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Trump vs Biden 2020, Ultimate battle for the fate of our universe (pt 3)Read OP 01/11

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,573 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    MoonUnit75 wrote: »
    So we should just accept objections that don't make sense because, Biden?

    I agree it is tedious, but worth knowing that most of the 'red flags' are just misunderstandings. I understand people are desperate for any bit of information that will allow them to think 'OK, so I don't have to believe this, great!'.

    It seems though that we have two lockdowns going now, a Covid lockdown and a 'Frontal Lobe' lockdown: Just don't think rationally about this out in public for the next couple of weeks until Biden is in.

    I think the press standing down on this corruption story will be the biggest scandal of all. The corrupt back-room dealing is a grubby stain on the Biden's but people will now have to question if they have any reason to believe the media are interested in them knowing the truth before an election.

    even Fox News wanted nothing to do with story. the journalist who wrote the NYP story wants nothing to do with it


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,514 ✭✭✭MoonUnit75


    Quin_Dub wrote: »
    If the task was retrieving data , then simply no that's just not the case.

    Water damage obviously can lead to component damage , but to be able to determine almost instantly that "there was nothing to be done" about two of the systems in terms of data recovery just does not pass muster , not even a little bit.

    If they had platter based drives , even if they'd been submerged fully in water , there's a half decent chance of getting the data off them no matter what other parts of the system has short circuited. I've personally taken drives out of systems that had been burned to a crisp in a fire and then put out by the Fire Service and still gotten data off them.

    If they were stand-alone , removeable SSD drives , he'd still have to remove them , mount them and run a full bore data recovery suite on them which for a typical modern sized drive (North of 100GB) would take many many hours.

    If the SSD chips were "down" on the mainboard , it's all the above plus de-soldering etc. etc.

    As I said , it's just another "Wait a minute, that doesn't really make a whole lot of sense" moment.

    The scenario we have been provided is not impossible , but it is implausible.

    And the problem is that there are just far too many "Not impossible but sort of implausible" elements to this that when taken together as an entire story just destroy the believability of the provenance of all of this information.

    You don't know the extent of the damage to the other two laptops though? He's a dedicated Mac repair shop that's been open for years and he actually saw the laptops.

    Fire damage and water damage are two very different beasts, water can make the entire circuit board short out and cause massive, irretrievable damage to all components in there if the laptop was powered on when the water entered the case.

    Have you personally retrieved data from a solid state drive that had been immersed in water while powered up?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,514 ✭✭✭MoonUnit75


    vojiwox wrote: »
    Yourself, breitbart and the nypost are the only ones running with the story at this stage.... Hmmm.

    It's all over the news?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,132 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Only the best people for Trump



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,425 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    MoonUnit75 wrote: »
    You don't know the extent of the damage to the other two laptops though? He's a dedicated Mac repair shop that's been open for years and he actually saw the laptops.

    Fire damage and water damage are two very different beasts, water can make the entire circuit board short out and cause massive, irretrievable damage to all components in there if the laptop was powered on when the water entered the case.

    Have you personally retrieved data from a solid state drive that had been immersed in water while powered up?

    Part of my job previously was responsibility for one of the largest PC repair facilities in the United States , repairing thousands of units every week.

    So yeah , I know what I'm talking about.

    However , AGAIN.

    The point here is not about POSSIBILITY it's about PLAUSIBILITY.

    And there are just far too many elements of this story that each individually strain that plausibility question.

    As I have already said if it was just one or two elements you could overlook the potential "Plausibility gap" and move on , but there are simply too many of them to allow you to do that.

    The story taken as a whole, fails miserably to pass "The sniff test".


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,514 ✭✭✭MoonUnit75


    and yet Rudy still hasn't released the emails. why is that?

    He's handed them to the police and the FBI to investigate? Should only take them a few days to compare Rudy's drive and the laptop seized in December 2019.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,514 ✭✭✭MoonUnit75


    Quin_Dub wrote: »
    Part of my job previously was responsibility for one of the largest PC repair facilities in the United States , repairing thousands of units every week.

    So yeah , I know what I'm talking about.

    However , AGAIN.

    The point here is not about POSSIBILITY it's about PLAUSIBILITY.

    And there are just far too many elements of this story that each individually strain that plausibility question.

    As I have already said if it was just one or two elements you could overlook the potential "Plausibility gap" and move on , but there are simply too many of them to allow you to do that.

    The story taken as a whole, fails miserably to pass "The sniff test".

    But I take it you haven't seen the laptops and you haven't personally recovered data from an SSD that was immersed in water while the battery was charged and motherboard live?


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    MoonUnit75 wrote: »
    It's all over the news?

    by news you mean gutter press?

    The best bit about all this Hunter guff.

    It doesn't appear to be making the blindest bit of difference to the US voters.


  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,425 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    MoonUnit75 wrote: »
    He's handed them to the police and the FBI to investigate? Should only take them a few days to compare Rudy's drive and the laptop seized in December 2019.

    Just to clarify..

    He gave absolutely nothing to the FBI.

    He handed "something" into the local Delaware police who rightly didn't want to touch it with a barge pole so they have forwarded it to the FBI.

    The reason I say "something" is that the quote from the Delaware police was "He gave us a drive or a laptop or something"
    “They’ve got a hard drive, or a laptop, or something to that effect. They try to turn it over to New Castle County PD. New Castle County PD calls us,” said Mat Marshall, a spokesman for Delaware Attorney General Kathy Jennings.


  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,425 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    MoonUnit75 wrote: »
    But I take it you haven't seen the laptops and you haven't personally recovered data from an SSD that was immersed in water while the battery was charged and motherboard live?

    JFC

    POSSIBLE

    PLAUSIBLE

    Learn the difference between the words and read my posts.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,042 ✭✭✭Carfacemandog


    MoonUnit75 wrote: »
    But I take it you haven't seen the laptops and you haven't personally recovered data from an SSD that was immersed in water while the battery was charged and motherboard live?
    My OH had to get that done a few years back for a laptop.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,514 ✭✭✭MoonUnit75


    Quin_Dub wrote: »
    JFC

    POSSIBLE

    PLAUSIBLE

    Learn the difference between the words and read my posts.

    I read your post: "
    Water damage obviously can lead to component damage , but to be able to determine almost instantly that "there was nothing to be done" about two of the systems in terms of data recovery just does not pass muster , not even a little bit."

    Does not pass muster, even a little bit is a fairly strong rejection that the guy's account is plausible. Don't be the guy who posts dictionary links :)

    Crap, I'd be the kind of person who posts dictionary links. :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,000 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    MoonUnit75 wrote: »
    But I take it you haven't seen the laptops and you haven't personally recovered data from an SSD that was immersed in water while the battery was charged and motherboard live?

    A battery always has a charge, thus a motherboard is always "live", with SSD, beyond repair really only means desoldering the chips and smashing them with a hammer or shredding them, pretty much any other damage is easily recoverable.

    Now, if the story was that it would cost too much to retrieve data from the other two, that's more plausible.

    But the people making this up haven't got a f'n clue about any of this, and spinning ridiculous lie after ridiculous lie to pretend there is a story here.

    If you really believe it, as in really, and not just because it somehow demonises Biden and might give orange man a poll boost, then no one can help you, you're better off following QAnon and pushing flat earth theories.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,514 ✭✭✭MoonUnit75


    astrofool wrote: »
    A battery always has a charge, thus a motherboard is always "live", with SSD, beyond repair really only means desoldering the chips and smashing them with a hammer or shredding them, pretty much any other damage is easily recoverable.

    We're specifically talking about water damage though. I agree with you that if the battery was charged on two the motherboards are live whether they have woken it up with the power button or not. If one had a totally depleted battery though it wouldn't have enough residual current to cause major damage to the components.
    Now, if the story was that it would cost too much to retrieve data from the other two, that's more plausible.

    We don't know what the damage was though!
    But the people making this up haven't got a f'n clue about any of this, and spinning ridiculous lie after ridiculous lie to pretend there is a story here.

    If you really believe it, as in really, and not just because it somehow demonises Biden and might give orange man a poll boost, then no one can help you, you're better off following QAnon and pushing flat earth theories.

    Wrong thread.


  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,425 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Look..

    Let's all stipulate that each of the following elements is POSSIBLE
    • Hunter Biden happened to have 3 water-damaged laptops in Delaware that needed repair , despite living in California
    • He chose to take them to a Repair shop run by a Blind Trump Supporting Conspiracy Theorist purely coincidentally
    • The Damage to 2 of the laptops was such that the repair guy was instantly able to determine that they were beyond repair and not worth him even trying
    • The One was was repairable happened to be the one that had "dirt" on it
    • The other systems could also have had "dirt" on them
    • Having submitted them for repair Hunter Biden ignored multiple phone calls about collecting them.
    • Hunter Biden just never thought about the laptop ever again
    • The Repair Shop owner , having recovered the data , decided that he should "read" the data (a major breech of protocol really)
    • He found "Dirt"
    • He had a "Friend" that knew how to contact Multiple Senators/Congress people
    • None of them responded
    • Eventually the "Friend" got in touch with Rudi through his personal attorney.
    • The FBI took the device last November and have done absolutely nothing with it since , not a single thing.
    • Rudi got a copy of the data at around the same time
    • Rudi didn't use the data to defend Trump from Impeachment , because reasons.
    • Rudi didn't give the Data to the Bash Inquiry , because reasons.
    • Rudi didn't give the Data to the Durham investigation , because reasons.
    • Rudi didn't give the data to the Ron Johnson Senate inquiry , because reasons.
    • Rudi shopped the data to multiple media outlets in recent weeks and none would go near it.
    • Rudi finally decided to use the NYP, because "they wouldn't waste time doing stuff like fact checking"
    • New York Post Journalists refused to add their by-line to what would be a Pulitzer nominated article if it was true.
    • The FBI to date have said absolutely nothing other than "NO COMMENT" so far about any element of the story.

    Could each of these statements have occurred as stipulated?

    In isolation , Yes , of course they could

    BUT ,For this story to hold water - every single one of them needs to be true.

    And as I have said now repeatedly , that just strains PLAUSIBILTY beyond breaking point for me.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 416 ✭✭vojiwox


    MoonUnit75 wrote: »
    It's all over the news?

    It's not though.

    It's all over certain parts of the internet for sure.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,370 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    MoonUnit75 wrote: »
    It's all over the news?

    So was Stormy Daniels, Quid Pro Quo with Ukraine, Russian bounties on American soldiers heads, Russian interference in the 2016 election

    Are all of these things true?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,000 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    MoonUnit75 wrote: »
    We're specifically talking about water damage though. I agree with you that if the battery was charged on two the motherboards are live whether they have woken it up with the power button or not. If one had a totally depleted battery though it wouldn't have enough residual current to cause major damage to the components.

    We don't know what the damage was though!

    Wrong thread.

    Either way, there's no way of knowing if data could be retrieved or not within a few minutes (a laptop battery is also never fully depleted because of how batteries work), and the fact that the "damage" isn't known is another part of the story that doesn't add up.

    You're being completely irrational to follow a made up story, or there is an agenda (likely the latter).

    Again, Rudy/Trumpy and his gang (that hasn't been fired or convicted) have spent years pushing "fake" news, and have now come up with a completely crazy made up story, and their supporters, including yourself, are buying it, do you not see this? It's completely farcical, it's treating their supporters are complete simpletons with no brains of their own and seeing if they'll swallow any old sh*t, and the mouths are wide open and asking for more.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,449 ✭✭✭Call Me Jimmy


    astrofool wrote: »
    A battery always has a charge, thus a motherboard is always "live", with SSD, beyond repair really only means desoldering the chips and smashing them with a hammer or shredding them, pretty much any other damage is easily recoverable.

    Now, if the story was that it would cost too much to retrieve data from the other two, that's more plausible.

    But the people making this up haven't got a f'n clue about any of this, and spinning ridiculous lie after ridiculous lie to pretend there is a story here.

    If you really believe it, as in really, and not just because it somehow demonises Biden and might give orange man a poll boost, then no one can help you, you're better off following QAnon and pushing flat earth theories.

    Mindless parroting of the buzzwords, QAnon became an awful lot more popular since the mainstream gave 'oxygen' to that conspiracy theory in front of the largest audience possible. That was suspect at the time.

    It is not 'QAnon' to say the former mayor of new york has given a laptop/harddrive to the police and that he claims there are a couple of pictures that look illegal amongst the thousands. It is not 'QAnon' to say that a man in delaware has claimed he gave a laptop to the FBI. But this is the pivot after the 'russian disinformation' one fell flat on its face.

    It used to be - and is when it is convenient - that a single unnamed source or gossip in the new york times was enough to make the Trump guilty of anything. So I've found this newfound journalistic scepticism welcome but revealing.

    There also has been no explanation of where the photos of Hunter came from. And the thing is that nobody is even curious about it. They accept whatever they're told without evidence (that russia hacked Burisma, I suppose?). Except the russian disinformation angle has been shut own by DNI, DOJ and FBI.
    One thing that made me take notice was the censorship and the fact that people started calling it russian disinformation without evidence. They won't believe the DNI but they believed someone like Adam Schiff or a newspaper article with no one on the record.


    As far as a poll boost, I have been confident Trump will win comfortable enough before this came out. In fact this could hurt him in the public's eye in the short term.


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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,425 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Mindless parroting of the buzzwords, QAnon became an awful lot more popular since the mainstream gave 'oxygen' to that conspiracy theory in front of the largest audience possible. That was suspect at the time.

    It is not 'QAnon' to say the former mayor of new york has given a laptop/harddrive to the police and that he claims there are a couple of pictures that look illegal amongst the thousands. It is not 'QAnon' to say that a man in delaware has claimed he gave a laptop to the FBI. But this is the pivot after the 'russian disinformation' one fell flat on its face.

    It used to be - and is when it is convenient - that a single unnamed source or gossip in the new york times was enough to make the Trump guilty of anything. So I've found this newfound journalistic scepticism welcome but revealing.

    There also has been no explanation of where the photos of Hunter came from. And the thing is that nobody is even curious about it. They accept whatever they're told without evidence (that russia hacked Burisma, I suppose?). Except the russian disinformation angle has been shut own by DNI, DOJ and FBI.
    One thing that made me take notice was the censorship and the fact that people started calling it russian disinformation without evidence. They won't believe the DNI but they believed someone like Adam Schiff or a newspaper article with no one on the record.


    As far as a poll boost, I have been confident Trump will win comfortable enough before this came out. In fact this could hurt him in the public's eye in the short term.

    Just on that - Happy to be corrected , but to my knowledge there has been no official comment from either the DOJ or the FBI beyond a "No Comment at this time" letter from the FBI in response to a letter from a Senator (Ron Johnson I believe).

    We've had Fox News saying that a "source" told them that the FBI agreed with Ratcliffe, but no official statement that I have seen.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,514 ✭✭✭MoonUnit75


    Hunter Biden happened to have 3 water-damaged laptops in Delaware that needed repair , despite living in California
    He chose to take them to a Repair shop run by a Blind Trump Supporting Conspiracy Theorist purely coincidentally

    He had an address in California but according to records he was rarely there. They tried around 10 times to contact him at that address during 2019 to serve him for breaking the terms of his divorce and he was never there.

    The IT guy supporting Trump is possible, not sure you can call him a conspiracy theorist. As fas as I can gather he told reporters he feared for his life and when they asked him why he said he had heard stories about things like this.
    The Damage to 2 of the laptops was such that the repair guy was instantly able to determine that they were beyond repair and not worth him even trying
    The One was was repairable happened to be the one that had "dirt" on it
    The other systems could also have had "dirt" on them

    We've already agreed, I think, that this is possible and plausible.
    Having submitted them for repair Hunter Biden ignored multiple phone calls about collecting them.
    Hunter Biden just never thought about the laptop ever again

    He seems to have been keeping a low profile, avoiding his ex-wife and her lawyers so I think its possible he changed his phone number or didn't answer calls if he didn't immediately recognise the number.
    The Repair Shop owner , having recovered the data , decided that he should "read" the data (a major breech of protocol really)
    He found "Dirt"

    He was legally entitled to and probably well advised to look at it. It was abandoned property, same as if you dumped all your bills and medical records in a country lane. You lose the expectation of privacy.
    If the shop owner is now the legal owner, as per the contract, he is probably right to check there isn't child porn or something on it he could be charged with as its owner.
    He had a "Friend" that knew how to contact Multiple Senators/Congress people
    None of them responded
    Eventually the "Friend" got in touch with Rudi through his personal attorney.
    The FBI took the device last November and have done absolutely nothing with it since , not a single thing.

    We don't know what the FBI did or whether they had a legal right to examine it if there was no current investigation.
    Rudi got a copy of the data at around the same time
    Rudi didn't use the data to defend Trump from Impeachment , because reasons.
    Rudi didn't give the Data to the Bash Inquiry , because reasons.
    Rudi didn't give the Data to the Durham investigation , because reasons.
    Rudi didn't give the data to the Ron Johnson Senate inquiry , because reasons.

    From what I've read, that's not the timeline. Rudy only got it sometime in August or early September this year.
    Rudi shopped the data to multiple media outlets in recent weeks and none would go near it.
    Rudi finally decided to use the NYP, because "they wouldn't waste time doing stuff like fact checking"

    I think what he said, or meant, is that the likes of the media companies who went straight to the Russian disinfo conspiracy theory, would sit on it until after the election. We know that would have been the case by their reaction after it was released. The Fox news report is unconfirmed but if they didn't feel they had time to verify it beyond reasonable doubt then that's their call.
    New York Post Journalists refused to add their by-line to what would be a Pulitzer nominated article if it was true.
    The FBI to date have said absolutely nothing other than "NO COMMENT" so far about any element of the story.

    The FBI have said they will brief the congressional and senate committees if there is any suggestion of foreign interference they need to know about. Therefore they don't believe it is foreign interference.
    Could each of these statements have occurred as stipulated?

    In isolation , Yes , of course they could

    BUT ,For this story to hold water - every single one of them needs to be true.

    And as I have said now repeatedly , that just strains PLAUSIBILTY beyond breaking point for me.

    I don't entirely agree with your timeline or version of events though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,710 ✭✭✭weisses


    Quin_Dub wrote: »
    Look..

    Let's all stipulate that each of the following elements is POSSIBLE
    • Hunter Biden happened to have 3 water-damaged laptops in Delaware that needed repair , despite living in California
    • He chose to take them to a Repair shop run by a Blind Trump Supporting Conspiracy Theorist purely coincidentally
    • The Damage to 2 of the laptops was such that the repair guy was instantly able to determine that they were beyond repair and not worth him even trying
    • The One was was repairable happened to be the one that had "dirt" on it
    • The other systems could also have had "dirt" on them
    • Having submitted them for repair Hunter Biden ignored multiple phone calls about collecting them.
    • Hunter Biden just never thought about the laptop ever again
    • The Repair Shop owner , having recovered the data , decided that he should "read" the data (a major breech of protocol really)
    • He found "Dirt"
    • He had a "Friend" that knew how to contact Multiple Senators/Congress people
    • None of them responded
    • Eventually the "Friend" got in touch with Rudi through his personal attorney.
    • The FBI took the device last November and have done absolutely nothing with it since , not a single thing.
    • Rudi got a copy of the data at around the same time
    • Rudi didn't use the data to defend Trump from Impeachment , because reasons.
    • Rudi didn't give the Data to the Bash Inquiry , because reasons.
    • Rudi didn't give the Data to the Durham investigation , because reasons.
    • Rudi didn't give the data to the Ron Johnson Senate inquiry , because reasons.
    • Rudi shopped the data to multiple media outlets in recent weeks and none would go near it.
    • Rudi finally decided to use the NYP, because "they wouldn't waste time doing stuff like fact checking"
    • New York Post Journalists refused to add their by-line to what would be a Pulitzer nominated article if it was true.
    • The FBI to date have said absolutely nothing other than "NO COMMENT" so far about any element of the story.

    Could each of these statements have occurred as stipulated?

    In isolation , Yes , of course they could

    BUT ,For this story to hold water - every single one of them needs to be true.

    And as I have said now repeatedly , that just strains PLAUSIBILTY beyond breaking point for me.

    Quick question...how is a blind computer repair guy (yeah i know) able to read the content of a laptop ??

    Just throwing it out there


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,446 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    Nearly 700 economists, including seven Nobel Prize winners, are urgently warning against Trump’s reelection, citing what they describe as a "sustained assault" on democracy, a bumbled response to the pandemic and the spread of "dangerous misinformation."


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,490 ✭✭✭stefanovich


    Nearly 700 economists, including seven Nobel Prize winners, are urgently warning against Trump’s reelection, citing what they describe as a "sustained assault" on democracy, a bumbled response to the pandemic and the spread of "dangerous misinformation."

    They found 700 people with economics degrees that hate Trump? Shocking!

    What about their ecomomics degree makes them experts in democracy, pandemics or misinformation?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,446 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    “I will soon be giving a first in television history full, unedited preview of the vicious attempted “takeout” interview of me by Lesley Stahl of @60Minutes. Watch her constant interruptions & anger. Compare my full, flowing and “magnificently brilliant” answers to their “Q’s”.“

    His interview must have been seriously bad.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,446 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    They found 700 people with economics degrees that hate Trump? Shocking!

    What about their ecomomics degree makes them experts in democracy, pandemics or misinformation?

    4 years of the same ****e responses...

    Never trumpers
    Fake news
    Worked for Obama
    Liberals
    Democrats


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,091 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Quin_Dub wrote:
    And as I have said now repeatedly , that just strains PLAUSIBILTY beyond breaking point for me.

    Well done sir, great post.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,000 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Mindless parroting of the buzzwords, QAnon became an awful lot more popular since the mainstream gave 'oxygen' to that conspiracy theory in front of the largest audience possible. That was suspect at the time.

    It is not 'QAnon' to say the former mayor of new york has given a laptop/harddrive to the police and that he claims there are a couple of pictures that look illegal amongst the thousands. It is not 'QAnon' to say that a man in delaware has claimed he gave a laptop to the FBI. But this is the pivot after the 'russian disinformation' one fell flat on its face.

    It used to be - and is when it is convenient - that a single unnamed source or gossip in the new york times was enough to make the Trump guilty of anything. So I've found this newfound journalistic scepticism welcome but revealing.

    There also has been no explanation of where the photos of Hunter came from. And the thing is that nobody is even curious about it. They accept whatever they're told without evidence (that russia hacked Burisma, I suppose?). Except the russian disinformation angle has been shut own by DNI, DOJ and FBI.
    One thing that made me take notice was the censorship and the fact that people started calling it russian disinformation without evidence. They won't believe the DNI but they believed someone like Adam Schiff or a newspaper article with no one on the record.


    As far as a poll boost, I have been confident Trump will win comfortable enough before this came out. In fact this could hurt him in the public's eye in the short term.

    Just to get this straight, you don't support Trump, but think he will win, and believe the story that Giuliani is pushing at the moment based on the facts and details, or because it goes against mainstream media?

    While putting 'everything' in quotes looks fun (I mean why 'oxygen'? was that needed?), the assertion is that anyone who can believe the list of circumstances that would lead to the email story being real (and maybe there is some real evidence out there that will come to light, I doubt it, and Rudy is probably finished with his hands down his pants tonight) are also in a venn diagram conjoined with those who believe in other outlandish conspiracy theories.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,264 ✭✭✭Billy Mays


    4 years of the same ****e responses...

    Never trumpers
    Fake news
    Worked for Obama
    Liberals
    Democrats
    Deep St8


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,710 ✭✭✭✭extra gravy


    “I will soon be giving a first in television history full, unedited preview of the vicious attempted “takeout” interview of me by Lesley Stahl of @60Minutes. Watch her constant interruptions & anger. Compare my full, flowing and “magnificently brilliant” answers to their “Q’s”.“

    His interview must have been seriously bad.

    Ha sounds like she didn't let him get away with his usual lies, looking forward to it.


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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,425 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    “I will soon be giving a first in television history full, unedited preview of the vicious attempted “takeout” interview of me by Lesley Stahl of @60Minutes. Watch her constant interruptions & anger. Compare my full, flowing and “magnificently brilliant” answers to their “Q’s”.“

    His interview must have been seriously bad.

    Good lord , that's an actual quote from him...

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1319248527613100035

    Parody and satire are truly dead in the face of that..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,132 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    He's such a man child.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,122 ✭✭✭✭Jimmy Bottlehead


    Quin_Dub wrote: »
    Good lord , that's an actual quote from him...

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1319248527613100035

    Parody and satire are truly dead in the face of that..

    The screaming narcissism is what gets me. I get the American love of supreme confidence, but Trump isn't within an asses roar of confidence, it's sheer unmitigated arrogance and yet he's beloved for it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,768 ✭✭✭timsey tiger


    Real Clear Politics, have moved Michigan to lean Biden following a Fox news poll putting him 12 points up.

    For all of you confident in Trafalgar's methodology :rolleyes:, they have Trump 1% ahead and there is still time to remortgage the house and put it on Trump.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    Quin_Dub wrote: »
    Good lord , that's an actual quote from him...

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1319248527613100035

    Parody and satire are truly dead in the face of that..

    christ. and he even dropped in a Qanon dogwhistle.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,132 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Real Clear Politics, have moved Michigan to lean Biden following a Fox news poll putting him 12 points up.

    This will be over on election night in my opinion.

    The defeat for Trump will be too decisive to have any doubts from him.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,514 ✭✭✭MoonUnit75


    He's such a man child.

    Yep, but there's a pair of them at it. Did you see where Biden went full man-child with a guy who asked him about Hunter and Joe selling access to the Vice President? Biden called him fat and went on a bizarre rant about how he (Biden) wasn't sedentary, was in better shape and they should have a competition to see who could do more push-ups. Very bizarre behaviour to a simple question.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/dec/05/joe-biden-iowa-voter-fat

    This election is definitely between two thin skinned hot-heads with explosive anger issues.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,490 ✭✭✭stefanovich


    froog wrote: »
    christ. and he even dropped in a Qanon dogwhistle.

    Or maybe he just ran out of characters?
    Should be entertaining at least.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,264 ✭✭✭Billy Mays


    Or maybe he just ran out of characters?
    Should be entertaining at least.
    He ran out of character years ago


  • Registered Users Posts: 446 ✭✭Ande1975


    Quin_Dub wrote: »
    Good lord , that's an actual quote from him...

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1319248527613100035

    Parody and satire are truly dead in the face of that..

    I am not sure if this has been said already but does anyone think that his cronies are going to throw out an edited version of the interview ahead of the actual airing to push a theory that CBS edit interviews?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,911 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    and yet Rudy still hasn't released the emails. why is that?

    Cause he's in a spot of bother for releasing something else after untucking his shirt


  • Site Banned Posts: 1,463 ✭✭✭RIGOLO


    Looks like Amy is off to the dance .
    The Senate judiciary committee on Thursday approved Judge Amy Coney Barrett and have sent it to the Senate floor.
    3 Appointees , The Supreme Court secured for a generation, thats some legacy to be left behind by a man who got $400 million from NBC to say 'Your Fired' ... impressive...

    The 10 Democrats didnt turn up .
    Which is a sign they have finally learned something.
    They have been so ineffectual in stopping the TRump administration agenda and trying to lay a glove on him for the last 4 years, they may as well not show up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,573 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Quin_Dub wrote: »
    Good lord , that's an actual quote from him...

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1319248527613100035

    Parody and satire are truly dead in the face of that..

    hilarious that he put "magnificently brilliant" in quotes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,490 ✭✭✭stefanovich


    Ghislaine Maxwell testimony is nothing but denials.

    https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/7274479-Maxwell-Deposition-2016.html


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,573 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    RIGOLO wrote: »
    Looks like Amy is off to the dance .
    The Senate judiciary committee on Thursday approved Judge Amy Coney Barrett and have sent it to the Senate floor.
    3 Appointees , The Supreme Court secured for a generation, thats some legacy to be left behind by a man who got $400 million from NBC to say 'Your Fired' ... impressive...

    The 10 Democrats didnt turn up .
    Which is a sign they have finally learned something.
    They have been so ineffectual in stopping the TRump administration agenda and trying to lay a glove on him for the last 4 years, they may as well not show up.

    if Joe wins the senate he can appoint as many SC judges as he wants. going by the polls that is looking likely.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,490 ✭✭✭stefanovich


    if Joe wins the senate he can appoint as many SC judges as he wants. going by the polls that is looking likely.

    Yes, it's called packing the court and it is highly irregular


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,395 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    Yes, it's called packing the court and it is highly irregular
    Has Trump not done that pretty much at all levels of the judiciary since taking over?
    So biden would be well within his rights to do the same if he wins


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,573 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Yes, it's called packing the court and it is highly irregular

    trump and McConnell have destroyed all norms. the gloves are off.


  • Site Banned Posts: 1,463 ✭✭✭RIGOLO


    if Joe wins the senate he can appoint as many SC judges as he wants. going by the polls that is looking likely.

    There are alot of hypotheticals in there...
    if the polls are right
    if Joe wins the presidency
    if the Dems win the senate ..
    if he then decides to pack the court
    if all Dems in moderate states choose to vote to pack the supreme court ..
    if a current sitting scotus pops off

    so thats at least 5 big 'ifs' ... and theres probably others ..

    meanwhile on the non-hypothetical no ifs required , side of things

    Donal Trump the man with the gold plated suite overlooking NY from 50 floors up, HAS appointed 3 judges to the SCOTUS , all relatively young .


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,395 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    Ghislaine Maxwell testimony is nothing but denials.

    https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/7274479-Maxwell-Deposition-2016.html
    And? Why are you dumping a link to a document from 2016?


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