Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

Eod100 · 26-11-2020 11:16PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Sounds like the government will cave in to NPHET going by McGrath here

I didn't think so, said government has a duty to take into account all the other factors.

FinglasFollain · 26-11-2020 11:16PM

Cabinet committee to allow restaurants and gastropubs to open.

- Independent push notification

FinglasFollain · 26-11-2020 11:17PM

Also stricter rules on house gatherings. None til the 18th. As a compromise to NPHET.

lukas8888 · 26-11-2020 11:17PM

hmmm wrote: »

Germany's lockdown runs to Dec 20, and Merkel said today it will be extended.

Ah come on,our 14 day rate per 100K is 103,Germany 308.If our rate was now running any where near 300 NPHET Would recommend level 5 until Easter.

KrustyUCC · 26-11-2020 11:18PM

Eod100 wrote: »

I didn't think so, said government has a duty to take into account all the other factors.

I hope you're right but I don't think so

He listed more reasons in that interview to go with NPHET than against them for me

MrMusician18 · 26-11-2020 11:18PM

A good question to have posed tonight is can the country tolerate a higher caseload, given that hospitalisation and deaths are much lower this time around.

If we can tolerate higher cases then the case for reopening becomes stronger.

Goldengirl · 26-11-2020 11:18PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

TBF as the interview went on he did seem to soften a bit going on about 1000, 000 jobs lost etc but it was predicated on health advice no 1 as he knows what the sub committee will recommend tomorrow

If the government don't stand up to NPHET this time they never will imo

Just going by that interview I'd be betting no pubs and restaurants and the government caving into NPHET

I'd like to be wrong though

I don't think cases are low enough to cope with the inevitable surge of people Christmas shopping and heading out to gastro bars etc , then a few days later gathering in houses with a few groups .
Look at what's been happening up North of the border , that is what will happen over Christmas and the New Year .
Do people really want everything open and to hell with it?

Plumbthedepths · 26-11-2020 11:18PM

FinglasFollain wrote: »

Cabinet committee to allow restaurants and gastropubs to open.

- Independent push notification

In other words thanks for the advice Nphet but we're in charge.

hmmm · 26-11-2020 11:19PM

lukas8888 wrote: »

Ah come on,our 14 day rate per 100K is 103,Germany 308.If our rate was now running any where near 300 NPHET Would recommend level 5 until Easter.

I was responding to the poster who seems to think Europe is opening everything and we are some sort of laggard.

jobeenfitz · 26-11-2020 11:19PM

niallo27 wrote: »

Are the rest of Europe completely irresponsible for letting their population have some bit of a life before locking down again for short periods. Look at the UK today letting fans back in stadium's, fans already back in a lot of European countries. Why are we so Conservative in our thinking, if some people on here lived in other European countries they would lose their ****.

Because the HSE management are a very expensive joke. Never got their house in order no matter how many billions thrown at it,because of this our capacity is way lower per capita to most OECD countries.

They (management) have really good salary and pensions though, so not so bad!

KrustyUCC · 26-11-2020 11:20PM

Cabinet Committee agrees to allow pubs and restaurants to open

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/cabinet-committee-agrees-to-allow-pubs-and-restaurants-to-open-39797191.html

That seems like a decent compromise but the devil is in the detail

Atlantic Dawn · 26-11-2020 11:21PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Cabinet Committee agrees to allow pubs and restaurants to open

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/cabinet-committee-agrees-to-allow-pubs-and-restaurants-to-open-39797191.html

That seems like a decent compromise but the devil is in the detail

Perhaps a €18 substantial meal needed.

KrustyUCC · 26-11-2020 11:22PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

I don't think cases are low enough to cope with the inevitable surge of people Christmas shopping and heading out to gastro bars etc , then a few days later gathering in houses with a few groups .
Look at what's been happening up North of the border , that is what will happen over Christmas and the New Year .
Do people really want everything open and to hell with it?

You can't keep everything shut either

Businesses need to trade, people need to see friends, family, partners in other counties especially after over 2 months of lockdown

Eod100 · 26-11-2020 11:23PM

''As a compromise to Nphet, the Government said it will have stricter rules on household gatherings over Christmas.

Household visits will be banned until on December 18 and will only be permitted after that until January 3. Inter county travel will also be permitted in this time period as will religious services.''

Neither really can be enforced, I don't see many waiting from 1st and not to 18th to visit other households.

KrustyUCC · 26-11-2020 11:23PM

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Perhaps a €18 substantial meal needed.

Lol

Can definitely see them reducing no allowed per booking and possibly restaurant capacity overall

Kitchen and chef needed for food so no takeaways etc

quartz1 · 26-11-2020 11:23PM

Well we know who to blame in January .

Goldengirl · 26-11-2020 11:25PM

MrMusician18 wrote: »

A good question to have posed tonight is can the country tolerate a higher caseload, given that hospitalisation and deaths are much lower this time around.

If we can tolerate higher cases then the case for reopening becomes stronger.

That's a good point and true.

What would be the clincher would be the usual seasonal rise in drink related illness, accidents and other respiratory disease on top of the inevitable increase in Covid during this time .

Never a good time in hospital .

KrustyUCC · 26-11-2020 11:25PM

Eod100 wrote: »

''As a compromise to Nphet, the Government said it will have stricter rules on household gatherings over Christmas.

Household visits will be banned until on December 18 and will only be permitted after that until January 3. Inter county travel will also be permitted in this time period as will religious services.''

Neither really can be enforced, I don't see many waiting from 1st and not to 18th to visit other households.

Yes impossible to enforce really

jackboy · 26-11-2020 11:26PM

Eod100 wrote: »

''As a compromise to Nphet, the Government said it will have stricter rules on household gatherings over Christmas.

Household visits will be banned until on December 18 and will only be permitted after that until January 3. Inter county travel will also be permitted in this time period as will religious services.''

Neither really can be enforced, I don't see many waiting from 1st and not to 18th to visit other households.

A great way to really open things up while pretending to have restrictions.

Eod100 · 26-11-2020 11:27PM

MrMusician18 wrote: »

A good question to have posed tonight is can the country tolerate a higher caseload, given that hospitalisation and deaths are much lower this time around.

If we can tolerate higher cases then the case for reopening becomes stronger.

So many unknowns in that, depends how many cases there are, what demographics are primarily affected, etc.

Also assumes healthcare workers will be there no matter what but could be out sick (covid or none), rostered off due to Christmas. After such a tough year for them they're entitled to any limited time off they can get over Christmas of course.

ElJeffe · 26-11-2020 11:27PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Cabinet Committee agrees to allow pubs and restaurants to open

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/cabinet-committee-agrees-to-allow-pubs-and-restaurants-to-open-39797191.html

That seems like a decent compromise but the devil is in the detail

Awful news. Going to be a complete mess in January and February in the hospitals. Feel desperately bad for our doctors and nurses.

lukas8888 · 26-11-2020 11:27PM

hmmm wrote: »

I was responding to the poster who seems to think Europe is opening everything and we are some sort of laggard.

Fair enough, but if Germany,France,or Spain had our numbers do you think they would be agonising over whether or not to open Restaurants.It would not even be a matter of debate.

Eod100 · 26-11-2020 11:28PM

quartz1 wrote: »

Well we know who to blame in January .

The government will probably just blame the public tbh

GazzaL · 26-11-2020 11:28PM

People are crossing county boundaries every day of the week to visit friends, relatives and partners. NPHET are away with the fairies, most people aren't taking their bull**** seriously anymore, anyone who is taking them seriously is a bit simple.

niallo27 · 26-11-2020 11:28PM

quartz1 wrote: »

Well we know who to blame in January .

Who.

giveitholly · 26-11-2020 11:29PM

ElJeffe wrote: »

Awful news. Going to be a complete mess in January and February in the hospitals. Feel desperately bad for our doctors and nurses.

Well maybe if our doctors wore masks at work things might not be as bad,Had an appointment with a consultant two weeks ago and neither him or the junior doctor wore a mask while I had my meeting with him,I was very surprised

ACitizenErased · 26-11-2020 11:29PM

Happy christmas lads. I’m dying for a bowl of chicken wings

hmmm · 26-11-2020 11:30PM

ElJeffe wrote: »

Awful news. Going to be a complete mess in January and February in the hospitals. Feel desperately bad for our doctors and nurses.

Sends out the wrong message entirely I think. "Go mad for a few weeks, and then back into lockdown for a few weeks afterwards to make up for it". Crazy, it's like pretending you can control a wild animal in your home. I feel sorry for our hospital staff and public health people.

niallo27 · 26-11-2020 11:31PM

ElJeffe wrote: »

Awful news. Going to be a complete mess in January and February in the hospitals. Feel desperately bad for our doctors and nurses.

They have been the quietest in years, our trolley numbers have never been this low. I'm sure they will be OK.

FinglasFollain · 26-11-2020 11:31PM

niallo27 wrote: »

Who.

Restaurants, people going to restaurants and anyone to do with opening restaurants, of course.

Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

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