Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

caveat emptor · 25-10-2020 08:21PM

More info on German setup....
Seems fairly straightforward. Treated as actual bodily harm. State recognises that what is good for the many must sometimes come before the individual.

https://se-legal.de/breaking-quarantine-criminal-offence-in-germany-covid-19-coronavirus/?lang=en

I Am The Law · 25-10-2020 08:25PM

manniot2 wrote: »

There is an Irish doctor on Twitter with a good thread on the farcical PCR tests. He ends it by saying Leo knows it’s a farce but it’s political poison to go against Tony again. On the money there.

The bigger question is why did St.Tony return to the job so cranky.

owlbethere · 25-10-2020 08:27PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

More info on German setup....
Seems fairly straightforward. Treated as actual bodily harm. State recognises that what is good for the many must sometimes come before the individual.

https://se-legal.de/breaking-quarantine-criminal-offence-in-germany-covid-19-coronavirus/?lang=en

Proper order. There was isolation breakers here in the news/media and there were given a free pass to do as they please and want infecting others, increasing infection rates and thus the government collapsing businesses to control further spread of the virus.

WoollyRedHat · 25-10-2020 08:27PM

440Hertz wrote: »

Not sure if this has already been posted further back up the thread, but from the Irish Examiner. Seems to underline the urgent need for airport screening.

"A report into the outbreak states the laboratory-confirmed cases were linked to an international flight into Ireland in summer 2020.

That 7.5 hour-long flight, in which 49 of its 283 seats were filled, is believed to have landed at Dublin Airport in June.

The HSE was unable to contact 11 of the 49 passengers on board, and one of the passengers refused to be tested for Covid-19."

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40070591.html

'and one of the passengers refused to be tested for Covid-19.' Prick, should have been stopped at border control on way back.

Thierry12 · 25-10-2020 08:31PM

manniot2 wrote: »

There is an Irish doctor on Twitter with a good thread on the farcical PCR tests. He ends it by saying Leo knows it’s a farce but it’s political poison to go against Tony again. On the money there.

Link?

Funsterdelux · 25-10-2020 08:39PM

farce doctor twitter

Thierry12 wrote: »

Link?

Stheno · 25-10-2020 08:45PM

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/covid-19-public-urged-to-stay-at-home-as-1-025-further-cases-confirmed-in-state-1.4390739?mode=amp

Tánaiste Leo Varadkar told RTÉ’s This Week that while it is “early days”, the Level 3 restrictions put in place in early October “are starting to have an effect”.

“You know we’re seeing the number of cases level off and the positivity rate fall. It is early days yet though, and we’ve yet to see what the effect of the Level 5 measures is, we won’t really know that until really November sometime.”

Mr Varadkar said the Government is “increasingly optimistic” that it will be possible to start vaccinating those most at risk from Covid-19 “in the first half if not first quarter of next year”.

He said he is confident that Ireland can move to “Level 3 and a bit” in December. “But at the same time, we need to not be complacent.”

Level 3 and a bit in December according to Leo

I'm not sure even 50% of the population would comply. There would have to be huge enforcement

Fiery mutant · 25-10-2020 08:46PM

Link says she doesn’t exist.

bb1234567 · 25-10-2020 08:46PM

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/25/covid-world-map-countries-most-coronavirus-cases-deaths

Ireland is now one of the only countries in Europe where cases dropped in the last week, Netherlands is the only other country in Western Europe that saw a drop in cases. I know our early precautions were criticised because the situation didn't warrant their use but maybe we actually took a proactive and beneficial stance this time that most other countries did not foresee, the best time to implement new measures for covid is before it the measures are actually 'necessary' but I don't think many people are ever going to realise or accept that

KrustyUCC · 25-10-2020 08:47PM

Needs to be level three minus a bit especially in relation to travel

DeanAustin · 25-10-2020 08:49PM

owlbethere wrote: »

Proper order. There was isolation breakers here in the news/media and there were given a free pass to do as they please and want infecting others, increasing infection rates and thus the government collapsing businesses to control further spread of the virus.

Hard to do it here when you have clowns in the Dail saying that fines are too harsh for breaking the 5k limit. Rules without enforcement and people without responsibility for their own actions...

I don't blame the government either. It's people like PBP and wasn't there a member of FF or FG who was also against them?

mcburns07 · 25-10-2020 08:49PM

bb1234567 wrote: »

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/25/covid-world-map-countries-most-coronavirus-cases-deaths

Ireland is now one of the only countries in Europe where cases dropped in the last week, Netherlands is the only other country in Western Europe that saw a drop in cases. I know our early precautions were criticised because the situation didn't warrant their use but maybe we actually took a proactive and beneficial stance this time that most other countries did not foresee

We're a great bunch of lads aren't we!

The actual reality of the situation is other countries don't want to impose the level of restrictions we have for various reasons (for now).

Stheno · 25-10-2020 08:51PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Needs to be level three minus a bit especially in relation to travel

What of people coming home for Christmas? Imagine a mass influx from the UK now?

Jim_Hodge · 25-10-2020 08:56PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Needs to be level three minus a bit especially in relation to travel

If you mean international travel over Christmas and New year, then hopefully not.
Mass movement of people is not something we'd need at that point.

niallo27 · 25-10-2020 08:57PM

Stheno wrote: »

What of people coming home for Christmas? Imagine a mass influx from the UK now?

Not if the pubs are open over there and not here.

bb1234567 · 25-10-2020 08:57PM

mcburns07 wrote: »

We're a great bunch of lads aren't we!

The actual reality of the situation is other countries don't want to impose the level of restrictions we have for various reasons (for now).

Obviously..it'll turn out to be a mistake though because of the earlier reluctance and delay to do what we did. Belgium and France are well on their way to experiencing a second wave as bad as their first

Eod100 · 25-10-2020 08:59PM

Stheno wrote: »

What of people coming home for Christmas? Imagine a mass influx from the UK now?

Guess it could be same it always was for travel all along, only for essential reasons. If there's checkpoints stopping people from going to different counties while people can fly back don't think people would be too happy. But either restrictions will only work if there's massive enforcement.

Stheno · 25-10-2020 08:59PM

bb1234567 wrote: »

Obviously..it'll turn out to be a mistake though because of the earlier reluctance and delay to do what we did. Belgium and France are well on their way to experiencing a second wave as bad as their first

Both are already worse than the first wave

Belgium cannot even test all those with symptoms

CalamariFritti · 25-10-2020 09:01PM

Goldrickssan wrote: »

The world will implode if these vaccines turn out to be complete ass

Wouldn't put it quite like that but I understand its been confirmed these vaccines are nothing like what people expect them to be. They wont give you immunity. They will not stop you getting it. And they will not stop you spreading it.

It does not sound at all like the are going to give people their lives back. Protect the vulnerable/health-system will go on regardless. And all the implications that come with it. Distancing, masks, forget concerts matches bars and clubs.

Goldrickssan · 25-10-2020 09:02PM

CalamariFritti wrote: »

Especially since its been confirmed that the vaccines are nothing like what people expect them to be. They wont give you immunity. They will not stop you getting it. And they will not stop you spreading it.

It does not sound at all like the are going to give people their lives back. Protect the vulnerable/health-system will go on regardless. And all the implications that come with it. Distancing, masks, forget concerts matches bars and clubs.

Wait, so what will these vaccines do? Give you a second arse?

GooglePlus · 25-10-2020 09:04PM

Goldrickssan wrote: »

Wait, so what will these vaccines do? Give you a second arse?

We barely have enough toilet roll as it is.

Stheno · 25-10-2020 09:04PM

Goldrickssan wrote: »

Wait, so what will these vaccines do? Give you a second arse?

The first ones may only reduce the severity of the infection

However that is speculation until trial results are released

Goldrickssan · 25-10-2020 09:05PM

Stheno wrote: »

The first ones may only reduce the severity of the infection

However that is speculation until trial results are released

Well that sounds like a treatment not a vaccine? Find that hard to believe!

440Hertz · 25-10-2020 09:09PM

Just remember there are over 134 vaccines in development and this virus is proving to be less unstable than people had feared. There's some degree of RNA checking going on in it, so it's less unstable than say influenza, which means ew might have good shot at a successful vaccine (or more likely several vaccines).

It's not all doom and gloom, but I wouldn't pin all my hopes on it either, particularly as it will be a gargantuan task to get any vaccine rolled out. So you're talking probably most of 2021.

normanoffside · 25-10-2020 09:12PM

Stheno wrote: »

What of people coming home for Christmas? Imagine a mass influx from the UK now?

Very simple. Make sure they get tested before they fly or give them an option to get tested on arrival.
Otherwise they must restrict their movements on arrival and if not this can be punished with fines (like Germany).

There are so many private companies now offering private tests for travel clearance certificates (Which most EU countries require from travellers from Ireland) that it would be incredibly easy to implement this system.

Travellers would happily pay the costs of tests and government has literally nothing to lose.

Spiderman0081 · 25-10-2020 09:14PM

Goldrickssan wrote: »

Well that sounds like a treatment not a vaccine? Find that hard to believe!

I find it very, very believable.

KrustyUCC · 25-10-2020 09:16PM

Stheno wrote: »

What of people coming home for Christmas? Imagine a mass influx from the UK now?

That will come

One famous town in Limerick is bound to be full

UrbanFret · 25-10-2020 09:19PM

Stheno wrote: »

The first ones may only reduce the severity of the infection

However that is speculation until trial results are released

With all due respect that is nonsense.

David Eltringham, managing director at George Eliot Hospital NHS Trust, said there is no definite date for the vaccine yet, but there are plans to deploy it from the beginning of December.
But the optimistic memo will raise hopes that a vaccine with the potential to free Britain from local lockdowns, socialising and face masks could be close.
It comes as a coronavirus vaccine developed at Oxford University is 'doing everything expected' and provokes strong immunity to the virus, according to a study.

CalamariFritti · 25-10-2020 09:20PM

Goldrickssan wrote: »

Well that sounds like a treatment not a vaccine? Find that hard to believe!

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/1022/1173108-covid-19-vaccine-effectiveness/

It is speculation like someone else said but its a possibility.

MOR316 · 25-10-2020 09:20PM

They would have to allow travel between counties during Christmas. It would be absolutely farcical if they didn't and would truly ruin a lot of families' Christmas

What does Teflon Holohan say? Any of his devout followers any clue?

Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

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