Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

Kickstart1.3 · 23-10-2020 11:06PM

odyssey06 wrote: »

This seems to be the lockdown phase with the capacity to be most damaging to the economy for least reduction in cases. It's not sustainable.

A shorter real lockdown or a proper run of Level 3 with actual enforcement this time would seem to be more tolerable \ sustainable.

Its all BS.
Just step back and look at the carry on.

People walking about with face shields. - not worth a dam
Perspex Screens at shop tills. : - a joke
Closing small shops, pubs, cafes etc yet the likes of Tesco and lidl have shopping aisles jammed less than 2m apart filled with Alcohol, Electrical items etc : A farce and a slap in the face to small Business
HSE staff such as senior Dentists asked to do Covid testing. Ok this is within reason but what's not within reason is to continue paying them surgeons wages while doing the work of a lab tech. Yet its ok to tell Joe bloggs he can't work and must live off 350 per week and less in cases.
Garda blocking traffic to abuse peoples freedom of movement. As if anyone who is not going to work etc is going to own up to them assh0l3s
None stop coverage by RTE : - there's no way in hell I'm paying my TV licence again.

growleaves · 23-10-2020 11:06PM

Bismarck was once asked what he would do if the British Army invaded Prussia.

He said he would send the local police force to arrest them.

Wolf359f · 23-10-2020 11:06PM

miece16 wrote: »

777. Massive decrease

Bananaleaf wrote: »

Massive decrease because they basically haven't contact traced since Saturday.

Wait till you see the numbers as a result of that!

It's a massive decrease of reported cases in a day, we all know there's still hundreds of cases to be still reported over the coming days.

They haven't contact traced in a week, so are you expecting numbers to go up over the course of the next week or so?

speckle · 23-10-2020 11:07PM

Maybe I missed this on here, but what changes did the HSE bring in on Oct 8th to the pcr test/system...it is being referred to elsewhere online.. some announcement/notice? Thanks

NewRed2 · 23-10-2020 11:09PM

niallo27 wrote: »

You mean the spirt of trying to make a living.

Yeah maybe they are kind of concerned with minor things like how they'll keep a business afloat and how they'll support their children after the latest lockdown and paying a mortgage and stuff.
I mean we're all in this together aren't we?
It's extraordinary how the small business self employed are expected to just give up their only source of income permanently as businesses close and still feel as motivated as the ones temporarily laid off who will have a job to return to.
And even then you'll find big businesses will be looking at this and thinking whatever they can do to become less reliable on human staff the better.

Away With The Fairies · 23-10-2020 11:09PM

brookers wrote: »

I know of a pound shop that is open, they sell crisps, washing up liquid and tea bags and long life buns in a packet....

Pound shops were open the last time. Dealz, Mr.Price, Eurogiant, they were all open. Got simple shopping fixes through these the last time.

growleaves · 23-10-2020 11:12PM

Could we develop a shrink ray and then send a tiny contingent of guards to arrest the microbes?

Of course they'd probably get away with a suspended sentence but it's worth a try.

Signore Fancy Pants · 23-10-2020 11:12PM

What is likely to happen if we have zero restrictions, no lockdown, no sanitiser, no social distancing and no face masks?

Bananaleaf · 23-10-2020 11:12PM

Wolf359f wrote: »

It's a massive decrease of reported cases in a day, we all know there's still hundreds of cases to be still reported over the coming days.

They haven't contact traced in a week, so are you expecting numbers to go up over the course of the next week or so?

Yes I would be expecting cases to go up over the course of next week or so.

To be honest, I never realised exactly the scale of their backlog and how much they have lost control of the traciking and tracing until last weekend when I witnessed it for myself. It's deplorable and daily case numbers mean Sweet FA at this stage

Maybe I chose the wrong post to quote - but I find it just at pointless saying 'oh brilliant, we're going in the right direction' as those on here who feel the need to call out the 'doom merchants' for expressing concern over the same set of (pointless) figures

Away With The Fairies · 23-10-2020 11:14PM

Bananaleaf wrote: »

Yes I would be expecting cases to go up over the course of next week or so.

To be honest, I never realised exactly the scale of their backlog and how much they have lost control of the traciking and tracing until last weekend when I witnessed it for myself. It's deplorable and daily case numbers mean Sweet FA at this stage

Maybe I chose the wrong post to quote - but I find it just at pointless saying 'oh brilliant, we're going in the right direction' as those on here who feel the need to call out the 'doom merchants' for expressing concern over the same set of (pointless) figures

What happened to you last weekend if you don't mind me asking?

NewRed2 · 23-10-2020 11:16PM

kippy wrote: »

I'd say look at it over the course of the next 2 weeks as opposed to a one day number.

I'd say look at it over the course of the past 2 weeks.

You can easily see a dip last few days. So lets be clear that has nothing to do with these level-5 restrictions.
The curve is already fairly quickly going in a good direction.
Obviously has nothing to do with level-5, it's too fast for that.

Wolf359f · 23-10-2020 11:16PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Pound shops were open the last time. Dealz, Mr.Price, Eurogiant, they were all open. Got simple shopping fixes through these the last time.

Yup a lot of them sell milk, cheese, packets of meat, ready made sandwiches etc... I'd class them as essential.

Now if they install disco and strobe lights and call themselves DJ. Dealz....
Or install weights, threadmills and rowing machines and call themselves Mr. 6-Pack Price, then that may be against the spirit of the advice.

speckle · 23-10-2020 11:18PM

growleaves wrote: »

Could we develop a shrink ray and then send a tiny contingent of guards to arrest the microbes?

Of course they'd probably get away with a suspended sentence but it's worth a try.

I wad thinking some boffins could come up with something like superglue to stick together the ends of rna strips to make them inert and we could all live together the virus and other species like humans, cats, dogs, ferrets, pangolins, tigers and dolphins etc. happily ever after.

Wolf359f · 23-10-2020 11:18PM

Bananaleaf wrote: »

Yes I would be expecting cases to go up over the course of next week or so.

To be honest, I never realised exactly the scale of their backlog and how much they have lost control of the traciking and tracing until last weekend when I witnessed it for myself. It's deplorable and daily case numbers mean Sweet FA at this stage

Maybe I chose the wrong post to quote - but I find it just at pointless saying 'oh brilliant, we're going in the right direction' as those on here who feel the need to call out the 'doom merchants' for expressing concern over the same set of (pointless) figures

So we should not focus on case numbers as they mean sweet FA, but the posititivity rate would be a much more accurate indicator though on the assumption the case definition hasn't changed.

speckle · 23-10-2020 11:20PM

Bananaleaf wrote: »

Yes I would be expecting cases to go up over the course of next week or so.

To be honest, I never realised exactly the scale of their backlog and how much they have lost control of the traciking and tracing until last weekend when I witnessed it for myself. It's deplorable and daily case numbers mean Sweet FA at this stage

Maybe I chose the wrong post to quote - but I find it just at pointless saying 'oh brilliant, we're going in the right direction' as those on here who feel the need to call out the 'doom merchants' for expressing concern over the same set of (pointless) figures

And I would be concerned as one of our pcr testing services NVRL might be out of action the next two weekends.

kippy · 23-10-2020 11:22PM

NewRed2 wrote: »

I'd say look at it over the course of the past 2 weeks.

You can easily see a dip last few days. So lets be clear that has nothing to do with these level-5 restrictions.
The curve is already fairly quickly going in a good direction.
Obviously has nothing to do with level-5, it's too fast for that.

As mentioned it probably has a lot to do with the breakdown in contact tracing.
Look at the figures over the next few weeks and associated hospitalisation and ICU figures.

Funsterdelux · 23-10-2020 11:25PM

growleaves wrote: »

Could we develop a shrink ray and then send a tiny contingent of guards to arrest the microbes?

Of course they'd probably get away with a suspended sentence but it's worth a try.

You mean Denis Quaid?

Wolf359f · 23-10-2020 11:26PM

speckle wrote: »

And I would be concerned as one of our pcr testing services NVRL might be out of action the next two weekends.

Don't just read the headlines, read the article:
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/one-of-country-s-main-labs-unable-to-process-covid-19-tests-over-weekend-due-to-staff-shortages-1.4389343
NVRL processes 1200-1400 tests per weekend and the other 40 labs in the country will take up the shortfall.

speckle · 23-10-2020 11:26PM

Wolf359f wrote: »

Yup a lot of them sell milk, cheese, packets of meat, ready made sandwiches etc... I'd class them as essential.

Now if they install disco and strobe lights and call themselves DJ. Dealz....
Or install weights, threadmills and rowing machines and call themselves Mr. 6-Pack Price, then that may be against the spirit of the advice.

They also do hardware stuff, maybe not best quality but handy if stuck and pet stuff.

speckle · 23-10-2020 11:27PM

Wolf359f wrote: »

Don't just read the headlines, read the article:
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/one-of-country-s-main-labs-unable-to-process-covid-19-tests-over-weekend-due-to-staff-shortages-1.4389343
NVRL processes 1200-1400 tests per weekend and the other 40 labs in the country will take up the shortfall.

Thanks I saw it on their twitter, didnt see that article. thankyou

Wolf359f · 23-10-2020 11:28PM

speckle wrote: »

They also do hardware stuff, maybe not best quality but handy if stuck and pet stuff.

I forgot about that. I certainly would consider them in the essential category.

23-10-2020 11:28PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

Let them go on the dole, be grand.

We thousands of posts on this site claiming that the dole is the easy life and most on it don't want off it. Now suddenly a lot of the same posters making these claims are worried about people having to go on the dole.
Lets not kid ourselves that this sudden concern is because they are actually worried about the effects this would have on those unlucky enough to be out of work due to covod or any other reason, but all about the potential effects on their personal finances.

Same thing with the usual shills on here trying to make political hay out of covid on the back of people getting it and those that died.

Before you ask, yes I'm working. Might not be next week or the week after, or I could be fine given the industry that I work in. Just depends on the whims of a few shareholders, same as before covid and as will be in the future.

Martina1991 · 23-10-2020 11:30PM

Kickstart1.3 wrote: »

Its all BS.
Just step back and look at the carry on.

[*]HSE staff such as senior Dentists asked to do Covid testing. Ok this is within reason but what's not within reason is to continue paying them surgeons wages while doing the work of a lab tech. Yet its ok to tell Joe bloggs he can't work and must live off 350 per week and less in cases.

What are you on about

Wolf359f · 23-10-2020 11:32PM

speckle wrote: »

Thanks I saw it on their twitter, didnt see that article. thankyou

No worries, I assumed they done the bulk of the testing capacity (they did initially) but a lot more labs have come online since.
I think it's just the media picking the headline and running with it and then you can the twats on twitter saying there will be no testing this weekend etc...
I'm sure when it gets to WhatsApp the NVRL staff are on a sunny vacation paid for by the tax payers etc...

Danno · 23-10-2020 11:35PM

DubInMeath wrote: »

We thousands of posts on this site claiming that the dole is the easy life and most on it don't want off it. Now suddenly a lot of the same posters making these claims are worried about people having to go on the dole.

In a lockdown €350 is bliss for the majority of minimum wage workers when there is nowhere to spend it. That's not hard to compute, is it?

Martina1991 · 23-10-2020 11:36PM

speckle wrote: »

And I would be concerned as one of our pcr testing services NVRL might be out of action the next two weekends.

It's a non story: https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1023/1173503-national-virus-reference-laboratory-testing/

"His comments comes as the head of the National Virus Reference Laboratory has said the staff shortages at the NVRL this weekend and next will "have no impact" on the capacity for testing.

Speaking on RTÉ's News at One, Dr Cillian De Gascun explained that one of the two teams of testers is self-isolating after one of its members tested positive for Covid-19 earlier this week, and the second team has been in place for the remainder of the week.

He explained that it was agreed with the HSE that the team would be "allowed time to recover" this weekend and next, as there are less demands on testing during this time.

Dr De Gascun said he was surprised that this issue has "captured so much attention."

He said: "It will have no impact on the testing capacity over the course of the relevant timeframe. There is plenty of spare capacity at the weekend to pick up the slack"

Dr De Gascun said: "It is not ideal but the HSE has put in a lot of work to ensure that there is sufficient on-island capacity to perform the testing."

MelbourneMan · 23-10-2020 11:36PM

Blondini wrote: »

Look man, I'm all for positivity, but the hospital numbers are definitely heading in the wrong direction which are far more important than the daily case numbers. I don't mean to pisss in your coco pops or anything.

Hello. Both figures are both equally important, and in a sense, two sides of the same coin. One lagging the other in time admittedly. Hospital admissions will continue to 'head in the wrong direction' for a period after case numbers decrease. I think this dynamic is widely understood now, and decreasing case numbers precede a decrease in hospital admissions to come. Decreasing case numbers are the most advanced indicator, and as such, are indeed a cause for a positive read. The daily admission numbers are predestined from the case numbers of the preceding weeks.

speckle · 23-10-2020 11:39PM

Martina1991 wrote: »

It's a non story: https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1023/1173503-national-virus-reference-laboratory-testing/

"His comments comes as the head of the National Virus Reference Laboratory has said the staff shortages at the NVRL this weekend and next will "have no impact" on the capacity for testing.

Speaking on RTÉ's News at One, Dr Cillian De Gascun explained that one of the two teams of testers is self-isolating after one of its members tested positive for Covid-19 earlier this week, and the second team has been in place for the remainder of the week.

He explained that it was agreed with the HSE that the team would be "allowed time to recover" this weekend and next, as there are less demands on testing during this time.

Dr De Gascun said he was surprised that this issue has "captured so much attention."

He said: "It will have no impact on the testing capacity over the course of the relevant timeframe. There is plenty of spare capacity at the weekend to pick up the slack"

Dr De Gascun said: "It is not ideal but the HSE has put in a lot of work to ensure that there is sufficient on-island capacity to perform the testing."

Hope they get better soon and the rest negative.

Wolf359f · 23-10-2020 11:39PM

HSE daily report updated
302 in Hospital (+1 on yesterday)
38 in ICU of which 24 Ventilated (+1 in ICU and +3 Ventilated)

Wolf359f · 23-10-2020 11:40PM

speckle wrote: »

Hope they get better soon and the rest negative.

I'm sure they will welcome the rest!
Then again, they would probably be eager to get back into the lab

Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

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