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efanton · 12-08-2020 5:11am

I asked

In fact you need not have to look long where some members here accuse those who might have voted SF of supporting terrorism and murder. Are these not equally vile and detestable insults and slurs?

markodaly wrote: »

The excuse of 'sure everyone does it' is not an excuse.
First of all you provided no proof of this and secondly two wrongs don't make a right.

SF especially seems to have an aggressive bullying element within them, and are very vocal online especially on social media.

Absolutely not, when you have guys like Dessie Ellis in the party and running for a TD, then the accusations are 100% fair game.
Dont know who he is?

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/top-sinn-fein-man-dessie-ellis-linked-to-50-deaths-29009506.html

Yes, you should so please back up your first point with some facts please.

Find us say, a Green member who was caught abusing other TD's and local business people via Twitter. You can start there and work your way out.

So it is your contention that anyone who votes or supports SF is fully supportive of the terrorism and murder?

Including myself?

Bishop of hope · 12-08-2020 7:24am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Was this not sent in as a whatsapp group message??

Like everything on internet eventually finding its way to a bigger audience?

This is a major problem for political party's now, social media.
Every member of every party has a public voice, and the vitriol is inclined to seep out.
The campaign to see which party is worst is underway.
Fair cop if someone is caught using their own account, it shows their true beliefs and highlights their weakness for all to see, but using pseudonyms and false accounts, hiding your true identity so you can release your vitriol and insult all round you willy nilly is taking it to another level.

McMurphy · 12-08-2020 7:34am

Bishop of hope wrote: »

This is a major problem for political party's now, social media.
Every member of every party has a public voice, and the vitriol is inclined to seep out.
The campaign to see which party is worst is underway.
Fair cop if someone is caught using their own account, it shows their true beliefs and highlights their weakness for all to see, but using pseudonyms and false accounts, hiding your true identity so you can release your vitriol and insult all round you willy nilly is taking it to another level.

Varadkar 'suggested creating anonymous accounts online to make positive comments on news'

Equally true if you're blowing your own trumpet.

You'd have to wonder if any of them ever made their way on to boards.ie.

Bishop of hope · 12-08-2020 7:38am

efanton wrote: »

I asked

So it is your contention that anyone who votes or supports SF is fully supportive of the terrorism and murder?

Including myself?

Thats is a valid contention to make.
New SF has members that still throw out the up the RA and tiochaidh ar lá salutes.
Whatever you make of the IRA campaign, it did involve murder and terrorism and SF are still supportive of that campaign.
Of course our two other main party's are founded from the same sort of campaign, but that was a hundred years ago, so they're now pure.

and so are their voters

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Edgware · 12-08-2020 9:22am

Bishop of hope wrote: »

Thats is a valid contention to make.
New SF has members that still throw out the up the RA and tiochaidh ar lá salutes.
Whatever you make of the IRA campaign, it did involve murder and terrorism and SF are still supportive of that campaign.
Of course our two other main party's are founded from the same sort of campaign, but that was a hundred years ago, so they're now pure. and so are their voters .

So are you saying we should all live to the standards of 100 years ago with no concept of democracy and accountability.
Why not start sending kids up chimneys to clean them and bring back childhood deaths while we are at it

FrancieBrady · 12-08-2020 9:37am

Edgware wrote: »

So are you saying we should all live to the standards of 100 years ago with no concept of democracy and accountability.
Why not start sending kids up chimneys to clean them and bring back childhood deaths while we are at it

What was democratic about gerrymandering, lack of proper housing and education because you happened to be a catholic edge?

What was democratic about shooting people who protested the lack of the above dead in the street and spending your military might making sure that 'democratic system stayed in place?

Edgware · 12-08-2020 10:15am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

What was democratic about gerrymandering, lack of proper housing and education because you happened to be a catholic edge?

What was democratic about shooting people who protested the lack of the above dead in the street and spending your military might making sure that 'democratic system stayed in place?

Thats the difference between 1920 and 2020

Limpy · 12-08-2020 10:18am

Who care's about house or apartments, where did Leo buy his shoes?.

FrancieBrady · 12-08-2020 10:25am

Edgware wrote: »

Thats the difference between 1920 and 2020

What?

James Brown · 12-08-2020 11:22am

Bishop of hope wrote: »

Thats is a valid contention to make.
New SF has members that still throw out the up the RA and tiochaidh ar lá salutes.
Whatever you make of the IRA campaign, it did involve murder and terrorism and SF are still supportive of that campaign.
Of course our two other main party's are founded from the same sort of campaign, but that was a hundred years ago, so they're now pure. and so are their voters .

Are they the same IRA ceased violence, signed up to peace and politics and have former members active in democratic politics? Or do we skip that part and go from the last bombing campaign to 2020? Not very honest is it?
Then of course we've people like yourself and FF/FG who will pat themselves on the back for their part in this peace, take awards, but piss on it for a sly dig if criticised on their polices today.
Some of us vote based on changes we'd like to see made and will vote for whoever looks to bring them. Party loyalty for party loyalty sake is a nonsense.

FYI: I'd suggest all the votes FG lost had to go somewhere.

Bishop of hope · 12-08-2020 11:33am

Methinks I was taken too seriously!

James Brown · 12-08-2020 11:42am

Bishop of hope wrote: »

Methinks I was taken too seriously!

I got that your tone was humourous but your point is a commonly used one. FF/FG get criticised, wheel in the IRA ad nauseam.

James Brown · 12-08-2020 11:48am

This could be good...

Employers will be entitled to a financial incentive of €3,000 to take on apprentices under a new scheme to be announced today.

Minister for Higher Education and Innovation Simon Harris wants to expand the model to include more sectors of the economy as it recovers from the impact of the Covid-19 pandemic.

If the employee gets set towards a trade it might work out. Earlier models open to abuse by employers if the money is contingent on official training they'll get something out of our taxes.

dundalkfc10 · 12-08-2020 12:15pm

https://twitter.com/berkieahern2/status/1293305445046784002?s=19

Sexual Predators Welcome FFG

James Brown · 12-08-2020 2:12pm

I did find that it's tough to find this sort of thing associated with Fine Gael. Oh, it's out there, but it doesn't make top story on RTE or get several days of running opinion pieces in the Irish Times, especially around election time. That's not a conspiracy theory. It's facts. Supposing why might be considered 'conspiracy' theory.

Shefwedfan · 12-08-2020 2:26pm

McMurphy wrote: »

Varadkar 'suggested creating anonymous accounts online to make positive comments on news'

Equally true if you're blowing your own trumpet.

You'd have to wonder if any of them ever made their way on to boards.ie.

Difference is he suggested it...cue outrage

Sinn Fein are actually doing it, don’t see you outraged about that?

You do have to wonder if they made it onto boards....

markodaly · 12-08-2020 2:28pm

efanton wrote: »

So it is your contention that anyone who votes or supports SF is fully supportive of the terrorism and murder?

Including myself?

Fully support of terrorism and murder? It depends of course. Many of the usual suspects that defend SF to the hilt come what may fit that profile, of course, I cannot read into the hearts of minds of all their voters.

I would say most people even realise it what SF is really all about underneath it all, but they will learn soon enough.

So, at best the are ignorant, at worst they support terrorists and murder.

BonnieSituation · 12-08-2020 2:29pm

Criticism of housing policy >>>>>>>> cue pile on to SF and those who do not support the government in everything they do.

Shefwedfan · 12-08-2020 2:30pm

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Criticism of housing policy >>>>>>>> cue pile on to SF and those who do not support the government in everything they do.

You still lost in Los Angles? Or you back in the land of Eire yet? :-)

markodaly · 12-08-2020 2:31pm

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/berkieahern2/status/1293305445046784002?s=19

Sexual Predators Welcome FFG

Whats this.... some SF bot (look at this profile) tweets out an article about some FG candidate about an incident that happened 10 years.....
Oh, yes, lets talk about THAT but ignore what happened over the last few days.

Co-ordinated and tactical.

BonnieSituation · 12-08-2020 2:33pm

markodaly wrote: »

Fully support of terrorism and murder? It depends of course. Many of the usual suspects that defend SF to the hilt come what may fit that profile, of course, I cannot read into the hearts of minds of all their voters.

I would say most people even realise it what SF is really all about underneath it all, but they will learn soon enough.

So, at best the are ignorant, at worst they support terrorists and murder.

The only "defenders to the hilt" on here are FF and FG sycophants.

I'm a former member of FG and I have only ever given 2 preferences to SF (2011 Prez, 2020 GE) in my life, and I would rather stab myself in the face with a fork than ever vote for FF or the like of PBP/Sol etc, but the absolute derangement towards SF and anyone who may have had the temerity to vote for them is unhealthy in here.

Especially in a thread about the Govt.

BonnieSituation · 12-08-2020 2:36pm

Shefwedfan wrote: »

You still lost in Los Angles? Or you back in the land of Eire yet? :-)

Poor angle [sic].

Honestly Shef, why do you bother?

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Do you still not know what "LA housing" is or would refer to - especially in the context of the post to which you are referring? Or are you hiding your ignorance behind snark as usual?

It's okay to learn new things everyday. Even new acronyms.

Shefwedfan · 12-08-2020 2:53pm

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Poor angle [sic].

Honestly Shef, why do you bother?

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Do you still not know what "LA housing" is or would refer to - especially in the context of the post to which you are referring? Or are you hiding your ignorance behind snark as usual?

It's okay to learn new things everyday. Even new acronyms.

LA housing, houses in Los Angles....am I wrong?

Shefwedfan · 12-08-2020 2:55pm

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/berkieahern2/status/1293305445046784002?s=19

Sexual Predators Welcome FFG

Yes because Sinn Fein really want to bring up sexual predators....

McMurphy · 12-08-2020 2:57pm

Shefwedfan wrote: »

LA housing, houses in Los Angles....am I wrong?

People come into threads about Irish govt and talk about housing in Los Angeles USA all the time.

Easy mistake to make I suppose.

/End sarcasm.

BonnieSituation · 12-08-2020 3:01pm

Shefwedfan wrote: »

LA housing, houses in Los Angles....am I wrong?

Your angle on this is very wrong.

That you could even construe it as possibly meaning "Los Angeles" given the context in which the post was made and the content of the post is worrying, though not surprising. It's also worrying that myself and others have used "LA" in posts about housing repeatedly over the course of many pages on this thread and you still haven't picked up on it.

If you don't understand something so fundamental in the housing sphere like an oft-used acronym like "LA", then I would have to assume that you're not exactly on the ball when it comes to Irish politics or discussion of same.

I guess there was no way you could shoehorn a snarky comment about Sinn Féin into your snarky reply.

However, you derailed any discussion on the abomination of co-living so I guess your goal was achieved. Medals all 'round on Mount St for Shef.

Shefwedfan · 12-08-2020 3:02pm

McMurphy wrote: »

People come into threads about Irish govt and talk about housing in Los Angeles USA all the time.

Easy mistake to make I suppose.

/End sarcasm.

All sorts of c**p get dragged up on this thread by a few, Los Angles housing would be probably one of the more sane topics :-)

BonnieSituation · 12-08-2020 3:03pm

Shefwedfan wrote: »

All sorts of c**p get dragged up on this thread by a few, Los Angles housing would be probably one of the more sane topics :-)

Dig up Shef.

Shefwedfan · 12-08-2020 3:05pm

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Your angle on this is very wrong.

That you could even construe it as possibly meaning "Los Angeles" given the context in which the post was made and the content of the post is worrying, though not surprising. It's also worrying that myself and others have used "LA" in posts about housing repeatedly over the course of many pages on this thread and you still haven't picked up on it.

If you don't understand something so fundamental in the housing sphere like an oft-used acronym like "LA", then I would have to assume that you're not exactly on the ball when it comes to Irish politics or discussion of same.

I guess there was no way you could shoehorn a snarky comment about Sinn Féin into your snarky reply.

However, you derailed any discussion on the abomination of co-living so I guess your goal was achieved. Medals all 'round on Mount St for Shef.

So your the minister for housing now with an in-depth knowledge?

Doesn’t look too bad to me
https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.joe.ie/amp/life-style/co-living-coming-dublin-heres-exactly-means-612981

BonnieSituation · 12-08-2020 3:10pm

Shefwedfan wrote: »

So your the minister for housing now with an in-depth knowledge?

Doesn’t look too bad to me
https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.joe.ie/amp/life-style/co-living-coming-dublin-heres-exactly-means-612981

Where did I say I am the minister? Do I have to be minister to either discuss or have an "in-depth knowledge" of this?

Don't get too bogged down on the latest tangent you've decided to run down as a distraction from your acute lack of knowledge

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You still don't know what "LA" means in the housing context and you're sending me links to joe.ie about co-living and accusing me of not knowing what I'm talking about?

"Doesn't look to bad too me!"- of course it doesn't, you'll never have to live in one.

Same way that "National Service is a great idea", for everyone who will never have to do it.

As I said Shef, dig up, you're in over your head here.

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