Trump vs Biden 2020, Ultimate battle for the fate of our universe (pt 3)Read OP 01/11

weisses

RIGOLO wrote: »

So scoreline is currently
TRUMP 4 - OBAMA 0

Obama said he wouldnt run for presidency - he did
Obama said he wouldnt win the nomination - he did
Obama came out to endorse Hilary - she lost
Obama said he wouldnt win the presidency - he did

4 - 0

now that Obama has come out on the trail (virtual) to stump for Biden and said Trump wont win ...
will it be 4-2 , or 6-0
my money with PaddyPower is on 6-0

I see Obama hit a nerve last night and looking at the post above you had a rough night

MoonUnit75

May not have been posted on the thread yet, one of the people copied on the emails published last week has verified the email is genuine and the 'Big Guy' is indeed Joe Biden. Claims that the laptop is fake or a hoax or Russian interference are now shown to be false. He has made a statement:

"My name is Tony Bobulinski. The facts set forth below are true and accurate; they are not any form of domestic or foreign disinformation. Any suggestion to the contrary is false and offensive. I am the recipient of the email published seven days ago by the New York Post which showed a copy to Hunter Biden and Rob Walker. That email is genuine."

And
"The reference to “the Big Guy” in the much publicized May 13, 2017 email is in fact a reference to Joe Biden. The other “JB” referenced in that email is Jim Biden, Joe’s brother.

Hunter Biden called his dad ‘the Big Guy’ or ‘my Chairman,’ and frequently referenced asking him for his sign-off or advice on various potential deals that we were discussing. I’ve seen Vice President Biden saying he never talked to Hunter about his business. I’ve seen firsthand that that’s not true, because it wasn’t just Hunter’s business, they said they were putting the Biden family name and its legacy on the line."

New York Post report: He also says that he turned over all his evidence to two Senate committees Wednesday that requested it.

https://nypost.com/2020/10/22/hunter-biz-partner-confirms-e-mail-details-joe-bidens-push-to-make-millions-from-china/

Well that seems to be that then, the laptop is genuine and Biden has a lot of explaining to do.

PropJoe10

gmisk wrote: »

He said he would bring back jobs to the US the big example was with the coal industry. He hasn't brought back those jobs there are thousands less jobs in that area since he took over. Plus coal production and consumption are down 16% and 40% from 2016

That's because Trump is a born liar. The coal industry is finished and everyone knows that. Instead of promising these unfortunate people their jobs back, he should've been investing in a programme to either re-skill or re-employ these people in other sectors.

That would have required him to do some actual work and/or research, and we all know that he's never going to do anything like that. You can add this to the list of things he's promised and not delivered.

PropJoe10

RIGOLO wrote: »

So scoreline is currently
TRUMP 4 - OBAMA 0

Obama said he wouldnt run for presidency - he did
Obama said he wouldnt win the nomination - he did
Obama came out to endorse Hilary - she lost
Obama said he wouldnt win the presidency - he did

4 - 0

now that Obama has come out on the trail (virtual) to stump for Biden and said Trump wont win ...
will it be 4-2 , or 6-0
my money with PaddyPower is on 6-0

Why are Trump supporters so easily triggered by Obama? It's hilarious. Feeling ok there hun?

gmisk

MoonUnit75 wrote: »

May not have been posted on the thread yet, one of the people copied on the emails published last week has verified the email is genuine and the 'Big Guy' is indeed Joe Biden. Claims that the laptop is fake or a hoax or Russian interference are now shown to be false. He has made a statement:

"My name is Tony Bobulinski. The facts set forth below are true and accurate; they are not any form of domestic or foreign disinformation. Any suggestion to the contrary is false and offensive. I am the recipient of the email published seven days ago by the New York Post which showed a copy to Hunter Biden and Rob Walker. That email is genuine."

And
"The reference to “the Big Guy” in the much publicized May 13, 2017 email is in fact a reference to Joe Biden. The other “JB” referenced in that email is Jim Biden, Joe’s brother.

Hunter Biden called his dad ‘the Big Guy’ or ‘my Chairman,’ and frequently referenced asking him for his sign-off or advice on various potential deals that we were discussing. I’ve seen Vice President Biden saying he never talked to Hunter about his business. I’ve seen firsthand that that’s not true, because it wasn’t just Hunter’s business, they said they were putting the Biden family name and its legacy on the line."

New York Post report: He also says that he turned over all his evidence to two Senate committees Wednesday that requested it.

https://nypost.com/2020/10/22/hunter-biz-partner-confirms-e-mail-details-joe-bidens-push-to-make-millions-from-china/

Well that seems to be that then, the laptop is genuine and Biden has a lot of explaining to do.

Nonsense.
That is not that as you put it.

There are more holes in this story than a sieve.
If they were genuine the emails would have been released along with the metadata...they haven't...only screenshots.
Rudi has also been doing the rounds saying there was all sorts on the laptop like child pornography even the blind store owner said that wasn't true....it's all absolute rubbish...he has history and form for this kind of sh#te.

Gretas Gonna Get Ya!

Cody montana wrote: »

Trump said he would lock Hillary up!

It's all political games.

That's what some people don't seem to realise. They see themselves on opposite sides of ideologies, when they pick a team in these elections... but actually most of these people have no such hang ups.

Trump is actually very good friends with Bill, and they were golfing buddies for years. He ripped him to shreds in 2016 (which was very funny btw:pac:) - but they'll probably be playing golf again together after he leaves office.

I'm sure Bill will be laughing at Trump, for making so many more new enemies... he was collecting quite a few from his business career. But that's the nature of Trump, he's a street fighter... likes to get down in the mud and wrestle with people. He seems to thrive on it.

All the silly people out in society, that see him as some sort of pantomime villain, are really just displaying their own supreme naivety about how things work at the top. He's a ruthless businessman turned politician... nothing more, nothing less. (Not Hitler 2.0 )

stefanovich

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »

It's all political games.

That's what some people don't seem to realise. They see themselves on opposite sides of ideologies, when they pick a team in these elections... but actually most of these people have no such hang ups.

Trump is actually very good friends with Bill, and they were golfing buddies for years. He ripped him to shreds in 2016 (which was very funny btw:pac:) - but they'll probably be playing golf again together after he leaves office.

I'm sure Bill will be laughing at Trump, for making so many more new enemies... he was collecting quite a few from his business career. But that's the nature of Trump, he's a street fighter... likes to get down in the mud and wrestle with people. He seems to thrive on it.

All the silly people out in society, that see him as some sort of pantomime villain, are really just displaying their own supreme naivety about how things work at the top. He's a ruthless businessman turned politician... nothing more, nothing less. (Not Hitler 2.0 )

100% this.

Igotadose

Overheal wrote: »

Obama gives another stirring speech to GOTV in Philadelphia

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZEwLCU3fW0

That was some serious ripping. Loved the "Are you better off now than 4 years ago? 4 years ago you'd be out tailgating in front of the LFC with your buddies!"

MoonUnit75

gmisk wrote: »

Nonsense.
That is not that as you put it.

There are more holes in this story than a sieve.
If they were genuine the emails would have been released along with the metadata...they haven't...only screenshots.
Rudi has also been doing the rounds saying there was all sorts on the laptop like child pornography even the blind store owner said that wasn't true....it's all absolute rubbish...he has history and form for this kind of sh#te.

He's handed over the evidence to two senate committees. Sorry it hasn't worked out the way people wanted it to.

gmisk

MoonUnit75 wrote: »

He's handed over the evidence to two senate committees. Sorry it hasn't worked out the way people wanted it to.

Huh?! What do you mean? How has it worked out?
It's had little impact imo on biden campaign.

Why did he sit on this killer evidence for so long?
It's rubbish, like every other grubby thing Rudy has his paws on, total scumbag

It's a desperate smear campaign as Joe Biden has publicly stated.

Timberrrrrrrr

Cody montana wrote: »

Trump said he would lock Hillary up!

And build a wall

And reveal how much in debt he is

And would release his tax returns

And release his health care plans (two weeks anyone?)

And so on and so on.

MoonUnit75

gmisk wrote: »

Huh?!
Why did he sit on this killer evidence for so long?
It's rubbish, like every other grubby thing Rudy has his paws on, total scumbag

This isn't about Giuliani anymore. One of the people in on one of the Biden schemes has seen emails he received made public and has decided to co-operate with the investigation. It was pretty clear from the lack of denials, and now the confirmation, that there's no way you could fake 40,000 emails and 25,000 photos along with what looks like an iPhone backup with text messages.

Time to face up to Biden Inc. being a corrupt family shakedown operation benefiting from his position of power.

osarusan

BBC reporting/estimating that 40 million Americans have already voted.

If there really is any smoking gun material to this laptop story, it has been dragged out for too long. Needed to be out there earlier, and more clearly.

The fact that is isn't out there clearly makes me think it's not there at all.

8-10

osarusan wrote: »

BBC reporting/estimating that 40 million Americans have already voted.

If there really is any smoking gun material to this laptop story, it has been dragged out for too long. Needed to be out there earlier, and more clearly.

The fact that is isn't out there clearly makes me think it's not there at all.

I can't get my head around what the scandal is supposed to be

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/oct/22/hunter-biden-do-digital-platforms-care-more-than-news-corp-about-likely-misinformation

Luxxis

eagle eye wrote: »

No ignorance here but it's but worth trying to decipher all the crap in that post.

Ignorance, a quick Google search will verify everything i said, but more interesting, no one on here has denied anything i said, because they are at least aware of Obama's history, that alone should tell you something.

Timberrrrrrrr

MoonUnit75 wrote: »

This isn't about Giuliani anymore. One of the people in on one of the Biden schemes has seen emails he received made public and has decided to co-operate with the investigation. It was pretty clear from the lack of denials, and now the confirmation, that there's no way you could fake 40,000 emails and 25,000 photos along with what looks like an iPhone backup with text messages.

Time to face up to Biden Inc. being a corrupt family shakedown operation benefiting from his position of power.

How is it that these allegations about Biden bother you so much yet when Trump does exactly the same thing you have no comments to make?

Hypocrisy at its finest.

stefanovich

8-10 wrote: »

I can't get my head around what the scandal is supposed to be

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/oct/22/hunter-biden-do-digital-platforms-care-more-than-news-corp-about-likely-misinformation

The reason for your confusion is because you get your information from the guardian.

Luxxis

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

And build a wall

And reveal how much in debt he is

And would release his tax returns

And release his health care plans (two weeks anyone?)

And so on and so on.

So basically were now just arguing about which politician told the most/least lies.

stefanovich

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

How is it that these allegations about Biden bother you so much yet when Trump does exactly the same thing you have no comments to make?

Hypocrisy at its finest.

False equivalence. Trump may have family members in positions of power which suggests nepotism.

The accusation is that Biden squashed a corruption investigation to benefit his son's company for personal gain. That's way way worse.

gmisk

MoonUnit75 wrote: »

This isn't about Giuliani anymore. One of the people in on one of the Biden schemes has seen emails he received made public and has decided to co-operate with the investigation. It was pretty clear from the lack of denials, and now the confirmation, that there's no way you could fake 40,000 emails and 25,000 photos along with what looks like an iPhone backup with text messages.

Time to face up to Biden Inc. being a corrupt family shakedown operation benefiting from his position of power.

Lack of denials?
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/joe-biden-hunter-laptop-smear-trump-rudy-giuliani-us-election-2020-b1208133.html

It's easy to throw around numbers like the above without any independent verification of the same.

Timberrrrrrrr

Luxxis wrote: »

So basically were now just arguing about which politician told the most/least lies.

No evidence Biden has lied about the laptop, plenty of evidence Trump has told these lies.

Leroy42

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »

I'm sure Bill will be laughing at Trump, for making so many more new enemies... he was collecting quite a few from his business career. But that's the nature of Trump, he's a street fighter... likes to get down in the mud and wrestle with people. He seems to thrive on it.

A street fighter? Give me a break. He can't handle any form of questioning, even this week he walked out on an interview.

He continually, and I mean 4 years now, complains how hard everything is, that people are not nice to him that he isn't given enough credit.

He can't handle any form of criticism, not without having a pulpit all to himself where he can rant without anyone being able to counter act him.

He gets others, like Barr, to fight his battles for him. Only goes onto TV shows that will be nice to him.

Timberrrrrrrr

stefanovich wrote: »

False equivalence. Trump may have family members in positions of power which suggests nepotism.

Exactly, this has happened.

The accusation is that Biden squashed a corruption investigation to benefit his son's company for personal gain. That's way way worse.

There is insufficient proof that this has happened.

vojiwox

MoonUnit75 wrote: »

Well that seems to be that then, the laptop is genuine and Biden has a lot of explaining to do.

:pac:

So what happens now?

Leroy42

stefanovich wrote: »

False equivalence. Trump may have family members in positions of power which suggests nepotism.

The accusation is that Biden squashed a corruption investigation to benefit his son's company for personal gain. That's way way worse.

Trump pardoned people because they wouldn't rat him out!

He let KAC away with hawking Ivanka wares on TV. He allowed his daughter in law to use access to him to sell his apartments. He jacked up the price of membership to Mar-A-Lago to cash in on being POTUS.

He gave plum jobs to both Ivanka and Jared, despite neither having any experience.

MoonUnit75

gmisk wrote: »

Lack of denials?
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/joe-biden-hunter-laptop-smear-trump-rudy-giuliani-us-election-2020-b1208133.html

It's easy to throw around numbers like the above without any independent verification of the same.

There's no denial in that clip about the laptop or emails being genuine? Listen to her question and his answer. They are talking about the report from the Republicans from weeks ago, well before the laptop revelations provided the evidence they were missing.

ohnonotgmail

Leroy42 wrote: »

Trump pardoned people because they wouldn't rat him out!

He let KAC away with hawking Ivanka wares on TV. He allowed his daughter in law to use access to him to sell his apartments. He jacked up the price of membership to Mar-A-Lago to cash in on being POTUS.

He gave plum jobs to both Ivanka and Jared, despite neither having any experience.

not just that but Jared couldn't pass a security clearance but trump insisted he be allowed to work in the white house.

Carfacemandog

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

You know there are other sources already? It's no longer just Guiliaini. And the store owner and FBI are not Guiliaini.

Maybe if the only evidence was the hard drive in Guiliani's office and there was no timeline outside of this that could easily be falsified I would say, bleh it's just a political operative doing what they do, nothing to see here.

You have now entered "collecting and illegally retaining as well as copying child porn is ok because the culprit is associated with the letter R" territory.

I would ask what you think about Rudy and the girl he thought was 15, but I'm pretty sure I already know the answer.

MoonUnit75

MoonUnit75 wrote: »

This isn't about Giuliani anymore. One of the people in on one of the Biden schemes has seen emails he received made public and has decided to co-operate with the investigation. It was pretty clear from the lack of denials, and now the confirmation, that there's no way you could fake 40,000 emails and 25,000 photos along with what looks like an iPhone backup with text messages.

Time to face up to Biden Inc. being a corrupt family shakedown operation benefiting from his position of power.

Hey, can you show me where the emails were confirmed as real? A guy saying something still isn't a single email being seen.

MoonUnit75

Carfacemandog wrote: »

You have now entered "collecting and illegally retaining as well as copying child porn is ok because the culprit is associated with the letter R" territory.

I would ask what you think about Rudy and the girl he thought was 15, but I'm pretty sure I already know the answer.

There's nothing to say he thought she was 15 or that she said she was 15? From what I read she pretended to be a 'right wing reporter', how many 15 year olds are 'right wing reporters' and if they were supposed to be a 15 year old reporter I don't think Giuliani would have fallen for it.

It looks like he thought she was a young, attractive reporter who made advances towards him and he thought he was on to a good thing, then Borat runs in and screams that she's 'only 15'. The actor is 24, it would be hard to believe a 24 year old is really 15.