Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

RonaVirus

No deaths today. Never mind your 6 weeks, I say we lock down for six months, with a 2km limit and no shops open at all.

Fred Cryton

The debacle over botched PPE from China - he ordered it


The recent scandal over telling people to do their own contact tracing - he's the man in charge


The utter waste of millions of taxpayer money on dodgy hand santizer - buck stops with him.



How is this man who didn't graduate secondary school in charge of a €20bn health budget? Telling us "its a pandemic" is not good enough, these mistakes are not happening in other countries. He's a spoofer and a chancer and totally out of his depth.

KrustyUCC

RonaVirus wrote: »

No deaths today. Never mind your 6 weeks, I say we lock down for six months, with a 2km limit and no shops open at all.

Fair play

You definitely think outside the box

Nice trolling in fairness

yosser hughes

I completely agree. He's as slippery as a politician and goes to ground quite often. He is never asked a hard question by the media though. Some of the shyte he posts on Twitter is awful fridge magnet philosophy stuff.
I'm scratching my head as to how he got the job. As you say, it's a massive budget.

hmmm

Stheno wrote: »

Level 3 and a bit in December according to Leo

I'm not sure even 50% of the population would comply. There would have to be huge enforcement

The most important thing about Level 3 in my view is that it closes indoor venues where people congregate. This is where we get the super-spreading and where one case turns into 30. So whether people comply or not isn't particularly critical (btw I disagree, I think most people will do their best).

Irish Stones

Fred Cryton wrote: »

these mistakes are not happening in other countries.

In other countries there are similar or worse mistakes.
I am based in Italy, and we have ours.

Stheno

hmmm wrote: »

The most important thing about Level 3 in my view is that it closes indoor venues where people congregate. This is where we get the super-spreading and where one case turns into 30. So whether people comply or not isn't particularly critical (btw I disagree, I think most people will do their best).

Do you think extended families will not meet up in each others homes?

Sconsey

UrbanFret wrote: »

With all due respect that is nonsense.


David Eltringham, managing director at George Eliot Hospital NHS Trust, said there is no definite date for the vaccine yet, but there are plans to deploy it from the beginning of December.
But the optimistic memo will raise hopes that a vaccine with the potential to free Britain from local lockdowns, socialising and face masks could be close.
It comes as a coronavirus vaccine developed at Oxford University is 'doing everything expected' and provokes strong immunity to the virus, according to a study.

I think you are mistaking “sterilising immunity” with immunity from infection. There has been strong evidence from the initial trials that the vaccines will provide protection from infection (people won't get sick). But as for sterilising immunity, that has not been observed. It may happen, we'll know better after phase 3. Work on vaccines will probably continue for years to develop one that provides sterilising immunity. We can still hope though.

SeaBreezes

Roger_007 wrote: »

Most people expect a much hyped vaccine to more or less guarantee 100% protection against infection. If it transpires that the vaccines which come on stream do not really protect against infection, then the uptake will be very poor. Why would anyone in good health risk being vaccinated with a new, and poorly tested, vaccine against what is mild infection in most cases.
There is no way that any vaccine currently in development can have been tested for long term effects.

Rushed yes,with good reason. But, this is THE most scrutinised vaccine EVER!! That gives me hope.

hmmm

Stheno wrote: »

Do you think extended families will not meet up in each others homes?

I don't want to sound like a politician, but I have great faith in Irish people to do the right thing if it is communicated properly to them. I think families will meet up over Christmas, but it might not be at the same table as their grandparents, and definitely won't be in pubs.

It's time to start communicating a message that at Christmas this year we will need to be careful, and it can't be like previous years.

There's also a message about ventilation and the safety of indoors vs outdoors which for some reason is not being communicated by our public health people.

political analyst

Prof. Edgar Morgenroth wrote this article.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/business/economy/arid-40070780.html

While there are good reasons for restrictions that reduce the Covid infection rate, given the costs imposed on society, it is important to ask if there are less costly ways to deal with this pandemic.

Data from the European Centre for Disease Control (ECDC) shows that the deaths of those infected with Covid, as a share of the population, are about three times higher in Ireland than in Austria, Denmark, and Germany.

This is all the more troubling given the fact that Ireland has had a more restrictive regime than those three countries, and suggests that there is significant scope for improvement.

Stheno

hmmm wrote: »

I don't want to sound like a politician, but I have great faith in Irish people to do the right thing if it is communicated properly to them. I think families will meet up over Christmas, but it might not be at the same table as their grandparents, and definitely won't be in pubs.

It's time to start communicating a message that at Christmas this year we will need to be careful, and it can't be like previous years.

There's also a message about ventilation and the safety of indoors vs outdoors which for some reason is not being communicated by our public health people.

I applaud your optimism

Leo’s broadcast this evening on 9pm news is anti-local shop and pro multi national - fck u Leo- you’re killing Irish local business

political analyst

Why will the government not listen to Dr Martin Feeley, whose article 'manniot2' linked on this thread in post 5372.

c montgomery

SeaBreezes wrote: »

Rushed yes,with good reason. But, this is THE most scrutinised vaccine EVER!! That gives me hope.

Thanks God for capitals, now I'm assured

Funsterdelux

manniot2 wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/martin-feeley-hospital-admissions-don-t-justify-pressing-the-panic-button-1.4390870

Should be a spoiler warning for kids

bb1234567

manniot2 wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/martin-feeley-hospital-admissions-don-t-justify-pressing-the-panic-button-1.4390870

Should we have waited a week or two before we were forced to take action and then we would be like Belgium or Czech Republic, Belgium hospitalised over 600 covid patients on Friday alone, there's 800 covid patients in ICU in Czech Rep, these countries only have double our population. The trajectory of Dublin's cases and the rest of the country was crystal feckin clear in September before Level 3 and then 5 were implemented.

We did well in this instance, time to step back and appreciate that. Well considered premature actions means in Ireland we may have a Chrimstas, while mianland Europe will probably be facing a protracted lockdown as long as the one in April because they waited too long. We did the right thing and we were the only ones who did it on time.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/25/covid-world-map-countries-most-coronavirus-cases-deaths
I'll post this again as you may have missed, Ireland is one of two countries in Western Europe with decreasing COVID cases.


Although I'm sure it'll absolutely kill a few of the regulars on here to admit the irish government clearly took the correct actions that all other European governments neglected to - NPHET were completely right.

podgeandrodge

Catching up.

Have they explained yet why shops can't stay open when it's mass gatherings and spending long time in confined spaces that they say is causing it?

I dont know if this has been mentioned before, but where my relatives live near the border, Tinder has been running as normal. Young and not so young going over and back to Strabane and Derry and vice versa. Its hard to police that when there are approx 12 ways to cross the border in that region.

hmmm

political analyst wrote: »

Prof. Edgar Morgenroth wrote this article.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/business/economy/arid-40070780.html

Not great in my opinion. There's posters on here making much better arguments against Level 5 restrictions.

"For example, it is hard to justify why you cannot stand in your garden with someone not from your household, while it is okay to walk with them past your house. Does the virus spread more in gardens? "

People meeting in gardens turns into "can I use the bathroom" and "it's started to rain sure bring your tea inside". This has been discussed before.

Ficheall

Deleted User wrote: »

Where is Sam McConkey's 5000 daily cases for Dublin by Halloween? That's right, nowhere. The fact that the media are keeping him on as a talking head speaks volumes. Level 3 is good enough, let us hundreds of thousands get back to work and achieve some semblance of a Christmas. We're stuck with this virus until a vaccine is market ready, like it or lump it.

You mean the 5000 cases a day he warned of "if they remained on the [then]-current trajectory"? I'm pretty sure he didn't do any crystal ball ouija board stuff - he just plugged the numbers into a simple mathematical formula, using the same exponential growth rate at which the numbers had been growing.


Here, I'm guessing, based on a brief glance at a graph of infections per 100k at the time and some quick calculations, is approximately the formula he used:
5.44*100(1+0.37)^7=4927.
(5.44 times the 100k for pop of dublin, 100 cases on the day he made the call, 0.37 weekly growth rate at the time - seems to be roughly in keeping with the increase from the preceding week or two-, and 7 weeks in the future.



A few days AFTER that, the Level 3 restrictions, which you're advocating we return to, were introduced, and did indeed reduce the rate of growth. Whether his fears would have come to pass without any restrictions, I don't know, but had the cases increased at the same rate, as he said, then his plugging the numbers into a formula seem reasonably accurate.



What calculations had you made in the middle of September, assuming zero intervention, that made McConkey's so risible?

hmmm

Ficheall wrote: »

You mean the 5000 cases a day he warned of "if they remained on the [then]-current trajectory"? I'm pretty sure he didn't do any crystal ball ouija board stuff - he just plugged the numbers into a simple mathematical formula, using the same exponential growth rate at which the numbers had been growing.

Same poster will be back in a few weeks asking "why did we not see all the deaths we were told about?" and speculating whether the Irish version of Covid is uniquely weaker than all the other strains.

Boggles

manniot2 wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/martin-feeley-hospital-admissions-don-t-justify-pressing-the-panic-button-1.4390870

WoollyRedHat

People who are saying our restrictions are extreme may have a point if it wasn't surging in several countries across Europe, including hospitalizations and ICU admissions. But it is, so our cautious approach has so far been proven right. But it will all be for naught if the government/ HSE don't get their **** together in the meantime.

WoollyRedHat

Irish Stones wrote: »

In other countries there are similar or worse mistakes.
I am based in Italy, and we have ours.

Doesn't mean we should try to emulate them.

WoollyRedHat

Fred Cryton wrote: »

The debacle over botched PPE from China - he ordered it


The recent scandal over telling people to do their own contact tracing - he's the man in charge


The utter waste of millions of taxpayer money on dodgy hand santizer - buck stops with him.



How is this man who didn't graduate secondary school in charge of a €20bn health budget? Telling us "its a pandemic" is not good enough, these mistakes are not happening in other countries. He's a spoofer and a chancer and totally out of his depth.

He previously was CEO of Eircom, another World Class institution.

Bubbaclaus

Fred Cryton wrote: »

The debacle over botched PPE from China - he ordered it


The recent scandal over telling people to do their own contact tracing - he's the man in charge


The utter waste of millions of taxpayer money on dodgy hand santizer - buck stops with him.



How is this man who didn't graduate secondary school in charge of a €20bn health budget? Telling us "its a pandemic" is not good enough, these mistakes are not happening in other countries. He's a spoofer and a chancer and totally out of his depth.

Can't see how the PPE and hand sanitizer can be blamed on him under any sort of logical argument.

Polar101

317 in hospitals and 37 in ICU - in the north. Almost identical numbers with the Republic.

WoollyRedHat

Anyone know what our 14-day incidence rate now stands at?

KennisWhale

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I dont know if this has been mentioned before, but where my relatives live near the border, Tinder has been running as normal. Young and not so young going over and back to Strabane and Derry and vice versa. Its hard to police that when there are approx 12 ways to cross the border in that region.

Puritan-advocating extremist view in this post.

It's so bizarre how all the extremist nutjobs come out in this thread, using covid as an excuse to spout such sh1te.