Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

growleaves

hmmm wrote: »

The facts are clear - countries which better control the virus have had better economic outcomes.

People are not going to visit pubs and restaurants when the virus is spreading at high numbers, we have seen twice now that people start restricting their own activities even before a lockdown is announced. How many times do we have to see the same pattern repeated?

If people won't go to pubs and restaurants then why is it necessary to keep them forcibly closed? Why not just leave them open?

eagle eye

ACitizenErased wrote:

Happy christmas lads. I’m dying for a bowl of chicken wings

Did you put up your formula and projections for how many cases we'll have at Christmas?
Seeing as you spend your time questioning everybody else's projections I'm sure you have a formula and projections of your own.

Goldengirl

D.Q wrote: »

Cases mean sweet **** all. Why is that the metric that matters. Hospitals weren't overwhelmed.

Because cases were low , infection and community transmission practically nonexistent.

We are not starting from base like July and August .
These numbers are more like end of September and we all know what happened a few weeks later .

D.Q

eagle eye wrote: »

Did you put up your formula and projections for how many cases we'll have at Christmas?
Seeing as you spend your time questioning everybody else's projections I'm sure you have a formula and projections of your own.

Ah don't be having a sulk because some people are allowed a bit of enjoyment. I'd suggest focusing your fear and anxiety on climate change when this all wraps up. Probably a bit more mileage in it. Slower burn misery obviously but well worth the investment.

wes

Government ignored advice the last time, ended up with us having a 6 week lockdown instead of a 4 week one. The 6 weeks will have caused far more damage than a 4 week one.

This latest decision will once again damage the economy and also cost peoples lives. NPHET will ultimately be proven correct again, and we will have another shutdown, when if we did things right, we could have avoided.

Honestly, its depressing that they are doing this again.

If people are not happy with pubs and restaurants opening, I can only assume you want lockdown until everybody is vaccinated?

Which could be far into 2021 depending on how things pan out.

D.Q

Goldengirl wrote: »

Because cases were low , infection and community transmission practically nonexistent.

We are not starting from base like July and August .
These numbers are more like end of September and we all know what happened a few weeks later .

Wha happened? Did I miss some cataclysmic event?

hmmm

Goldengirl wrote: »

Because cases were low , infection and community transmission practically nonexistent.

We are not starting from base like July and August .
These numbers are more like end of September and we all know what happened a few weeks later .

The same arguments with the same people again who seem to have learned nothing. That includes the government this time.

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=114505124
I'd barely posted the above last time before cases spiked and we went back into lockdown.

wowzer

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Happy christmas lads. I’m dying for a bowl of chicken wings

If ever there was a post to prove you are nothing more than a wind up merchant this is it.

niallo27

hmmm wrote: »

The facts are clear - countries which better control the virus have had better economic outcomes.

People are not going to visit pubs and restaurants when the virus is spreading at high numbers, we have seen twice now that people start restricting their own activities even before a lockdown is announced. How many times do we have to see the same pattern repeated?

So what do you want to see happen, stay in level 5, keep restaurants closed until a vaccine. Allowing people to go for dinner for an hour and half is hardly the end of the world. We have become too soft and if cases do rise to over a 1000 or 1500 then introduce level 5 again, we know it works and we know hospitals will come no where near getting overwhelmed despite the 2 week ****e we always hear.

D.Q

wes wrote: »

Government ignored advice the last time, ended up with us having a 6 week lockdown instead of a 4 week one. The 6 weeks will have caused far more damage than a 4 week one.

This latest decision will once again damage the economy and also cost peoples lives. NPHET will ultimately be proven correct again, and we will have another shutdown, when if we did things right, we could have avoided.

Honestly, its depressing that they are doing this again.

Sorry are you saying we should shutdown to avoid a shut down.

Go to the pub, have a few chicken wings, maybe even a smile or two

wes

wes wrote: »

Government ignored advice the last time, ended up with us having a 6 week lockdown instead of a 4 week one. The 6 weeks will have caused far more damage than a 4 week one.

This latest decision will once again damage the economy and also cost peoples lives. NPHET will ultimately be proven correct again, and we will have another shutdown, when if we did things right, we could have avoided.

Honestly, its depressing that they are doing this again.

Lol!!!

Have you been paying any attention?

If NPHET say 6 weeks, you can assume they really mean 12 and will then want another 6 with very slight relaxations.

It’s just not sustainable anymore.

KrustyUCC

Goldengirl wrote: »

I don't disagree with you on any of that .

But opening all up is a mistake at this time.

If it was going to be enforced properly ,I would say ok .

But we have been here a couple of times before .
Nothing is enforced , and when the proverbial hits the fan everyone starts blaming NPHET ,the hospitals ,the HSE ,the government , the buskers , etc and this will be unenforceable now because , sure its Christmas .

What's all though?

You're talking retail, restaurants and gastro pubs open

I still doubt wet pubs will be allowed open

hmmm

niallo27 wrote: »

So what do you want to see happen, stay in level 5, keep restaurants closed until a vaccine. Allowing people to go for dinner for an hour and half is hardly the end of the world. We have become too soft and if cases do rise to over a 1000 or 1500 then introduce level 5 again, we know it works and we know hospitals will come no where near getting overwhelmed despite the 2 week ****e we always hear.

Maybe not all of us want to have endless Level 5 lockdowns because a few people want to go out for pints?

dmakc

wes wrote: »

Government ignored advice the last time, ended up with us having a 6 week lockdown instead of a 4 week one. The 6 weeks will have caused far more damage than a 4 week one.

This latest decision will once again damage the economy and also cost peoples lives. NPHET will ultimately be proven correct again, and we will have another shutdown, when if we did things right, we could have avoided.

Honestly, its depressing that they are doing this again.

You honestly think Nphet would have left it at 4 weeks? They're barely letting go of this 6 week one.

niallo27

wes wrote: »

Government ignored advice the last time, ended up with us having a 6 week lockdown instead of a 4 week one. The 6 weeks will have caused far more damage than a 4 week one.

This latest decision will once again damage the economy and also cost peoples lives. NPHET will ultimately be proven correct again, and we will have another shutdown, when if we did things right, we could have avoided.

Honestly, its depressing that they are doing this again.

So what your saying we should stay in lockdown now to avoid being in lockdown in the future or how do you recommend we do things right.

growleaves

wes wrote: »

Government ignored advice the last time, ended up with us having a 6 week lockdown instead of a 4 week one. The 6 weeks will have caused far more damage than a 4 week one.

This latest decision will once again damage the economy and also cost peoples lives. NPHET will ultimately be proven correct again, and we will have another shutdown, when if we did things right, we could have avoided.

Honestly, its depressing that they are doing this again.

But if we don't come out of lockdown after 6 weeks then it isn't a 6 week lockdown, surely you can see that? If we stay in for 8 weeks it becomes an 8 week lockdown, 10 weeks etc.

Yes, NPHET will have a collection of asymptomatic PCR test positives which 'proves' we owe Daddy Holohan a humble apology and away we go into another 2 months of embargo.

wes

Deleted User wrote: »

Lol!!!

Have you been paying any attention?

If NPHET say 6 weeks, you can assume they really mean 12 and will then want another 6 with very slight relaxations.

It’s just not sustainable anymore.

A collapsed health care system is not sustainable either.

We will be back to being locked down soon enough, with rising cases and more deaths just like last time.

D.Q

What is this **** hitting the fan that people are talking about? Wha happened in September/October that was so horrible?

Did deaths rise? Were hospitals overwhelmed?

No and no. Maybe Tony holohan can lead yous all pied piper style to a safe house underground to hide until the vaccine arrives.

Polar101

I thought the Vintner's Association didn't think it was worth opening anything just for a few weeks, so will they be against government recommendations now?

wes

dmakc wrote: »

You honestly think Nphet would have left it at 4 weeks? They're barely letting go of this 6 week one.

If the number justified it, then yes.

Hulk Hands

I still can't get over the stupidity of the argument "stay in lockdown now so we can avoid a lockdown later"

niallo27

hmmm wrote: »

Maybe not all of us want to have endless Level 5 lockdowns because a few people want to go out for pints?

So what do you want to see happen, you keep avoiding the question. What would you have done. Also getting out for a meal and feeling normal for an hour or 2 isn't just all about going for pints.

Eod100

''Senior sources said that there would be tighter rules including cutting the time allowed at a table and cutting the number of people allowed to sit together in restaurants.'' What was it up to now, max 6 at a table and 1 hour 45/2 hours?

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/restaurants-and-gastropubs-to-reopen-in-december-under-government-plan-1.4420274

stephenjmcd

Eod100 wrote: »

''Senior sources said that there would be tighter rules including cutting the time allowed at a table and cutting the number of people allowed to sit together in restaurants.'' What was it up to now, max 6 at a table and 1 hour 45/2 hours?

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/restaurants-and-gastropubs-to-reopen-in-december-under-government-plan-1.4420274

6 and 1.45 but to be honest for restaurants no idea how you can cut the 1hr 45 you'd be struggling to finish a decent 3 course in less.

Then again the 1hr 45 mins was quite loosely applied

GazzaL

hmmm wrote: »

Maybe not all of us want to have endless Level 5 lockdowns because a few people want to go out for pints?

The only reason we're in a level 5 lockdown is because NPHET failed to put in place a suitable testing and contact tracing regime and failed to improve ICU capacity. We're not in level 5 because of pubs, and if we go to level 5 again in January, it won't be because of pubs, it'll be because of NPHET's continued failures.

NPHET predominantely consists of the top brass of the failed HSE. It's unrealistic to expect them to achieve anything remotely successful given their track record of failure. Unfortunately, they have been the de facto government since March, hence why the country and the economy is going down the toilet.

KrustyUCC

Yeah 105 mins and 6 afaik

So maybe 90 mins and 4 in a table?

MOR316

Eod100 wrote: »

''Senior sources said that there would be tighter rules including cutting the time allowed at a table and cutting the number of people allowed to sit together in restaurants.'' What was it up to now, max 6 at a table and 1 hour 45/2 hours?

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/restaurants-and-gastropubs-to-reopen-in-december-under-government-plan-1.4420274

I would imagine it would stay at two hours. But again, how do you enforce that?

I'll be on my own anyways so, don't give a **** about number cuttings personally

D.Q

Thankfully the government are finally making the right calls and we're not being held to ransom by power mad civil servants and paranoid curtain twitching maniacs.


Roll on Christmas. Roll on chicken wings. Roll on lovely pints.

wes

growleaves wrote: »

But if we don't come out of lockdown after 6 weeks then it isn't a 6 week lockdown, surely you can see that? If we stay in for 8 weeks it becomes an 8 week lockdown, 10 weeks etc.

Yes, NPHET will have a collection of asymptomatic PCR test positives which 'proves' we owe Daddy Holohan a humble apology and away we go into another 2 months of embargo.

NPHET recommendations are based on numbers, and they have been proven correct several times already.

We know that to remain open we need to keep the numbers low. If we don't we end up needing a lockdown. Why people can't cop this is beyond me. Letting the virus run wild doesn't work either. Sweden economy is worse than there neighbors.

So again, get the numbers down low, and keep them down low, if we want to maintain stuff staying open.