Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

igCorcaigh · 24-10-2020 05:39AM

6 wrote: »

Maintain social distance, wear masks and keep hand hygiene up to scratch and lockdowns aren't required. Imo.

We were doing those things during the summer, but then cases increased dramatically. Why?

24-10-2020 06:07AM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

We were doing those things during the summer, but then cases increased dramatically. Why?

Pretty obvious surely
Colleges, schools, pubs reopened, County final celebrations.

By all means stay at level 2 or 3.

The impact (ICU numbers, deaths ) of the increased infections doesn't warrant level 5 lockdowns for the majority of the population.

igCorcaigh · 24-10-2020 06:28AM

6 wrote: »

Pretty obvious surely
Colleges, schools, pubs reopened, County final celebrations.

By all means stay at level 2 or 3.

The impact (ICU numbers, deaths ) of the increased infections doesn't warrant level 5 lockdowns for the majority of the population.

Yes. Data shown on sky news suggested a huge role in universities contributing to spread, although i suspect it may be due to associated socialising.

I think indoor socialising is the big problem. But shutting those venues and banning household visits is akin to a lockdown for many i suspect.

I don't see the logic of closing retail though.

harr · 24-10-2020 06:53AM

Staffing levels in various hospitals and nursing homes is going to be a huge issue in the coming weeks, a patient transferred to Nass hospital from a Dublin hospital has infected a whole ward and a lot of staff because it took 3 days before anyone realised he had COVID. He was placed on an open ward . ( psychiatric unit )

Dempo1 · 24-10-2020 07:08AM

alentejo wrote: »

I think the whole issue of essential retail and clothing is going to become an issue. Yes I know you can click and collect, however at this time of year, I suspect a lot of people of all ages require clothes. Everything from scarves, coats, gloves etc.

Dunnes clothes in Rathmines was open thru Lockdown MK1 and served a purpose to but teeshirts etc when the weather became warmer. Likewise, this time, people will need things to adapt to the changing weather etc.

I think history will judge the non essential retail as one of the most unfair policies ever pursued by any Irish Government!

It clearly has become an issue as reporting on various media platforms yesterday suggest the letter of the law or intended purpose of click and collect being widely abused. Even the representative bodies are up in arms but interesting, Retail Excellence neglecting to mention its own members being quite naughty.

The crux of the issue are twofold.

A. Click & Collect, means just that, not click, drive too, browse, shop and leave.

B. Offering an emergency service only. This features in a sub section of Essential retail. Basically it opens the doors, Literally to certain retailers, such as Carphone warehouse, Network stores etc to proudly advertise that they are fully open when the rules clearly state the opposite (emergency services only), to Vodafone credit (excuse the pun) they do actually state this on their website, listing shop numbers to call and explaining customers can not just arrive a purchase products etc.

Walking around a midland town yesterday, I personally saw not just abuses of the rules, but certainly doors wide open in two such stores and people browsing.

I'm absolutely not advocating lockdown but advocating that Rules are Rules and if blatant flouting of the rules and indeed law continues, its only going to encourage rightly aggrieved retailers actually shut, to re think.

24-10-2020 07:17AM

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-24/dear-ireland-a-second-lockdown-is-hard-melbourne-has-advice/12806058

Interesting article that friends in Melbourne sent me overnight.

igCorcaigh · 24-10-2020 07:37AM

https://twitter.com/spectatorindex/status/1319889516677586944?s=19

obi604 · 24-10-2020 07:38AM

I noted my nearest car wash was closed today. Are these also shut as part of level 5? Or maybe they just on a day off.

PowerToWait · 24-10-2020 08:30AM

Thread has become practically unreadable now, morphing into the ‘relaxation....’ thread. The same posters posting disinformation and whinging about destruction of economies, lives and mental health.

When the arch harridan Ciara Kelly is the hero of the thread you know it’s in the sewer.

manniot2 · 24-10-2020 08:40AM

PowerToWait wrote: »

Thread has become practically unreadable now, morphing into the ‘relaxation....’ thread. The same posters posting disinformation and whinging about destruction of economies, lives and mental health.

When the arch harridan Ciara Kelly is the hero of the thread you know it’s in the sewer.

You’re right. Nothing has changed, it’s March again. Let’s dramatically overreact again and pretend the plague is here.

caveat emptor · 24-10-2020 08:41AM

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Is anyone thinking of using the daily new case numbers for playing the Lotto with? Some weird combinations during the week 1066 (Battle Of Hastings), today we had 777 ( a fine aeroplane).

Yeah odd alright. I think it's a warning for this Christmas.

A paper just came out from our very own public health experts. If the Government don't change their opinion on this now that we have firm evidence there will be a lot of people not happy with the current "strategy". We have to put up with this crap in schools / nursing homes / hospital and when we get it down to a manageable level we are going to leave the stable door open again?

I use the word strategy in the loosest of terms. They don't mention the flight but 7 hours might put it at New York?

A large national outbreak of COVID-19 linked to air travel, Ireland, summer 2020

An outbreak of 59 cases of coronavirus disease (COVID-19) originated with 13 cases linked by a 7 h, 17% occupancy flight into Ireland, summer 2020. The flight-associated attack rate was 9.8–17.8%. Spread to 46 non-flight cases occurred country-wide. Asymptomatic/pre-symptomatic transmission in-flight from a point source is implicated by 99% homology across the virus genome in five cases travelling from three different continents. Restriction of movement on arrival and robust contact tracing can limit propagation post-flight.

Air travel has accelerated the global pandemic, contrib- uting to the spread of coronavirus disease (COVID-19) throughout the world. We describe an outbreak that demonstrates in-flight transmission, providing fur- ther evidence to add to the small number of published studies in this area. This study depicts the nature of transmission on board, despite implementation of non- pharmaceutical interventions. We demonstrate wide- spread in-country transmission as a result of imported infection and give recommendations to reduce the risk of importation, and to curtail onwards spread.

Jim_Hodge · 24-10-2020 08:53AM

manniot2 wrote: »

You’re right. Nothing has changed, it’s March again. Let’s dramatically overreact again and pretend the plague is here.

In fairness, there's just as much "it's only a flu", "only old people die" etc.

Both sides have left the thread impossible to follow.

zerosugarbuzz · 24-10-2020 08:54AM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

We were doing those things during the summer, but then cases increased dramatically. Why?

More testing which results in more positive results, particularly when the drill down so deep to find the most tiny minuscule amount of Covid. Even dead Covid many months old gives a positive result. The mind boggles.

manniot2 · 24-10-2020 08:57AM

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

In fairness, there's just as much "it's only a flu", "only old people die" etc.

Both sides have left the thread impossible to follow.

Proportionality in response to this virus is all I ask for. and I think the lockdown people are further from that then the open up people.

Happydays2020 · 24-10-2020 09:08AM

I am not a fan of the Governance approach we have to this crisis and I do not think the NPHET model is fit for purpose. Plus this crisis has shown that we need Slaintecare ASAP (with resources and accountability for the HSE).

However, we are now in Level 5 and it is up to every single one of us to make sure it works - whether it works or not will come down to personal behaviour. It is a lighter regime than the first lock-down and it is imperative that the concessions given this time stay within parameters. There is also no point getting caught up in the inconsistencies.

I do think we need a tougher approach from the Gardai in respect to the social gatherings. They have powers and these should be used if needed. But the Garda Commissioner is right - if people behave then it is not needed.

Some things I am planning to do-

- Wash hands, socially distance, limit contacts etc.
- avoid RTÉ and negativity.
- think about my own family unit.
- keep in contact with family and friends - zoom is free for 1to1 chats and 40 mins for group chats.
- bake soda breads - sweet and savoury.
- do themed food days - I will be doing these in the next six weeks around the rugby so Italian is the theme today and French next week. (It will be curry for the English game!)
- Make a new recipe every week. Try new foods.
- Rather than buying prepared meals see can i make them instead.
- Buy from some of the interesting online shops including delis and fish mongers
(Kish Fish and eatmorefish.ie)
- take a short walk before and after work of WFH.
- do a big walk on weekends. Challenge is interesting places within 5km with a photographic record.
- have our own thanksgiving - we will pick a Sunday in November, enjoy a big roast meal and binge watch a series.
- do the big pre-Christmas House clean in the next few weeks.
- put up the decorations by 1 December - make it a thing. Combine with mulled wine and Christmas movies.
- use the free trial or reduced periods for different streaming sites. Disney, Apple TV, NOW TV etc.

It will be Level 3 in no time.

manniot2 · 24-10-2020 09:14AM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

I am not a fan of the Governance approach we have to this crisis and I do not think the NPHET model is fit for purpose. Plus this crisis has shown that we need Slaintecare ASAP (with resources and accountability for the HSE).

However, we are now in Level 5 and it is up to every single one of us to make sure it works - whether it works or not will come down to personal behaviour. It is a lighter regime than the first lock-down and it is imperative that the concessions given this time stay within parameters. There is also no point getting caught up in the inconsistencies.

I do think we need a tougher approach from the Gardai in respect to the social gatherings. They have powers and these should be used if needed. But the Garda Commissioner is right - if people behave then it is not needed.

Some things I am planning to do-

- Wash hands, socially distance, limit contacts etc.
- avoid RTÉ and negativity.
- think about my own family unit.
- keep in contact with family and friends - zoom is free for 1to1 chats and 40 mins for group chats.
- bake soda breads - sweet and savoury.
- do themed food days - I will be doing these in the next six weeks around the rugby so Italian is the theme today and French next week. (It will be curry for the English game!)
- Make a new recipe every week. Try new foods.
- Rather than buying prepared meals see can i make them instead.
- Buy from some of the interesting online shops including delis and fish mongers
(Kish Fish and eatmorefiah.ie)
- take a short walk before and after work of WFH.
- do a big walk on weekends. Challenge is interesting places within 5km with a photographic record.
- have our own thanksgiving - we will pick a Sunday in November, enjoy a big roast meal and binge watch a series.
- do the big pre-Christmas House clean in the next few weeks.
- put up the decorations by 1 December - make it a thing. Combine with mulled wine and Christmas movies.
- use the free trial or reduced periods for different streaming sites. Disney, Apple TV, NOW TV etc.

It will be Level 3 in no time.

that all sounds great but boredom or passing the time is the least of many peoples worries with these lockdowns.

Happydays2020 · 24-10-2020 09:17AM

manniot2 wrote: »

that all sounds great but boredom or passing the time is the least of many peoples worries with these lockdowns.

Well I think the underlying theme of this is - focus on what I can do and not on what I can’t do. The last thing I want is to be here again in lockdown but it is what it is and best to make the best out of it. A lot of what I will be doing is intended to manage my physical and mental health through healthier eating and exercise.

And I am fully aware (and you can look at my posts) of the damage this is causing to small businesses, loss of jobs etc.

Eod100 · 24-10-2020 09:29AM

This is awful. Don't know how patients aren't being tested when being transferred to different hospital this weather. https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40070291.html?type=amp&__twitter_impression=true

suicide_circus · 24-10-2020 09:31AM

I think the majority of people on here questioning the rolling lockdown model are still largely complying with the restrictions as it's the only show in town really.

Gruffalux · 24-10-2020 09:33AM

Eod100 wrote: »

This is awful. Don't know how patients aren't being tested when being transferred to different hospital this weather. https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40070291.html?type=amp&__twitter_impression=true

And full testing of all other hospital staff who use communal areas and shared equipment will not take place before Monday. Be grand.

theballz · 24-10-2020 09:36AM

manniot2 wrote: »

that all sounds great but boredom or passing the time is the least of many peoples worries with these lockdowns.

I live alone so I can relate to this. However, maybe try find the meaning of this challenge on front of us.

Live happens for you not to you.

I think by focusing on the meaning by that I mean look at this challenge as a gift of time to learn more, appreciate more and you will be free of the pain.

Us Irish are a strong and resilient bunch. Best of luck to all.

WoollyRedHat · 24-10-2020 09:37AM

I have to say the communications 'buy in' strategy for latest restrictions from the government is ineffective at best and non-existent at worst. Use of interactive multimedia that illustrates how virus spreads, and steps needed for suppression has been minimal.Take the index case that leads to say 40 odd infections, this could be used as a centrepiece for.a visual marketing campaign, as a public health broadcast over web and television to explain how cases quickly lead to clusters and consequences for public health and health system.

Slogans are no longer working, ' Stay Safe' etc. worked back in March but is redundant now. I'm constantly reminded of Coronavirus risk via radio and on public transport but I'd argue this type of repetitive and intrusive communications is counter-prodyctive as pandemic fatigue sets in. We need more innovative and informative communication strategies (that avoid condescension) to get people's attention and ultimately buy-in.

mean gene · 24-10-2020 09:40AM

How are we in level 5 when all the shops are open -woodies, b and q,argos, mobile phone shops, chippers etc also most people are still at work strange one

pjohnson · 24-10-2020 09:42AM

PowerToWait wrote: »

Thread has become practically unreadable now, morphing into the ‘relaxation....’ thread. The same posters posting disinformation and whinging about destruction of economies, lives and mental health.

When the arch harridan Ciara Kelly is the hero of the thread you know it’s in the sewer.

Thread used to be a great resource and all but very little point when facts get screamed down by fantasy.

Twice yesterday posters claimed people aren't responsible for their own actions while not indicating who WAS so yeah, thats this threads new normal level.

prunudo · 24-10-2020 09:46AM

mean gene wrote: »

How are we in level 5 when all the shops are open -woodies, b and q,argos, mobile phone shops, chippers etc also most people are still at work strange one

Exactly, the authorities may think and tell us we're in a strict level 5 lockdown but there's so many exemptions that its hard to convince public that we need to behave like we did in March/April.

Gruffalux · 24-10-2020 09:46AM

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

I have to say the communications 'buy in' strategy for latest restrictions from the government is ineffective at best and non-existent at worst. Use of interactive multimedia that illustrates how virus spreads has been minimal.Take the index case that leads to say 40 odd infections, this could be used as a centrepiece fora visual marketing campaign, broadcast over web and TV as advertisement to explain how cases quickly lead to clusters and consequences for public health and health system.

Slogans are no longer working, ' Stay Safe' etc. worked back in March but is redundant now. I'm constantly reminded of Coronavirus risk via radio and on public transport but I'd argue this type of repetitive and intrusive communications is counter-prodyctive as pandemic fatigue sets in. We need more innovative and informative communication strategies (that avoid condescension) to get people's attention and ultimately buy-in.

Hah yeah reminds me of a county council vehicle I saw during this week, plastered with Covid posters, and the big one showing what 2 metres looks like on the back of the cab panel. Inside the cab were 4 workers squished together on the front seats. I like undoubtedly many others have come to learn of the supernatural power of a bright yellow covid poster in all sorts of tricky situations. That yellow ink will probably be discovered to be the cure for cancer too.

Fr_Dougal · 24-10-2020 09:48AM

Great to see Level 5 restrictions have worked, huge drop in numbers since Thursday.

At this rate we’ll be zero cases by next weekend.

caveat emptor · 24-10-2020 09:49AM

Cases doubling week on week in the 10-14 age group and almost doubling in the 15-19.
Mid term coming at the right time.

24-10-2020 09:51AM

prunudo wrote: »

Exactly, the authorities may think and tell us we're in a strict level 5 lockdown but there's so many exemptions that its hard to convince public that we need to behave like we did in March/April.

It's an unfair comparison tbf.

Peoples behaviour is considerly better now. Masks are worn by almost everyone. Sanitiser is in the every shop. People naturally distant from each other.

24-10-2020 09:52AM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Great to see Level 5 restrictions have worked, huge drop in numbers since Thursday.

At this rate we’ll be zero cases by next weekend.

and there are some commenters on The Journal and Facebook who actually believe this!! "should have gone to Level 5 sooner, its already working"!!

Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

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