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Brendan Bendar · 13-08-2020 05:57PM

Bowie wrote: »

It's all attack and amateur hour psychology, no discussion.

EDIT:

I take that back. We'd two lads talking about drinking larger yesterday.

“LARGER”. What kind of drink is that, a chara.

Never come across it.

McMurphy · 13-08-2020 06:17PM

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

“LARGER”. What kind of drink is that, a chara.

Never come across it.

I don't think you're supposed to do that with it Brendan, you're only meant to drink it lad.

Brendan Bendar · 13-08-2020 06:24PM

McMurphy wrote: »

I don't think you're supposed to do that with it Brendan, you're only meant to drink it lad.

Never drank any beverage described as ‘Larger’ a chara.

FrancieBrady · 13-08-2020 06:27PM

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Never drank any beverage described as ‘Larger’ a chara.

The partner had a glass of beer in the pub, I prefer a larger lager myself.

Brendan Bendar · 13-08-2020 06:44PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The partner had a glass of beer in the pub, I prefer a larger lager myself.

Good lad Francie, tankard of ‘London Pride’ was it .

FrancieBrady · 13-08-2020 06:46PM

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Good lad Francie, tankard of ‘London Pride’ was it .

None of that dishwater, nice German one

Scoondal · 13-08-2020 09:18PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The partner had a glass of beer in the pub, I prefer a larger lager myself.

Ignore them.
They can't play the ball so they bring down the player.
Typical of the less skilled.

markodaly · 13-08-2020 11:54PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The Fake News here is that the tweet was in anyway fake. The tweet may not have had all the detail...

Thank you for siding with me.

https://www.webwise.ie/teachers/what-is-fake-news/

Lots of things you read online especially in your social media feeds may appear to be true, often is not. False information is news, stories or hoaxes created to deliberately misinform or deceive readers. Usually, these stories are created to either influence people’s views, push a political agenda or cause confusion

As I will repeat, the tweet itself was very misleading as it the fact is, the 'ban' was not lifted for those effected by Covid-19.

markodaly · 13-08-2020 11:58PM

Bowie wrote: »

There was a ban on all evictions and raising of rent.
That is no more. It has been lifted. 100% accurate.

Apart from the little fact that one cannot evict all, which of course is the issue.

There are still protections for people affected by Covid-19, so the ban on all evictions has not been lifted.

I see you are not very good at this.

https://consequently.org/news/2019/teaching-logical-methods/

James Brown · 14-08-2020 12:01AM

markodaly wrote: »

Thank you for siding with me.

https://www.webwise.ie/teachers/what-is-fake-news/

As I will repeat, the tweet itself was very misleading as it the fact is, the 'ban' was not lifted for those effected by Covid-19.

Certainly was. The ban is lifted. Some can avail of similar protections if they can prove they meet the criteria.

James Brown · 14-08-2020 12:05AM

markodaly wrote: »

Apart from the little fact that one cannot evict all, which of course is the issue.

There are still protections for people affected by Covid-19, so the ban on all evictions has not been lifted.

I see you are not very good at this.

https://consequently.org/news/2019/teaching-logical-methods/

I see you bull****ted and back tracked. You went from 'fake news' to 'misleading'.

You would rather shut a discussion down by calling people liars than debate it.

markodaly · 14-08-2020 12:32AM

Bowie wrote: »

I see you bull****ted and back tracked. You went from 'fake news' to 'misleading'.

You would rather shut a discussion down by calling people liars than debate it.

Em, I just posted a link from Website, who are:

Webwise is the Irish Internet Safety Awareness Centre which is co-funded by the Department of Education and Skills and is co-financed by the European Union’s Connecting Europe Facility.

They had a fairly decent explanation on what is Fake News

https://www.webwise.ie/teachers/what-is-fake-news/

Lots of things you read online especially in your social media feeds may appear to be true, often is not. False information is news, stories or hoaxes created to deliberately misinform or deceive readers. Usually, these stories are created to either influence people’s views, push a political agenda or cause confusion

In other words, misleading information posted online falls under the term 'fake news'.

You replied to this post, but I guess you a) didn't read the pertinent bits of the post or b) don't understand the pertinent bits. c) don't care

Please enlighten yourself and take a few minutes to read the page I posted. It will clarify the matter for you.

JohnnyFlash · 14-08-2020 12:32AM

I'd say you should agree on a Current Affairs Subbuteo 0-0 draw. Next meeting to be arranged when Leo or Mary Lou post a tweet that nobody actually cares about.

This global recession coming up is going to be a bad one, isn't it? And then we have this GPT-3 thing coming along. And I'd buy Microsoft shares if there's any truth to the rumours they are going to deliver a 4-fold improvement on that by eoy.

James Brown · 14-08-2020 01:29AM

Oh 'blanket'...so thats were I got it.

The Government introduced a blanket ban on evictions and rent increases in response to the Covid-19 crisis in March, which is now due to end on Saturday or August 1st.

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/lifting-of-full-ban-on-evictions-and-rent-increases-approved-1012588.html

Both the government and I say its over.
Now some people, who meet the new criteria, can avail of similar safe guards.

Again, we are all in this together, but they really mean it for landlords...

However, Tipperary TD Mattie McGrath defended the rights of landlords, saying some tenants have abused their neighbours and engaged in drug-dealing during the eviction ban:

“We have situations were landlords have been tormented by tenants, causing huge levels of antisocial behaviour, throwing parties, drug dealing, tormenting and abusing the neighbours, and indeed theft.

That team sure like sticking it to societal groups. Tenants, sure half of them are only pretending they can't afford to buy...or something.

Shefwedfan · 14-08-2020 06:17AM

Bowie wrote: »

Oh 'blanket'...so thats were I got it.

Both the government and I say its over.
Now some people, who meet the new criteria, can avail of similar safe guards.

Again, we are all in this together, but they really mean it for landlords...

That team sure like sticking it to societal groups. Tenants, sure half of them are only pretending they can't afford to buy...or something.

Yes that is exactly what they are doing.....

dundalkfc10 · 14-08-2020 07:06AM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Yes that is exactly what they are doing.....

Early shift today for you

James Brown · 14-08-2020 12:43PM

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Early shift today for you

Rather than discussing the implications it's always going for the shut down.

If a landlord moves to evict you or raises the rent what do you do to prove you've been affected financially by covid and who do you go to about it? Will the turn around be quicker than the bailiffs turning up? Will it be quicker than the next rent due date? I've no idea.

14-08-2020 01:05PM

Bowie wrote: »

I see you bull****ted and back tracked. You went from 'fake news' to 'misleading'.

You would rather shut a discussion down by calling people liars than debate it.

Its lunacy.....whole country raging over that eviction yesterday in dublin

That lad screaming fake news,when people point out evictions happening

James Brown · 14-08-2020 01:12PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Its lunacy.....whole country raging over that eviction yesterday in dublin

That lad screaming fake news,when people point out evictions happening

The way to tackle it would have been, 'yes, but those same assists are still available for some people....'. Instead you get 'fake news' and people called liars etc. It's not debate or discussion. They've practically closed down the thread talking about drinking cans and the like. No intervention. There was a time if you called someone a liar you had to back it up or get sanctioned, same for going way off topic to derail.

There are going to be major issues resulting in the number of homeless rising and the tax payer paying the bill, but that money will find a way into the pockets of private landlords so it's all good.

14-08-2020 01:14PM

Bowie wrote: »

The way to tackle it would have been, 'yes, but those same assists are still available for some people....'. Instead you get 'fake news' and people called liars etc. It's not debate or discussion. They've practically closed down the thread talking about drinking cans and the like. No intervention. There was a time if you called someone a liar you had to back it up or get sanctioned, same for going way off topic to derail.

How someone could expect people to fall for there no evictions in ireland line,when it was 1st thing on the news/news sites last night is mind boggling

James Brown · 14-08-2020 01:16PM

Deleted User wrote: »

How someone could expect people to fall for there no evictions in ireland line,when it was 1st thing on the news/news sites last night is mind boggling

Once the Air B and B's get back up and running we'll be paying for a lot of new homeless.

Shefwedfan · 14-08-2020 03:57PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Its lunacy.....whole country raging over that eviction yesterday in dublin

That lad screaming fake news,when people point out evictions happening

Good on them, more should be thrown out

Dog eat dog world

I did see the ones that got thrown out at least they left them with face masks.

Safety first!!! We are all in this together

Shefwedfan · 14-08-2020 03:59PM

Bowie wrote: »

Rather than discussing the implications it's always going for the shut down.

If a landlord moves to evict you or raises the rent what do you do to prove you've been affected financially by covid and who do you go to about it? Will the turn around be quicker than the bailiffs turning up? Will it be quicker than the next rent due date? I've no idea.

I agree, You have no idea.

is_that_so · 14-08-2020 04:01PM

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Really?

What kind of people do you know would "prefer" this arrangement?

Would you at any point in your life have chosen co-living over say, a shared house?

Anyone peddling co-living as a positive option to anyone not in on-campus or near-campus student accommodation is delusional.

Co-living as "part of the overall solution" is just a nicer way of saying "developers, REITs and their enablers are greedy as hell and don't give a flying f**k about solving the housing issue in our cities."

State-/LA-owned social housing is a part of the solution as well, funny how it has slipped down the list though in recent years.

I've done co-living, the attraction was cost. It was fine for the time I did it then you move on to another way of living. I've done the shared house too, can be an absolute nightmare and was on one occasion.

James Brown · 14-08-2020 04:14PM

is_that_so wrote: »

I've done co-living, the attraction was cost. It was fine for the time I did it then you move on to another way of living. I've done the shared house too, can be an absolute nightmare and was on one occasion.

The problem is once we open the door these stop gaps will become the norm.
There was a time emergency accommodation was one or two families for a week or so.
There also was a time the tax payer only bought housing to use as social as an emergency stop gap measure.
All of the above are now the norm.

When shared living moves up the income grades as the only option working people/families can afford, it'll be too late.

Although we've more homeless children now, (with the exceptions due to covid) than we did back in the slum days I don't think a return to shared living is the answer.

is_that_so · 14-08-2020 04:18PM

Bowie wrote: »

The problem is once we open the door these stop gaps will become the norm.
There was a time emergency accommodation was one or two families for a week or so.
There also was a time the tax payer only bought housing to use as social as an emergency stop gap measure.
All of the above are now the norm.

When shared living moves up the income grades as the only option working people/families can afford, it'll be too late.

Although we've more homeless children than we did back in the slum days I don't think a return to shared living is the answer.

I actually see it as another quite small segment, not a stopgap. There are people who will embrace it but it's really not a family living set-up nor is it meant to be. If the LA/mass housing builds were going on we wouldn't hear about this. Into that vacuum this kind of thing suddenly becomes a "policy".

James Brown · 14-08-2020 04:29PM

is_that_so wrote: »

I actually see it as another quite small segment, not a stopgap. There are people who will embrace it but it's really not a family living set-up nor is it meant to be. If the LA/mass housing builds were going on we wouldn't hear about this. Into that vacuum this kind of thing suddenly becomes a "policy".

I know a lot of people got hit when the new restrictions came in and all the bedsits went. I would not like to be forced into a shared living situation, been there done that but at least you got to vet the co-habitants.
The thing is once this kind of thing is there, it lessens the incentive on building or making available anything better.
Councils traditionally had a shortage of single person dwellings, which is where bedsits and the like filled the gap.

Shefwedfan · 14-08-2020 04:51PM

Bowie wrote: »

The problem is once we open the door these stop gaps will become the norm.
There was a time emergency accommodation was one or two families for a week or so.
There also was a time the tax payer only bought housing to use as social as an emergency stop gap measure.
All of the above are now the norm.

When shared living moves up the income grades as the only option working people/families can afford, it'll be too late.

Although we've more homeless children now, (with the exceptions due to covid) than we did back in the slum days I don't think a return to shared living is the answer.

So if SF come out tomorrow and say they fully support co-living you will go against them?

McMurphy · 14-08-2020 05:02PM

FF TD @lawlessj says it would be "helpful" if Leo Varadkar "refrained from commenting" on matters unrelated to his brief.

"If everybody could confine themselves to their own departments it would be helpful."

Also says Simon Harris should stop commenting on health issues.

https://twitter.com/oconnellhugh/status/1294227529251856387?s=19

Someone telling Leo to STFU......That'll go down well among the FG zealots.

Brendan Bendar · 14-08-2020 05:04PM

Lawless..........? ..... never heard of him

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