Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

normanoffside wrote: »

No, he has taken on a new role and now he advises us all directly.

Covid is the new Religion, bit like the Catholic Church and we must all obey

Tony = Pope
Government = Bishops
Guards = Priests

Antares35 wrote: »

Yeah it's insane the number of people who just don't give a fúck about the 2metre thing anymore. We notice that in the local park. There was a time if people were approaching, everyone would kind of go single file ish and move to one side or the other of the path. Nobody cares now it seems.

They would be better a social distancing if there we no masks.

Spiderman0081 wrote: »

They would be better a social distancing if there we no masks.

As soon as the masks came in, people were on top of each other in the shops/queues again.

We are a nation of sensitive petals /snowflakes and to be very gently handled by gov and it’s agencies. I was shocked by the immediate outburst from all sides - and led by the opposition when the HSE had a plan to ask Covid 19 positives to contact people that were in close contact with.
Firstly, I understand that not all people who contact Covid get very sick and even if they do it may not be the case for the first few days of the virus, so I would expect that a significant number of those infected could make a good stab at contacting a lot/ all of their close contacts.

Secondly, a high number of those infected would have , husbands, wives, mothers , fathers, uncles , aunts, grandmothers , etc, etc , that could do the contact tracing on behalf of the person infected.

So why was it not the case that the contact tracing could have been done with some basic cooperation between the infected person and the HSE. The contact tracing under the above suggestion could be carried out much, much quicker.
The HSE would establish with each infected person at the outset the list of close contacts and agree a strategy on who will contact who. The infected persons would be much quicker in contacting contacts also because they would find their tel no’s quicker and , know the best time to contact them.

The HSE contact team , re the above strategy, would need to follow up on the infected person/‘next of kin’ re how the tracing is progressing

Field east wrote: »

We are a nation of sensitive petals /snowflakes and to be very gently handled by gov and it’s agencies. I was shocked by the immediate outburst from all sides - and led by the opposition when the HSE had a plan to ask Covid 19 positives to contact people that were in close contact with.
Firstly, I understand that not all people who contact Covid get very sick and even if they do it may not be the case for the first few days of the virus, so I would expect that a significant number of those infected could make a good stab at contacting a lot/ all of their close contacts.

Secondly, a high number of those infected would have , husbands, wives, mothers , fathers, uncles , aunts, grandmothers , etc, etc , that could do the contact tracing on behalf of the person infected.

So why was it not the case that the contact tracing could have been done with some basic cooperation between the infected person and the HSE. The contact tracing under the above suggestion could be carried out much, much quicker.
The HSE would establish with each infected person at the outset the list of close contacts and agree a strategy on who will contact who. The infected persons would be much quicker in contacting contacts also because they would find their tel no’s quicker and , know the best time to contact them.

The HSE contact team , re the above strategy, would need to follow up on the infected person/‘next of kin’ re how the tracing is progressing

Cooperation went out the window when people weren’t allowed 2km from their home. That was not the HSE’s fault per say, but if NPHET and the government are bright enough to know what an entire country should and should not be doing, the vast majority of the population will expect that same government to figure contact tracing out.

Roger_007 wrote: »

I wonder how many are actually sick?

Between 1500 and 2600 will need hospitalization depending on the profile of infection.

There is an Irish doctor on Twitter with a good thread on the farcical PCR tests. He ends it by saying Leo knows it’s a farce but it’s political poison to go against Tony again. On the money there.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/25/covid-world-map-countries-most-coronavirus-cases-deaths

Ireland is now one of the only countries in Europe where cases dropped in the last week, Netherlands is the only other country in Western Europe that saw a drop in cases. I know our early precautions were criticised because the situation didn't warrant their use but maybe we actually took a proactive and beneficial stance this time that most other countries did not foresee, the best time to implement new measures for covid is before it the measures are actually 'necessary' but I don't think many people are ever going to realise or accept that

owlbethere wrote: »

Proper order. There was isolation breakers here in the news/media and there were given a free pass to do as they please and want infecting others, increasing infection rates and thus the government collapsing businesses to control further spread of the virus.

Hard to do it here when you have clowns in the Dail saying that fines are too harsh for breaking the 5k limit. Rules without enforcement and people without responsibility for their own actions...

I don't blame the government either. It's people like PBP and wasn't there a member of FF or FG who was also against them?