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Base price · 22-10-2020 11:49PM

alps wrote: »

How are the organisers of the riding lessons treating the 5km limit?

wrangler wrote: »

Good question, I'd say most are ignoring it

Equestrian centers/riding schools are allowed to operate and provide lessons/training to school going children. Adult training/classes are not permitted.

whelan2 · 23-10-2020 06:09AM

I dont understand how the kids soccer or gaa training can go ahead but outdoor tennis lessons can't? Daughter plays on the senior soccer team and they cant train. 75% of the team are still in school

_Brian · 23-10-2020 07:03AM

alps wrote: »

How are the organisers of the riding lessons treating the 5km limit?

The communication from AIRE the overall representation body say the 5km limit is exempt for kids attending lessons.

_Brian · 23-10-2020 07:05AM

whelan2 wrote: »

I dont understand how the kids soccer or gaa training can go ahead but outdoor tennis lessons can't? Daughter plays on the senior soccer team and they cant train. 75% of the team are still in school

Message from riding school is the same. Only kids are to attend during the L5, all adult lessons and places on Hack are cancelled.

wrangler · 23-10-2020 08:15AM

whelan2 wrote: »

I don,t understand how the kids soccer or gaa training can go ahead but outdoor tennis lessons can't? Daughter plays on the senior soccer team and they cant train. 75% of the team are still in school

They have to draw the line somewhere, there really is very little restriction, there's even too much unnecessary movement allowed as it is, as you say is it a lockdown or is it not . Motorway and minor road here beside me is seeing thee same amount of traffic
I can't see much improvement happening before Christmas with all that is allowed, not that the loss of Christmas is serious in the whole scheme of things

_Brian · 23-10-2020 08:25AM

Clusters of covid being driven by adult behaviour not kids.

Here in Cavan it will level out well now that GAA has spun itself out.

I’m glad the kids aren’t as impacted as the last time. Pity this time the lake is too cold to swim in, eldest only swims and is missing it desperately. She had been given elite athlete dispensation from swim ireland to attend Ulster training sessions but pools are closed again, we only got to one session.

She’s in her leaving cert year so keeping up activity is important.

wrangler · 23-10-2020 08:30AM

_Brian wrote: »

Clusters of covid being driven by adult behaviour not kids.

Here in Cavan it will level out well now that GAA has spun itself out.

I’m glad the kids aren’t as impacted as the last time. Pity this time the lake is too cold to swim in, eldest only swims and is missing it desperately. She had been given elite athlete dispensation from swim ireland to attend Ulster training sessions but pools are closed again, we only got to one session.

She’s in her leaving cert year so keeping up activity is important.

A couple years restrictions now is a small price in the whole scheme of things,

odyssey06 · 23-10-2020 08:43AM

wrangler wrote: »

They have to draw the line somewhere, there really is very little restriction, there's even too much unnecessary movement allowed as it is, as you say is it a lockdown or is it not . Motorway and minor road here beside me is seeing thee same amount of traffic
I can't see much improvement happening before Christmas with all that is allowed, not that the loss of Christmas is serious in the whole scheme of things

This seems to be the lockdown phase with the capacity to be most damaging to the economy for least reduction in cases. It's not sustainable.

A shorter real lockdown or a proper run of Level 3 with actual enforcement this time would seem to be more tolerable \ sustainable.

greysides · 23-10-2020 12:38PM

New attachment method found which could explain why SARS-CoV 2 is more infectious than its predecessor.

https://www.sciencealert.com/a-second-key-used-by-sars-cov-2-to-enter-cells-could-explain-why-it-s-so-infectious

23-10-2020 08:43PM

And the 11th commandment read "There shall be NO school transmission, by hook or by crook"

https://www.thesun.ie/news/6059216/coronavirus-in-ireland-teachers-schools-contact-tracing-app-hse/?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1603457109

Kickstart1.3 · 23-10-2020 11:03PM

odyssey06 wrote: »

This seems to be the lockdown phase with the capacity to be most damaging to the economy for least reduction in cases. It's not sustainable.

A shorter real lockdown or a proper run of Level 3 with actual enforcement this time would seem to be more tolerable \ sustainable.

Its all BS.
Just step back and look at the carry on.

People walking about with face shields. - not worth a dam
Perspex Screens at shop tills. : - a joke
Closing small shops, pubs, cafes etc yet the likes of Tesco and lidl have shopping aisles jammed less than 2m apart filled with Alcohol, Electrical items etc : A farce and a slap in the face to small Business
HSE staff such as senior Dentists asked to do Covid testing. Ok this is within reason but what's not within reason is to continue paying them surgeons wages while doing the work of a lab tech. Yet its ok to tell Joe bloggs he can't work and must live off 350 per week and less in cases.
Garda blocking traffic to abuse peoples freedom of movement. As if anyone who is not going to work etc is going to own up to them assh0l3s
None stop coverage by RTE : - there's no way in hell I'm paying my TV licence again.

_Brian · 23-10-2020 11:17PM

Kickstart1.3 wrote: »

Its all BS.
Just step back and look at the carry on.
People walking about with face shields. - not worth a dam

Perspex Screens at shop tills. : - a joke

Closing small shops, pubs, cafes etc yet the likes of Tesco and lidl have shopping aisles jammed less than 2m apart filled with Alcohol, Electrical items etc : A farce and a slap in the face to small Business

HSE staff such as senior Dentists asked to do Covid testing. Ok this is within reason but what's not within reason is to continue paying them surgeons wages while doing the work of a lab tech. Yet its ok to tell Joe bloggs he can't work and must live off 350 per week and less in cases.

Garda blocking traffic to abuse peoples freedom of movement. As if anyone who is not going to work etc is going to own up to them assh0l3s

None stop coverage by RTE : - there's no way in hell I'm paying my TV licence again.

It’s your post that’s full of BS

Why don’t you go off and light another candle in fromt of that photo of gemma you have on the alter.

blue5000 · 24-10-2020 12:05AM

Mod note Let's try be civil everyone, keep it on topic please.

paddysdream · 24-10-2020 12:39AM

_Brian wrote: »

It’s your post that’s full of BS

Why don’t you go off and light another candle in fromt of that photo of gemma you have on the alter.

In fairness the points he posted I would agree with if not perhaps the tone but if the best argument against is to infer someone is some sort of a follower of a clearly less than balanced individual well?

The "restrictions" are ill thought out and seem to be the only answer in Irelands case. Is that the best response all the experts could come up with since March ?
Its a no lose for MM and nphet as if numbers fall then they were right to take that action and if not then its the general populations fault.

The buy in from both the public and business doesn't seem to be there this time I think.
Then again most of it passed me by in the Spring and most likely it will do so again.

yosemitesam1 · 24-10-2020 08:19AM

_Brian wrote: »

It’s your post that’s full of BS

Why don’t you go off and light another candle in fromt of that photo of gemma you have on the alter.

When you start separating yourself and others into being aligned with groups, your capacity to come to a full understanding of the subject becomes very limited as you will suffer from some element of groupthink no matter what you do.
The amount of people who would question the whole approach to covid who would also listen to the likes of what Gemma o Doherty would say is small.
It's perfectly possible to think she's a clown but also think that people willingly accepting restrictions without really questioning things are also clowns.

jaymla627 · 24-10-2020 08:39AM

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

When you start separating yourself and others into being aligned with groups, your capacity to come to a full understanding of the subject becomes very limited as you will suffer from some element of groupthink no matter what you do.
The amount of people who would question the whole approach to covid who would also listen to the likes of what Gemma o Doherty would say is small.
It's perfectly possible to think she's a clown but also think that people willingly accepting restrictions without really questioning things are also clowns.

The government is being very proactive in keeping the public sector onside it's very much a divide and conquer approach,by right in the budget gone by their should of been 10% minimun payouts across the board for any higher earners over say 50k in the public sector, it's only logical but this would of meant instead of having 20-30% of households questioning the covid lockdown approach you would of had well over 50% losing their minds coupled with your ps trade unions having temper tantrums threatening to shut down schools/hospitals etc

_Brian · 24-10-2020 09:15AM

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

When you start separating yourself and others into being aligned with groups, your capacity to come to a full understanding of the subject becomes very limited as you will suffer from some element of groupthink no matter what you do.
The amount of people who would question the whole approach to covid who would also listen to the likes of what Gemma o Doherty would say is small.
It's perfectly possible to think she's a clown but also think that people willingly accepting restrictions without really questioning things are also clowns.

I’m very happy with separating myself from Gemma, covid denying types and those hammering down on front lines staff and guards.

I’m happy to question the actions of the government and I’ve been critical of actions. But I support what they are doing and what the guards are doing.

yosemitesam1 · 24-10-2020 09:40AM

_Brian wrote: »

I’m very happy with separating myself from Gemma, covid denying types and those hammering down on front lines staff and guards.

I’m happy to question the actions of the government and I’ve been critical of actions. But I support what they are doing and what the guards are doing.

There's a difference between asking a few questions and really questioning things. You are the demographic that is least affected by all the restrictions financially and socially. There hasn't been much impetus for you to really dig into whether or not we are on the right path.

If you would be a real seeker after truth, it is necessary that at least once in your life you doubt, as far as possible, all things

Shadow Dancer · 24-10-2020 12:49PM

Lots of alternative media sources out there on you tube etc. Not everyone is some right wing looney.
Debate being stifled everyday on mainstream media, because people won't follow the narrative on the propaganda machine.

Having said that, I really enjoyed Prime Time on Thursday night I think it was.
Dr. Jon Lee and Dan O'brien telling it like it is.
Prof. Tomás Ryan and his zero Covid strategy being shown for the pie in the sky it is.

For anyone not familiar with his work, it's worth checking out Ivor Cummins. He deals in scientific data. Agree or disagree with him, he's worth listening to. He has done great work previously on food and diet.Really worth a listen to.

Michael McNamara TD doing great work in the Dáil. Has in my opinion, done excellent work as the chair of the Dáil committee looking at Covid 19.

Kickstart1.3 · 24-10-2020 01:58PM

_Brian wrote: »

It’s your post that’s full of BS

Why don’t you go off and light another candle in fromt of that photo of gemma you have on the alter.

idk who gemma is, I've stopped watching RTE
Tell me what part of my post is BS?

People walking about with face shields. - not worth a dam
Perspex Screens at shop tills. : - a joke
What studies are done to prove this works? It doesn't you'd have to do fluid flow analysis for every single permutation of a till.
Closing small shops, pubs, cafes etc yet the likes of Tesco and lidl have shopping aisles jammed less than 2m apart filled with Alcohol, Electrical items etc : A farce and a slap in the face to small Business
I am right about this, If the Government were serious than they'd restrict the big supermarkets from over crowding the shopping Aisles.
HSE staff such as senior Dentists asked to do Covid testing. Ok this is within reason but what's not within reason is to continue paying them surgeons wages while doing the work of a lab tech. Yet its ok to tell Joe bloggs he can't work and must live off 350 per week and less in cases.
Oh best not confront the hard working public service.
Garda blocking traffic to abuse peoples freedom of movement. As if anyone who is not going to work etc is going to own up to them assh0l3s
This is correct not BS
None stop coverage by RTE : - there's no way in hell I'm paying my TV licence again.
I'll even go further and say it's very one sided.

So please enlighten me as to why the post is BS??

emaherx · 24-10-2020 04:58PM

Kickstart1.3 wrote: »

idk who gemma is, I've stopped watching RTE
Tell me what part of my post is BS?
People walking about with face shields. - not worth a dam
Perspex Screens at shop tills. : - a joke
What studies are done to prove this works? It doesn't you'd have to do fluid flow analysis for every single permutation of a till.

Closing small shops, pubs, cafes etc yet the likes of Tesco and lidl have shopping aisles jammed less than 2m apart filled with Alcohol, Electrical items etc : A farce and a slap in the face to small Business
I am right about this, If the Government were serious than they'd restrict the big supermarkets from over crowding the shopping Aisles.

HSE staff such as senior Dentists asked to do Covid testing. Ok this is within reason but what's not within reason is to continue paying them surgeons wages while doing the work of a lab tech. Yet its ok to tell Joe bloggs he can't work and must live off 350 per week and less in cases.
Oh best not confront the hard working public service.

Garda blocking traffic to abuse peoples freedom of movement. As if anyone who is not going to work etc is going to own up to them assh0l3s
This is correct not BS

None stop coverage by RTE : - there's no way in hell I'm paying my TV licence again.
I'll even go further and say it's very one sided.

So please enlighten me as to why the post is BS??

Yea, can't see how a perspex screen at a till would stop droplets from someone coughing or sneezing as droplets are known to pass through solid objects when someone sneezes! If only there was some kind of test to see if perspex can actually stop a high velocity droplet.

I've never herd of someone being paid less in any job for temporarily doing work normally considered below their station.

yosemitesam1 · 24-10-2020 07:37PM

wrangler wrote: »

No point in electing a government if you're not going to abide by their decisions.
The secret is in the name 'government'

the group of people with the authority to govern a country or state

Nobody elected anyone on the basis that they would create nphet and rely almost entirely on their advice

whelan2 · 24-10-2020 07:39PM

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

Nobody elected anyone on the basis that they would create nphet and rely almost entirely on their advice

In fairness we had no idea of this ****storm when we were electing anyone

Buford T. Justice XIX · 24-10-2020 07:41PM

Mod note: Just did a bit of cleaning. For the record, a thread ban means no more posting on this thread.

Fire away again, folks.

Buford T. Justice

wrangler · 24-10-2020 07:50PM

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

Nobody elected anyone on the basis that they would create nphet and rely almost entirely on their advice

What did you elect them for if not take decisions like that, they have to protect the hospitals from too much pressure, patients were queueing outside Altnagelvin Hospital in the rain today, Is that what you want.
With the escalation in numbers we've been experiencing, I don't think they're doing enough.

Water John · 24-10-2020 07:53PM

I was stopped twice at the same Garda check today and got no abuse.

BTW no one is advocating zero Covid policy. If we had all had worked with Level 2/3, we wouldn't have Level 5 now, it's our choice.

As per Wrangler, two hospitals in Cork now coming under pressure with numbers.

yosemitesam1 · 24-10-2020 08:12PM

wrangler wrote: »

What did you elect them for if not take decisions like that, they have to protect the hospitals from too much pressure, patients were queueing outside Altnagelvin Hospital in the rain today, Is that what you want.
With the escalation in numbers we've been experiencing, I don't think they're doing enough.

They were elected to lead and make decisions not to outsource that to a group with no experience of the real world.

Hospitals are always running at over 100% capacity in the winter. Why has getting anywhere near 100% become such a bad thing

paddysdream · 24-10-2020 08:17PM

wrangler wrote: »

What did you elect them for if not take decisions like that, they have to protect the hospitals from too much pressure, patients were queueing outside Altnagelvin Hospital in the rain today, Is that what you want.
With the escalation in numbers we've been experiencing, I don't think they're doing enough.

is that because they are busy or that they are not allowing people to wait inside as per normal?
Brought a neighbour to a local clinic few times over the last couple of months and no one allowed into the waiting room.Everyone has to wait outside in the rain or sit in the car until the nurse is ready to see them.This is a place almost exclusively attended by the elderly and they are less than impressed.

wrangler · 24-10-2020 08:20PM

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

They were elected to lead and make decisions not to outsource that to a group with no experience of the real world.

Hospitals are always running at over 100% capacity in the winter. Why has getting anywhere near 100% become such a bad thing

This pandemic is capable of getting them to 200% capacity if that's what you want, There's plenty of staff missing in hospitals, plenty of procedures put back.
In spite of the advice I say they're not doing enough, I had a procedure put back so that probably has me biased.

wrangler · 24-10-2020 08:25PM

paddysdream wrote: »

is that because they are busy or that they are not allowing people to wait inside as per normal?
Brought a neighbour to a local clinic few times over the last couple of months and no one allowed into the waiting room.Everyone has to wait outside in the rain or sit in the car until the nurse is ready to see them.This is a place almost exclusively attended by the elderly and they are less than impressed.

There's more Covid cases in ICU in the north now than the south, I know I'd say that the medics are well paid for doing it but there's no point in trying to kill them with carelessness and thoughtlessness

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