis want to get as much done before the inauguration as they can.

Or maybe it's just a random mugging...

Gatling

Israel,

that's no random mugging

SafeSurfer

I wonder if the British will call for boycotts of the country responsible? Or do they only do that when Russia is involved?

suicide_circus

4 assailants opening fire on him on a public street near the capital city in broad daylight.

Mossad back in action

They love a good assassination

No Irish passports involved this time I presume

Jimbob1977

The Iranians will be looking for people dressed in tennis gear and carrying rackets.

ChikiChiki

suicide_circus wrote: »

4 assailants opening fire on him on a public street near the capital city in broad daylight.

It basically happened in the Mullingar of Tehran

bilston

SafeSurfer wrote: »

I wonder if the British will call for boycotts of the country responsible? Or do they only do that when Russia is involved?

Why are you bringing the British into this?

Donald Trump

Hopefully the security managed to get at least one or two of the assailants.

Del.Monte

And I don't need to wonder about the official Irish reaction as they are more concerned with Micheal Martin's statement clashing with the Late Late Toy Show. :rolleyes:

Del.Monte

Donald Trump wrote: »

Hopefully the security managed to get at least one or two of the assailants.

Why?

ElJeffe

Well done Israel.

Stihl waters

Del.Monte wrote: »

Why?

Why not, peculiar way of thinking you seem to have

Everlong1

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/27/mohsen-fakhrizadeh-iranian-nuclear-scientist-reportedly-shot-dead-near-tehran

Mossad?

So Trump out, who has done much for Israel, Biden in. Now it seems the Israelis want to get as much done before the inauguration as they can.

Or maybe it's just a random mugging...

What makes you think Biden won't bend over backwards for Israel as every other President has?

Donald Trump

Del.Monte wrote: »

Donald Trump wrote: »

Hopefully the security managed to get at least one or two of the assailants.

Why?

4 assailants murdered someone and you have to ask why I said that I hoped they caught at least some of them?


That's a bit weird

kravmaga

Donald Trump wrote: »

Hopefully the security managed to get at least one or two of the assailants.

What security, did you see the photos, the Mercedes car he was a passenger in was riddled with bullets from the Mossad team.

Donald Trump

kravmaga wrote: »

What security, did you see the photos, the Mercedes car he was a passenger in was riddled with bullets from the Mossad team.

Pity they didn't just use their oul' Krav Maga I suppose


A picture of a car with bullets does not mean that there are no security forces in Iran, or that this fella was not traveling with some security

Tpcl20

Everlong1 wrote: »

What makes you think Biden won't bend over backwards for Israel as every other President has?

Especially seeing as president-in-waiting Kamla Harris is married to a Jewish man. With everything going on in the Labour party in England, I've forgotten whether it's racist to associate Judaism with Israel or what's the ettiquite again.

Placebo Effect

ElJeffe wrote: »

Well done Israel.

Explain why? Murdered an Iranian citizen in his own country who is a scientist ..

Isnt nuclear proliferation worse? Especially when its in the hands of a theocracy?
Nuclear weapons are already in the hands of too many crazy countries.....

Considering the catastrophic consequences of nuclear weapons shooting an 'innocent' scientist in the streets is insignificant and a welcome alternative to hundreds of thousands to millions being vaporised by their invention.

Ekerot

Deleted User wrote: »

Isnt nuclear proliferation worse? Especially when its in the hands of a theocracy?
Nuclear weapons are already in the hands of too many crazy countries.....

Considering the catastrophic consequences of nuclear weapons shooting an 'innocent' scientist in the streets is insignificant and a welcome alternative to hundreds of thousands to millions being vaporised by their invention.

Hello Benjamin Netanyahu

Odhinn

Deleted User wrote: »

Isnt nuclear proliferation worse? Especially when its in the hands of a theocracy?
Nuclear weapons are already in the hands of too many crazy countries.....

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.............including Israel.

suicide_circus

ChikiChiki wrote: »

It basically happened in the Mullingar of Tehran

Mullingar is the Tehran of Ireland

SafeSurfer

bilston wrote: »

Why are you bringing the British into this?

Have a look into their reaction to the poisoning of Sergei Skripal and they reasons why the British convinced even the Irish government to punish Russia.

If state sponsored assassination is really something the British will never tolerate, let them speak up now.

Mal-Adjusted

Israel? Commiting war crimes? I assure you I dropped my monacle in surprise.

SafeSurfer

Ekerot wrote: »

Hello Benjamin Netanyahu

Probably received the go ahead during his recent “secret” meeting with the Saudis. A nice distraction from his corruption charges.

rockatansky

Israel just getting business done before a changing of the guard in the white house.

If this Scientist was as important has to the Iranians he should never have been allowed to be this exposed. The Iranians know too well that Mossad is fully operational within Iran.

I don't see there's any reason for the Iranians to over react to this. Just keep developing stock piles of low yield Uranium and continue with their long Range Rocket and ICBM programme and they are on the right track. Once that Genie is out of the bottle there's no getting it back in.

tigerboon

rockatansky wrote: »

Israel just getting business done before a changing of the guard in the white house.

They mustn't have much faith in the new administration. Also giving a kick to Iran just in case they feel a bit emboldened with Trump gone. Showing both they're not afraid to act on their own.

Cordell

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Have a look into their reaction to the poisoning of Sergei Skripal and they reasons why the British convinced even the Irish government to punish Russia.

If state sponsored assassination is really something the British will never tolerate, let them speak up now.

They don't tolerate when it happens to one of their assets on their soil.
When it happens in a rogue state aiming to get the nuclear power status then it's fair game.
Why are you rooting for the bad guys? Or, for the worse guys, assuming all are bad? The world doesn't need any new nuclear powers, especially a non aligned theocracy of the worst kind.

rockatansky

tigerboon wrote: »

They mustn't have much faith in the new administration. Also giving a kick to Iran just in case they feel a bit emboldened with Trump gone. Showing both they're not afraid to act on their own.

Well they probably see it as Obama returning to the White House, and I'm sure you don't need me to tell you what Bibi and Barack thought about each other.
It may well be a return to the previous deal that was in place.

daheff

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Isnt nuclear proliferation worse? Especially when its in the hands of a theocracy?
Nuclear weapons are already in the hands of too many crazy countries.....

Considering the catastrophic consequences of nuclear weapons shooting an 'innocent' scientist in the streets is insignificant and a welcome alternative to hundreds of thousands to millions being vaporised by their invention.

Maybe they(like N Korea) see having nuclear weapons as the ultimate deterrent to a US led invasion.

Only one country has used Nuclear weapons in war time....wonder who that was??

Ardillaun

That car doesn’t even look armour-plated? You’d wonder whom the Israelis recruited to do this. Azeris? Kurds? Netanyahu and Trump want to make things as difficult for Biden as possible on Iran. Let’s hope some harmless randomers don’t get strung up for this.

cnocbui

Placebo Effect wrote: »

Explain why? Murdered an Iranian citizen in his own country who is a scientist ..

Normally I might agree with you, but not in the case of Iran. Their reprehensible and disgusting penchant for holding western women hostage means they get no sympathy from me. Uncivilised behaviour deserves no sympathy for payment in kind.

Ardillaun

daheff wrote: »

Maybe they(like N Korea) see having nuclear weapons as the ultimate deterrent to a US led invasion.

Only one country has used Nuclear weapons in war time....wonder who that was??

The nice democracy that lectures everyone else on the dangers of nuclear proliferation while breaking its own laws to aid a country with a clandestine 50+ year program and, even more ludicrously, refusing to comment on its very existence.

Placebo Effect

cnocbui wrote: »

Normally I might agree with you, but not in the case of Iran. Their reprehensible and disgusting penchant for holding western women hostage means they get no sympathy from me. Uncivilised behaviour deserves no sympathy for payment in kind.

That’s a broad stroke citing the government for the murder of a citizen in broad daylight . If that’s the case Bruce Springsteen is fair game for the US behaviour in Iraq

SafeSurfer

Cordell wrote: »

They don't tolerate when it happens to one of their assets on their soil.
When it happens in a rogue state aiming to get the nuclear power status then it's fair game.
Why are you rooting for the bad guys? Or, for the worse guys, assuming all are bad? The world doesn't need any new nuclear powers, especially a non aligned theocracy of the worst kind.

“Rooting for the bad guys?”
Are you being serious? Have you looked into anything on the history of US involvement in the Middle East and Iran in particular?

cnocbui

Placebo Effect wrote: »

That’s a broad stroke citing the government for the murder of a citizen in broad daylight . If that’s the case Bruce Springsteen is fair game for the US behaviour in Iraq

I'm happy with it. He's not a random citizen, he's a government employee working on a program related to WMDs. If Bruce Springsteen was a nuclear physicist working on a WMD likely to be used against Iran, they might have a case, but he's not and your example is facile.

Donald Trump

cnocbui wrote: »

Normally I might agree with you, but not in the case of Iran. Their reprehensible and disgusting penchant for holding western women hostage means they get no sympathy from me. Uncivilised behaviour deserves no sympathy for payment in kind.

Will you be in equal apologist mode if a few Middle-Eastern "types" decide to behead some Cambridge professor who works on nuclear research for the UK?

cnocbui

Donald Trump wrote: »

Will you be in equal apologist mode if a few Middle-Eastern "types" decide to behead some Cambridge professor who works on nuclear research for the UK?

No, because the Uk, despite it's many and considerable faults and history, isn't currently an absolute bell-end of a state, unlike Iran. If the UK made a habit of taking visiting women hostage and then torturing and raping them for years until they die or the ransom is paid, I would likely review my position.

Your premise is all countries behave in a similar manner and therefore should be regarded and treated equally. It's an utter fallacy.

Cordell

SafeSurfer wrote: »

“Rooting for the bad guys?”
Are you being serious? Have you looked into anything on the history of US involvement in the Middle East and Iran in particular?

I am quite serious, any setback to their nuclear program is a step towards a safer world.
If anything they should have been more involved, to prevent them from having a nuclear program to begin with.

Donald Trump

cnocbui wrote: »

No, because the Uk, despite it's many and considerable faults and history, isn't currently an absolute bell-end of a state, unlike Iran. If the UK made a habit of taking visiting women hostage and then torturing and raping them for years until they die or the ransom is paid, I would likely review my position.

Your premise is all countries behave in a similar manner and therefore should be regarded and treated equally. It's an utter fallacy.

Ah, so you had a few bad experiences on some of your trips to Iran? .....Have you ever even met a person from there? Or are you one of these people who think it's just a load of fellas on camels walking around the desert and shouting "death to America"?



There are plenty of posters on here who will have been alive when the UK was shooting its own citizens for protesting for civil rights btw. Just in case you weren't aware. Also framing and locking up its citizens for decades.


What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. It's either fine for one country to assassinate another country's scientists or it isn't.

Ardillaun

Cordell wrote: »

I am quite serious, any setback to their nuclear program is a step towards a safer world.
If anything they should have been more involved, to prevent them from having a nuclear program to begin with.

And any move by America and Israel to come clean about Israel’s nuclear program would also be a step to a safer, more honest, world too.

WoollyRedHat

Are they trying to start another World War? Israel need to be put back in their box and fast.

jmreire

glasso wrote: »

Mossad back in action

They love a good assassination

No Irish passports involved this time I presume

No, I'd say that they would have Iranian passports for a job like this.....and obviously very good copies at least ( if not the actual genuine article )

Ardillaun

Ardillaun wrote: »

That car doesn’t even look armour-plated? You’d wonder whom the Israelis recruited to do this. Azeris? Kurds? .

Deliveroo?

Cheerful Spring2

This was very predictable with Trump almost out the door., Israel and United States see the murder of scientists as an acceptable risk for them. It's preferable to all-out strike on Iran nuclear facilities, that risks a war greater than the Iraq war in 2003.

I am guessing there betting was the Iranian response will be low key and manageable? Of course this thinking is based what they saw in Jan, the Iran response to the Soleimani murder.

Actions like this carry risk as you don't know fully want the other party up to. Iran may choose a severe response? Iran may also choose to wait this out for Biden and get back to the deal they signed on to with the United States.

ElJeffe

Placebo Effect wrote: »

Explain why? Murdered an Iranian citizen in his own country who is a scientist ..

It's imperative the backward savage Iranian regime don't get the bomb. I hope Israel takes them all out tbh.

Pkiernan

How far left do you have to be to think that a nuclear Iran is a good thing?

Ffs

Pkiernan

Pkiernan wrote: »

How far left do you have to be to think that a nuclear Iran is a good thing?

Ffs

Trump is the one that tore up the Iran Deal.

bilston

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Have a look into their reaction to the poisoning of Sergei Skripal and they reasons why the British convinced even the Irish government to punish Russia.

If state sponsored assassination is really something the British will never tolerate, let them speak up now.

That was a chemical attack on British soil that killed a civilian and left 4 others in hospital...I think they were probably entitled to be a bit cross about it!

Anyway, I was just interested why you brought Britain into the discussion and you've answered, so thanks!

On the subject in hand, whoever carried this out is taking a big risk, the timing would suggest that it is someone or some country that might be concerned that the US policy towards Iran may change soon.

Also didn't Netanyahu and the Saudi Crown Prince meet a day or two ago.

Cordell

Ardillaun wrote: »

And any move by America and Israel to come clean about Israel’s nuclear program would also be a step to a safer, more honest, world too.

An ideal honest safe world will be one without nuclear weapons. We can't have that yet, so the next best thing is a world in which only the western powers and their allies have them. One step at a time, first let's prevent the nutjobs from getting them (by any means necessary), and then, eventually, when it's safe for us to do so, let's get the whole world rid of them.