Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

Wolf359f · 23-10-2020 10:40PM

verizon wrote: »

Because it's obvious what we are doing is correct and level 5 is the saviour a lot in here wanted.

You can look at many examples around the world and only those fortunate to close borders completely have succeeded. Look around Europe, and everything fails for one reason or another. We have chosen to risk peoples livelihood, mental health and their families.

Christ not this crazy thinking again.

spookwoman · 23-10-2020 10:41PM

CruelSummer wrote: »

And what about the people that do follow the restrictions, and see a bigger picture that they don’t agree with?

No one is stopping people from living or existing.

verizon · 23-10-2020 10:42PM

Wolf359f wrote: »

Christ not this crazy thinking again.

You need a lesson in interpretation. It's a current fact, but I never advocated nor will advocate for it.

Wolf359f · 23-10-2020 10:42PM

Thierry12 wrote: »

Why should she give an alternative?

If you oppose something you have to give an alternative now?

If you're saying someone is wrong or doing something wrong, at least be able to point out the correct thing to do.

Thierry12 · 23-10-2020 10:44PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

So shops can open if they do click and collect? How does click and collect work? Shop online, pay online and go to shop to collect your order?

Masks have been mandated in shops since July, so why close the smaller shops that doesn't offer click and collect like this?

Power is in numbers and they have no numbers

They wouldn't dare cross Musgraves and close Centras

Corrupt as ****

nacho libre · 23-10-2020 10:44PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Its mostly complete idiots who have been behind the recent increase in numbers. Clowns celebrating junior b/intermediate/senior club titles. Clowns turning up in meat factories with symptoms and bosses refusing sick leave. And people returning from abroad and not bothering to isolate or going to parties despite feeling unwell.

Its very difficult to prevent these kinds of idiots doing whatever they please.

I'd make a distinction between GAA lads celebrating titles, and an immigrant turning up to a meat factory because he is afraid of losing his job if he does not.
Micheal seemed very concerned about practices in Meat Factories when he was in opposition, he seems to be less so now. Maybe he is afraid of upsetting LG.

Funsterdelux · 23-10-2020 10:44PM

Thierry12 wrote: »

They are all well paid

Thats the point

Ah right authoritarian, more than communism so

NewRed2 · 23-10-2020 10:45PM

Blondini wrote: »

Look man, I'm all for positivity, but the hospital numbers are definitely heading in the wrong direction which are far more important than the daily case numbers. I don't mean to pisss in your coco pops or anything.

No yer grand, that's sound. Let's use a very basic principle that as case numbers come down the hospital numbers will follow.
I mean that's a fair assumption isn't it?
There's a delay... You don't get infection numbers mirrored by hospital numbers on the same day.

Steve F · 23-10-2020 10:45PM

Does anyone here get the impression that some shops are claiming themselves to be supplying "essential services"?

wirelessdude01 · 23-10-2020 10:45PM

Thierry12 wrote: »

Why should she give an alternative?

If you oppose something you have to give an alternative now?

In her position yes. Surely if you think so etching is so fundamentally wrong then you have to have the genesis of a counter idea.

If you are a selector on a team and you disagree with an idea from a fellow selector you can't just disagree for the sake of it without a different idea.

Thierry12 · 23-10-2020 10:46PM

Wolf359f wrote: »

If you're saying someone is wrong or doing something wrong, at least be able to point out the correct thing to do.

You cant do that if nothing is correct

NewRed2 · 23-10-2020 10:47PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

You cannot take one day as a trend, especially a very dramatic and susicious looking drop. You have to give it a week at least to see a trend.

Yes that's fair. So can you post numbers over the past week?

If you do, you'll spot the trend.

wirelessdude01 · 23-10-2020 10:47PM

Steve F wrote: »

Does anyone here get the impression that some shops are claiming themselves to be supplying "essential services"?

Yes. I know of a clothes shop that got one snickers workweek shirt in so that they can claim to supply workweek and thus can remain open. Totally against the spirit of what we are being asked to do.

Wolf359f · 23-10-2020 10:48PM

Steve F wrote: »

Does anyone here get the impression that some shops are claiming themselves to be supplying "essential services"?

My understanding is they can open to sell essential items/services and only those essential items and services.
Like Homestore and More reopening after the initial lockdown, they had all but the kitchen area open.

hmmm · 23-10-2020 10:48PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

In her position yes. Surely if you think so etching is so fundamentally wrong then you have to have the genesis of a counter idea.

If you are a selector on a team and you disagree with an idea from a fellow selector you can't just disagree for the sake of it without a different idea.

The only alternative I can think of is mass death as our hospitals and ICUs are over-run.

I wish those who think we should not be doing what we are doing would be challenged more robustly.

niallo27 · 23-10-2020 10:49PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Yes. I know of a clothes shop that got one snickers workweek shirt in so that they can claim to supply workweek and thus can remain open. Totally against the spirit of what we are being asked to do.

You mean the spirt of trying to make a living.

Wolf359f · 23-10-2020 10:50PM

Thierry12 wrote: »

You cant do that if nothing is correct

If nothing is correct, then everything is wrong?
Why is she advocating level 5 is wrong, when in your logic, not going to level 5 would be wrong also?

Blondini · 23-10-2020 10:51PM

niallo27 wrote: »

You mean the spirt of trying to make a living.

I think he means the spirit of keeping people living.

ednwireland · 23-10-2020 10:53PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Yes. I know of a clothes shop that got one snickers workweek shirt in so that they can claim to supply workweek and thus can remain open. Totally against the spirit of what we are being asked to do.

who cares, hope they make it through

kippy · 23-10-2020 10:54PM

NewRed2 wrote: »

Numbers have fallen day on day recently. Today's are a very significant fall.

So let's rule out level-5 restrictions as having anything to thank for this, as we're constantly told it takes 2 weeks to see numbers mirror restrictions.

Therefore, level-3 was possibly working, but the reaction in numbers takes longer to register than we were led to believe?

Is that a fair question to ask?

Not much comfort for all the businesses who have been shut down but it's a fair question yes?

And if so, and lets say numbers continue to fall, will we even know if it was going that way anyway under level-3 and if level-5 was necessary at all?

I mean we're obviously seeing numbers going downward anyway so if Tony Holohan is justified with his level-5 then you need to factor in the current downward trend before his level-5 stuff don't you?

So with the trend going down and positive signs and all from level-3, I'd hope Holohans total lockdown will accelerate this reduction fairly rapidly to justify ruining our economy when its now becoming apparent that numbers were already dropping from level-3, albeit belatedly.
Bottom line, If Tony doesn't come back and press all sorts of panic buttons, our numbers would still be reducing day on day and we wouldn't be locking down the nation.
Because NPHET were happy enough with the level-3 situation til he returned. I'd have MASSIVE doubts about that fella personally.
Let alone his previous..... He's lucky to be in a job at all after the fiasco he oversaw. Now he's at it again.

I'd say look at it over the course of the next 2 weeks as opposed to a one day number.

Strumms · 23-10-2020 10:56PM

niallo27 wrote: »

You mean the spirt of trying to make a living.

I’m more concerned with people and businesses who behave in the spirit of adherence to restrictions and not facilitating people getting sick.

suicide_circus · 23-10-2020 10:56PM

niallo27 wrote: »

You mean the spirt of trying to make a living.

Let them go on the dole, be grand.

Wolf359f · 23-10-2020 10:57PM

ednwireland wrote: »

who cares, hope they make it through

The issue may arise when other shops that closed see others still open and they too decide to reopen and so on and so forth.

Always reminds me being stuck in traffic for ages and suddenly one car drives into the bus lane and off they go, quickly you see cars who have been stuck with you all drive up the bus lane etc...
It's even more sweet when you finally get further along and there all stopped in the bus lane by a guard.

speckle · 23-10-2020 10:57PM

I listened to the soundbyte. She said we failed to use the lockdown, as WHO state (should not be used as a primary tool in a pandemic as the side effects are worse if you continual use it) as a time to put our house/medical systems in order... we see that with the lack of ICU beds and staff and the contact tracing issue.

So I would presume part of the solution she is impling is what we should have done that over the summer and that better late than never and thats what we should be doing right now.

The question is what right now, are the HSE/nephet/government doing?
What is working what is not working and what are the solutions and are they being acted on right now? So we dont repeat ourselves in a loop.

Funsterdelux · 23-10-2020 10:59PM

Wolf359f wrote: »

The issue may arise when other shops that closed see others still open and they too decide to reopen and so on and so forth.

Always reminds me being stuck in traffic for ages and suddenly one car drives into the bus lane and off they go, quickly you see cars who have been stuck with you all drive up the bus lane etc...
It's even more sweet when you finally get further along and there all stopped in the bus lane by a guard.

Even worse if they knock down a cyclist

ednwireland · 23-10-2020 11:00PM

Wolf359f wrote: »

The issue may arise when other shops that closed see others still open and they too decide to reopen and so on and so forth.

Always reminds me being stuck in traffic for ages and suddenly one car drives into the bus lane and off they go, quickly you see cars who have been stuck with you all drive up the bus lane etc...
It's even more sweet when you finally get further along and there all stopped in the bus lane by a guard.

nphet and the government seem hell bent on destroying any potential left for small businesses in this country. if they can make enough to survive the next six weeks all power to them.

Jinglejangle69 · 23-10-2020 11:01PM

Blondini wrote: »

I think he means the spirit of keeping people living.

Shut down society going forward so to keep people living.

People don't just die of Covid.

Shutting down society indefinitely will save lives.

Sorted.

Bananaleaf · 23-10-2020 11:02PM

miece16 wrote: »

777. Massive decrease

Massive decrease because they basically haven't contact traced since Saturday.

Wait till you see the numbers as a result of that!

Wolf359f · 23-10-2020 11:04PM

ednwireland wrote: »

nphet and the government seem hell bent on destroying any potential left for small businesses in this country. if they can make enough to survive the next six weeks all power to them.

I'm sure you would also side with pubs and nightclubs if some decided to reopen also? I mean, more power to them....
It's not just the fact the shop is opened, it's the fact they will also have customers and customers means people travelling and moving about, which is the reason to close non essential retail.... to reduce non essential movement of people.

brookers · 23-10-2020 11:05PM

Steve F wrote: »

Does anyone here get the impression that some shops are claiming themselves to be supplying "essential services"?

I know of a pound shop that is open, they sell crisps, washing up liquid and tea bags and long life buns in a packet....

Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

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