Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

BringBackMick · 25-10-2020 04:33PM

any swabs today or it 48hr job

Boggles · 25-10-2020 04:33PM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

Hospital numbers down to 295 this morning. They usually increase over the weekend, I think

Up to 319 now.

24 in, 20 out.

Numbers are all over the place the past few days.

Kermit.de.frog · 25-10-2020 04:35PM

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

Certain hospitals have closed elective procedures already (Cavan, Cork and Limerick at times in recent weeks).

Flu probably won't hit that badly (please please god) as level 5 restrictions will hit the flu on the head.

The closure of pubs and nightclubs have had an effect on the people using A&E as a drunk tank. My father had too bad hospital stays last year that had multiday trolley waits before being put on a ward. It shocked me (during the night I stayed over night in a chair) to see multiple people on trolleys just too drunk and being medically monitored clogging up A&E.

The pandemic has exposed that a lot of problems with our health service actually come from behaviour of the general public particularly drunks and addicts. This is not ignoring failings in the system btw.

We should take this opportunity to reboot things.

Definitely when it comes to blocking beds while very sick or older people have to sit on chairs (I've experienced it myself, it's disgraceful) drunks should be either turned away or made to pay big fines.

We can't go back to business as usual after this in terms of our hospitals.

We need to re-evaluate things from scratch.

caveat emptor · 25-10-2020 04:37PM

Very informative video. Based on the states but relevant info. Not a good prognosis for the US. If level 5 doesn't get cases down to a manageable amount will we be asked to stay separate for Christmas? We've seen the impact of communions and GAA events when cases were low/ Christmas is the definition of super spreader event. Vaccine and magic new drugs not here yet. If the health system remains fragile Christmas will remain in jeopardy.

Goldrickssan · 25-10-2020 04:38PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The pandemic has exposed that a lot of problems with our health service actually come from behaviour of the general public particularly drunks and addicts. This is not ignoring failings in the system btw.

We should take this opportunity to reboot things.

Definitely when it comes to blocking beds while very sick or older people have to sit on chairs (I've experienced it myself, it's disgraceful) drunks should be either turned away or made to pay big fines.

We can't go back to business as usual after this in terms of our hospitals.

We need to re-evaluate things from scratch.

The HSE won't be fixed by a reboot. There is hardware there since the old health boards hogging resources.

Full hardware refresh is needed.

JimToken · 25-10-2020 04:42PM

Goldrickssan wrote: »

The HSE won't be fixed by a reboot. There is hardware there since the old health boards hogging resources.

Full hardware refresh is needed.

Gardai would be a good comparison

Change from the top down if it works

speckle · 25-10-2020 04:42PM

guys and gals did anyone make the same mistake as me and put their clocks back an hour last night. Covid fog or what!

frank8211 · 25-10-2020 04:43PM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

GAA again. The county Champions

https://www.gaa.ie/football/news/kildare-sfc-final-athy-edge-out-moorefield/

so the gaa are behind these sheebeens?

25-10-2020 04:48PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The pandemic has exposed that a lot of problems with our health service actually come from behaviour of the general public particularly drunks and addicts. This is not ignoring failings in the system btw.

We should take this opportunity to reboot things.

Definitely when it comes to blocking beds while very sick or older people have to sit on chairs (I've experienced it myself, it's disgraceful) drunks should be either turned away or made to pay big fines.

We can't go back to business as usual after this in terms of our hospitals.

We need to re-evaluate things from scratch.

Lol, sure wouldn’t it be great if we just closed pubs, clubs, cancelled gigs, banned sports etc.

Be better for the hospitals. Lockdown forever.

mloc123 · 25-10-2020 04:48PM

frank8211 wrote: »

so the gaa are behind these sheebeens?

Not running them, just using them...

https://streamable.com/syj4zh

mr zulu · 25-10-2020 04:48PM

speckle wrote: »

guys and gals did anyone make the same mistake as me and put their clocks back an hour last night. Covid fog or what!

What are u on about, the clocks did go back last night

440Hertz · 25-10-2020 04:49PM

Stheno wrote: »

Would you go to hospital if you absolutely didn't have to?

Theres also the possibility flu has not hit yet and not all elective procedures are being done

There's a fairly strong possibility the social distancing, hand washing/sanitising and masks is having a very dramatic impact on the flu season too. The same measures as we're using for coronavirus are inevitably having a big impact on influenza transmission too.

Rob A. Bank · 25-10-2020 04:50PM

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

Certain hospitals have closed elective procedures already (Cavan, Cork and Limerick at times in recent weeks).

Flu probably won't hit that badly (please please god) as level 5 restrictions will hit the flu on the head.

Indeed... the measures taken worldwide so far have suppressed the flu viruses to a great extent. (note the figures on the y axis in the graphs below)

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Too bad that Covid-19 has been able to sidestep all these measures... Its a very sneaky elusive virus... presymptomatic and asymptomatic spread, superspreaders and airbourne transmission etc. etc.

25-10-2020 04:51PM

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

I feel like we could have gotten away with 3 + enforcement if enforcement came in around the same time level 3 came in in Dublin.

Im personally expecting an r number of around 3 in early January (from Christmas and New Year) whatever rules are in force as families getting together over Christmas and Christmas shopping won't be stopped).

The need to have cases under control before that is probably as big a factor in bringing in level 5 than anything else.

How anyone can make a remotely confident prediction of something like that? :pac:

is_that_so · 25-10-2020 04:51PM

Some thoughts on possible winter COVID outbreaks.

Winter is fast approaching in the Northern Hemisphere, and researchers warn that COVID-19 outbreaks are likely to get worse, especially in regions that don’t have the virus’s spread under control.

“This virus is going to have a heyday,” says David Relman, a microbiologist at Stanford University in California. “We are looking at some pretty sobering and difficult months ahead.”

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02972-4

political analyst · 25-10-2020 04:52PM

DubInMeath wrote: »

You have asked this multiple times and been given answers multiple times.

An example would be my wife's mother. She died unexpectedly of a stroke in the hospital that she worked during her shift.

We knew she died of a stroke as we were told by her colleagues who tried to save her.
But is was over eight weeks before her doctor got the official cause of death and passed this onto us.

I have not asked it "multiple times".

Why couldn't the doctor have certified the cause of death immediately?

Rob A. Bank · 25-10-2020 04:56PM

speckle wrote: »

guys and gals did anyone make the same mistake as me and put their clocks back an hour last night. Covid fog or what!

Spring... forward

Fall... back

(if you can forgive the Americanism)

440Hertz · 25-10-2020 04:59PM

Not sure if this has already been posted further back up the thread, but from the Irish Examiner. Seems to underline the urgent need for airport screening.

"A report into the outbreak states the laboratory-confirmed cases were linked to an international flight into Ireland in summer 2020.

That 7.5 hour-long flight, in which 49 of its 283 seats were filled, is believed to have landed at Dublin Airport in June.

The HSE was unable to contact 11 of the 49 passengers on board, and one of the passengers refused to be tested for Covid-19."

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40070591.html

Antares35 · 25-10-2020 04:59PM

mloc123 wrote: »

Hey, it is my idea of hell... But people do it. Walk around, look in the shops.. food court for lunch and home.

Like those people who go to IKEA at the weekend. Drop the kids into the kid minding area, go and have a look at the pots and candles and kitchen drawer organisers,then have their meatballs and head home. A dead man wouldn't want that life

CIARAN_BOYLE · 25-10-2020 05:00PM

AdamD wrote: »

How anyone can make a remotely confident prediction of something like that? :pac:

Well it's not a confident prediction. My confident prediction is a massive spike in the R number as families gather over the Christmas season.

2.5-3.5 was mentioned by Holohan and Nolan in one of the press conferences a few weeks ago so I'm taking the mid point in their number.

cnocbui · 25-10-2020 05:01PM

AdamD wrote: »

How anyone can make a remotely confident prediction of something like that? :pac:

Many people, probably. It's convincing other people you are not talking out the wrong end of your aiimentary canal that's the hard part.

is_that_so · 25-10-2020 05:01PM

440Hertz wrote: »

Not sure if this has already been posted further back up the thread, but from the Irish Examiner "Flight into Dublin Airport linked to 59 Covid-19 cases

"Passengers on a flight to Dublin led to the spread of 59 Covid-19 cases around the country.

A report into the outbreak states the laboratory-confirmed cases were linked to an international flight into Ireland in summer 2020.

That 7.5 hour-long flight, in which 49 of its 283 seats were filled, is believed to have landed at Dublin Airport in June.

The HSE was unable to contact 11 of the 49 passengers on board, and one of the passengers refused to be tested for Covid-19."

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40070591.html

This outbreak demonstrates the potential for spread of SARS-CoV-2 linked to air travel.

It really shows how people not following public health guidance can spread it. It's like the case in the NW, sure it probably came in on a flight but subsequent behaviours spread it to nearly 60 people.

OscarMIlde · 25-10-2020 05:05PM

owlbethere wrote: »

That is good news. I suspect a lot of people in healthcare especially the front line staff might have been exposed and infected already with the virus. I know someone on the fontline over there and she was a positive. Her symptoms were nil. They are testing frontline staff every week there. I suspect a lot of people already were infected with the virus and I don't know how beneficial a vaccine would be.

Would anything happen if someone contracted the virus but was asymptomatic and didn't display any symptoms and they didn't know they had the virus and received a vaccine on top of it?

There's an antibody study currently underway to test antibody levels in healthcare workers in Ireland, it's called the Precise study. I imagine uptake has been very high, everyone in my lab went to get tested.

circadian · 25-10-2020 05:07PM

mloc123 wrote: »

Not running them, just using them...

https://streamable.com/syj4zh

I don't have any issues with the GAA and any time I've brought these incidents up I get accused of having an axe to grind or similar. I really am getting pissed off with the clubs doing whatever they want.

The GAA has done absolutely nothing as a body to try and reign in this sort of carry on. This morning I saw several local kids teams out training. I understand that no contact training with 15 maximum is what's stated for level 5.

This was more than 15 having practice matches. Parents on top of each other shouting from the sidelines. Not one **** given. The local soccer team had a full crew too but less parents hanging around.

Non solum non ambulabit · 25-10-2020 05:07PM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

Indeed... the measures taken worldwide so far have suppressed the flu viruses to a great extent. (note the figures on the y axis in the graphs below)

Too bad that Covid-19 has been able to sidestep all these measures... Its a very sneaky elusive virus... presymptomatic and asymptomatic spread, superspreaders and airbourne transmission etc. etc.

Flu will have a tiny influence on Hospital capacity this year based on that. I expect empty Hospitals will continue throughout level 5

Goldrickssan · 25-10-2020 05:13PM

circadian wrote: »

I don't have any issues with the GAA and any time I've brought these incidents up I get accused of having an axe to grind or similar. I really am getting pissed off with the clubs doing whatever they want.

The GAA has done absolutely nothing as a body to try and reign in this sort of carry on. This morning I saw several local kids teams out training. I understand that no contact training with 15 maximum is what's stated for level 5.

This was more than 15 having practice matches. Parents on top of each other shouting from the sidelines. Not one **** given. The local soccer team had a full crew too but less parents hanging around.

So call the guards

Sweet.Science · 25-10-2020 05:14PM

circadian wrote: »

I don't have any issues with the GAA and any time I've brought these incidents up I get accused of having an axe to grind or similar. I really am getting pissed off with the clubs doing whatever they want.

The GAA has done absolutely nothing as a body to try and reign in this sort of carry on. This morning I saw several local kids teams out training. I understand that no contact training with 15 maximum is what's stated for level 5.

This was more than 15 having practice matches. Parents on top of each other shouting from the sidelines. Not one **** given. The local soccer team had a full crew too but less parents hanging around.

Why blame an organization and not the players parents mentors etc . Makes no sense

If a rugby team weren't behaving within the guidelines would you blame the IRFU

OscarMIlde · 25-10-2020 05:15PM

circadian wrote: »

I don't have any issues with the GAA and any time I've brought these incidents up I get accused of having an axe to grind or similar. I really am getting pissed off with the clubs doing whatever they want.

The GAA has done absolutely nothing as a body to try and reign in this sort of carry on. This morning I saw several local kids teams out training. I understand that no contact training with 15 maximum is what's stated for level 5.

This was more than 15 having practice matches. Parents on top of each other shouting from the sidelines. Not one **** given. The local soccer team had a full crew too but less parents hanging around.

For me one of the biggest bugbears is that matches were allowed go ahead on the condition that players were being regularly tested, yet it appears now that only occurred if clubs/counties opted into this. Surely every club/team that played without submitting to prior testing should be fined for not abiding by the restrictions. After all, it is actions like these that have contributed towards superspreader events and our level 5 lockdown.

speckle · 25-10-2020 05:15PM

mr zulu wrote: »

What are u on about, the clocks did go back last night

Oh great. I am not bonkers. Just saw a tweet from 4 hours ago from Simon Harris when scrolling down from a previous posters tweet link re Leo.. even Kermit de frog made an appearance.

https://mobile.twitter.com/LeoVaradkar/status/1320379523637104641?s=19

Maybe it takes time to update a tweet time if not on original tweetors page? Just went to the original tweet.. You learn something new everyday.

circadian · 25-10-2020 05:16PM

Sweet.Science wrote: »

Why blame an organization and not the players parents mentors etc . Makes no sense

If a rugby team weren't behaving within the guidelines would you blame the IRFU

Yes. They are the top level of the organisation and anything that happens in their pyramid is ultimately their responsibility. The GAA have paid lip service in saying that games are cancelled but there is absolutely no attempt at enforcing the regulations and that is obvious given the behaviour I've seen this last week in local pitches.

Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

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