Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

Non solum non ambulabit · 23-10-2020 06:14PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

No way would they drop that quick, especially compared to how high Northern Ireland has continued.

2 to 3 weeks before Level 5 takes effect. This is Level 3 impacts.

quartz1 · 23-10-2020 06:14PM

Can the Government do anything right.. they should either open all similiar shops or close them all......very unfair to see like of Penny's forced to close and Dunnes open

alentejo · 23-10-2020 06:14PM

I think the whole issue of essential retail and clothing is going to become an issue. Yes I know you can click and collect, however at this time of year, I suspect a lot of people of all ages require clothes. Everything from scarves, coats, gloves etc.

Dunnes clothes in Rathmines was open thru Lockdown MK1 and served a purpose to but teeshirts etc when the weather became warmer. Likewise, this time, people will need things to adapt to the changing weather etc.

I think history will judge the non essential retail as one of the most unfair policies ever pursued by any Irish Government!

Benimar · 23-10-2020 06:15PM

PopTarts wrote: »

Is there a backlog from any other day or just the 200+ from today

It seems just to be today’s.

stephenjmcd · 23-10-2020 06:15PM

Stheno wrote: »

5 weeks of level three in Dublin coupled with two nationally would be my conclusion tbh

The first threat of level 5 would line up (the rejected one), I'd say a few people copped on a bit more around then.

But yeah a stabilisation lines up with level 3 for the country

RobertKK · 23-10-2020 06:16PM

If there are signs level 3 is working then NPHET should be replaced as their level 5 advice will cost the country billions of Euro and unnecessary suffering for many.
We will only know in the coming days.

RobertKK · 23-10-2020 06:17PM

There is another scenario that the numbers are lower due to the problems with the track and trace system, we just have to wait and see.

MrMusician18 · 23-10-2020 06:18PM

I know we shouldn't rush to judge on one days figures, but cases do seem to be stable to starting to trend down.

This is positive.

stephenjmcd · 23-10-2020 06:18PM

alentejo wrote: »

I think the whole issue of essential retail and clothing is going to become an issue. Yes I know you can click and collect, however at this time of year, I suspect a lot of people of all ages require clothes. Everything from scarves, coats, gloves etc.

Dunnes clothes in Rathmines was open thru Lockdown MK1 and served a purpose to but teeshirts etc when the weather became warmer. Likewise, this time, people will need things to adapt to the changing weather etc.

I think history will judge the non essential retail as one of the most unfair policies ever pursued by any Irish Government!

Likewise Dunnes in Cornelscourt had the full clothes and homeware section open during first lockdown and its still open now. Found myself over there a few times having to get a few things. Will probably do the same this time again when the weather gets colder.

hmmm · 23-10-2020 06:18PM

I'm hopeful that Level 3 is proving to be the level at which we can hold the numbers steady. This would make sense as it closes the places where superspreading events can happen.

It would mean that after Level 5 has brought the numbers down in a few weeks time, we can run the country at Level 3 until we have vaccines and better treatments. Perhaps 6 months of restrictions.

It's obviously not good for the businesses affected and we will have to support them, but better to find a level we can live at and make the best of it instead of a cycle of opening and rushed lockdowns.

froog · 23-10-2020 06:19PM

RobertKK wrote: »

There is another scenario that the numbers are lower due to the problems with the track and trace system, we just have to wait and see.

bingo.

Eod100 · 23-10-2020 06:20PM

15,000 in last 14 days. 55,261 cases in total so far, that's nearly 30% of all cases.

PTH2009 · 23-10-2020 06:20PM

Numbers going down which is a good thing

Goldrickssan · 23-10-2020 06:22PM

Poor George Lee talking about positive news - must be dying inside

jojofizzio · 23-10-2020 06:22PM

A reason to celebrate in itself....George Lee reporting positive news!!

Stheno · 23-10-2020 06:23PM

Goldrickssan wrote: »

Poor George Lee talking about positive news - must be dying inside

Really?

CruelSummer · 23-10-2020 06:23PM

Benimar wrote: »

Just on the news now. Dunnes and the like are not allowed sell clothes and need to stop.

Yes, let's keep closing down businesses and destroy our economy.

The Government's move to Level 5 has been met with a lot of skepticism. People will 'go along' and do whatever they can. The buy in isn't there. Why should it be. I've some questions for NPHET/Government/Cabinet:

1. How could Stephen Donnelly and Michael Martin pretend they 'didn't know' about the contact tracing backlog? Was this not brought up during the major discussions re closing down our economy and society last weekend?? If it wasn't, why on earth should anyone follow Level 5, if the cabinet voting for it doesn't even gather basic information when making huge decisions affecting everyone in the state.

2. Will Dr Tony Holohan be questioned tonight on the Late Late Show as to how a nursing home in Galway has become overrun with Covid? How have these areas not been the focus of NPHET's strategy? Are staff there tested routinely? If not, why not?

3. Why are they imposing a 5km limit on people for exercise in the Winter when some people might want to drive to the sea/remote walk in the fresh air? Why would anyone think it's sensible to close tennis/golf/athletics for adults, etc.? Where is the evidence that outbreaks were caused in these settings justifying this?

4. A Mater Consultant last week stated on Virgin media that their ICU was nearing capacity...did he inform the public only 2 of these patients were Covid patients at that moment in time, or did he imply this was as a result of Covid? Why would he seek to mislead if so?

5. Why are Prof Nolan's 'models' upon which all of the Level 5 rationale is based, not available for the public to view? Is it correct that they are basing these models on the assumption that only 1% of Irish people contracted Covid based on a low summer sample relying solely on antibodies?

6. Why is Prof Thomas Ryan continually given airtime on Prime Time - he's not an immunologist or epidemiologist.

We the public deserve the facts and the answers.

Jeff2 · 23-10-2020 06:24PM

GooglePlus wrote: »

A 25% drop in cases overnight, we've cracked the code.

NPHET up up down down left right left right

B A....

That seems worth a try at this stage.

Goldrickssan · 23-10-2020 06:24PM

Stheno wrote: »

Really?

Nobody can deny that the last few days is looking alot better than a week ago as far as growth trends go.

Not even George

froog · 23-10-2020 06:26PM

track and trace has completely collapsed. that easily accounts for the sudden 300-400 drop.

sorry all, but it's clear as day what's happened.

ACitizenErased · 23-10-2020 06:26PM

froog wrote: »

track and trace has completely collapsed. that easily accounts for the sudden 300-400 drop.

sorry all, but it's clear as day what's happened.

What does the track and trace (HSE) have to do with reported cases (HPSC)? There's zero correlation.

spookwoman · 23-10-2020 06:27PM

Balmed Out · 23-10-2020 06:29PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

What does the track and trace (HSE) have to do with reported cases (HPSC)? There's zero correlation.

Presumably they test close contacts so if they are testing more likely positives they will find more.

froog · 23-10-2020 06:29PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

What does the track and trace (HSE) have to do with reported cases (HPSC)? There's zero correlation.

are you serious?

ACitizenErased · 23-10-2020 06:30PM

froog wrote: »

are you serious?

You know how cases work yes? The NVRL/Labs report 1000 swabs to the HPSC - the HPSC then reports the cases. The tracing system is not involved before that.

Hellrazer · 23-10-2020 06:31PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Level 3 did nothing, virtually no measures introduced that would make the numbers drop this quick.

The results of level 3 would have been seen after 14 days.

Guess what ?
We`re 16 days since level 3 was introduced and even yesterday was slightly down (day 15). They should have just let it run without jumping to level 5 because what we are seeing today is the result of level 3 working.

Now they`ll pat them selves on the back 2 days in to level 5 and say its working. When in reality the effects of level 5 wont be seen for another 14 days or so.

I say it again--they haven't a ****ing clue.

JP Liz V1 · 23-10-2020 06:31PM

Benimar wrote: »

Just on the news now. Dunnes and the like are not allowed sell clothes and need to stop.

Are clothes non essential anymore, nude all around so

Sardonicat · 23-10-2020 06:32PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

What does the track and trace (HSE) have to do with reported cases (HPSC)? There's zero correlation.

Several hundred people unaware they are close contacts and not presenting for testing?

froog · 23-10-2020 06:32PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

You know how cases work yes? The NVRL/Labs report 1000 swabs to the HPSC - the HPSC then reports the cases. The tracing system is not involved before that.

contact tracing collapses = less people who might be infected get tested = less positive cases.

ACitizenErased · 23-10-2020 06:33PM

Sardonicat wrote: »

Several hundred people unaware they are close contacts and not presenting for testing?

What does that have to do with the HPSC underreporting swabs for today? There was 1000+ positive swabs today. With a decreasing positivity rate.

Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

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