FG to just do nothing for the next 5 years.

smurgen · 02-08-2020 12:37pm

As I suspected Leo and FG seem to be more of a Dublin phenomena. Don't know anyone fond of them in my circles really.

https://twitter.com/EOBroin/status/1289881108973326336?s=09

FrancieBrady · 02-08-2020 12:39pm

Bowie wrote: »

Surely less for Leo would benefit FG?

Trailing SF in the latest poll. Leo's arrogance leads to their lead being wiped out.

Is it time to lock Leo away like Enda and Simon and Eoghan were when they were damaging the image?

smurgen · 02-08-2020 12:43pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Trailing SF in the latest poll. Leo's arrogance leads to their lead being wiped out.

Is it time to lock Leo away like Enda and Simon and Eoghan were when they were damaging the image?

If Coveney took over I could genuinely warm to FG. He is less annoying and sniveling and seems a more serious politician. He actually addresses issues instead of trading stupid insults. I find Leo's juvenile mud slinging is really getting in the way of serious debate but that's probably by design.

James Brown · 02-08-2020 12:43pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Trailing SF in the latest poll. Leo's arrogance leads to their lead being wiped out.

Is it time to lock Leo away like Enda and Simon and Eoghan were when they were damaging the image?

Ah sure we'll be hearing how meaningless polls are soon and how elections are the only polls that count....maybe not

McMurphy · 02-08-2020 12:45pm

smurgen wrote: »

As I suspected Leo and FG seem to be more of a Dublin phenomena. Don't know anyone fond of them in my circles really.

https://twitter.com/EOBroin/status/1289881108973326336?s=09

Someone will be along soon to remind us opinion polls are meaningless, despite holding up Leo's approval ratings like they were the holy scriptures for the past few weeks.

Just wait.

02-08-2020 1:44pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

So, it’s ok in your eyes for a TD appointed at random as Teller for votes, refusing to sign result of vote because they don’t agree with said result? Yesman indeed!

Havnt said,nor alluded to this....your imagination is running wild

During the heated debate Rise TD Paul Murphy and People Before Profit TD Richard Boyd Barrett repeatedly refused to resume their seats. The House was suspended twice in the chaos and disorder.

‘Marginalise’

Mr Murphy said the changes were an attempt to marginalise smaller parties in a bid by Government to dominate parliamentary debate and procedures.

But Mr O’Sullivan said “the system that was put in place doesn’t suit a minority”.

“They still have as far as I can see about 65 per cent or 70 per cent of speaking time.”

“Because they didn’t get their way they chose to behave like a pack of rowdy undergraduates.”

“We had the travesty last night of a person appointed a teller for a vote refusing to sign the result of the vote because it didn’t suit him,” he said in reference to Mr Murphy’s failure to sign.”

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/ff-senator-describes-left-wing-tds-at-centre-of-d%C3%A1il-uproar-as-rowdy-undergraduates-1.4318690

And yet.....the government have shut down the discussion by relegated opposition voices to last,thus denying them the right of reply and silencing them and their constituents.....its effectively legalised silencing of anyone who dare vote for anybody other than FFG......this along with complient media.....sees any/all opposition here effecrively banned from airwaves...why is that??

02-08-2020 2:08pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Havnt said,nor alluded to this....your imagination is running wild

And yet.....the government have shut down the discussion by relegated opposition voices to last,thus denying them the right of reply and silencing them and their constituents.....its effectively legalised silencing of anyone who dare vote for anybody other than FFG......this along with complient media.....sees any/all opposition here effecrively banned from airwaves...why is that??

But, you seem to have missed the bits that say that the opposition have up to 75% of talking time!! How is that shutting down discussion?

02-08-2020 2:13pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

But, you seem to have missed the bits that say that the opposition have up to 75% of talking time!!

Except.they havnt...they have x amoumt of time....most of it,which occurs after media withdrawn and government tds have left.....deosnt ceann comhairle usually curtail talking time after 9pm??

How is that shutting down discussion?

They are banning the opposition from the discussion until.after the government TDs....thus denying opposition and their constritunets the right of reply and effectively legalised silencing of any/all people who dare vote anyone but FFG

You do understand how denying right of reply shuts down a discussion.....why do FFG want all oppostion silenced?

James Brown · 02-08-2020 2:48pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Coveney is a class act....its awesome watch fg bootboys blindly cheer on leo....when coveney got 60 something% in the leadership election

Almost cultlike,in their devotion to running roughshod over democracy in supporting varadkar over coveney and contrary to the FG membership

I'd consider giving FG a nod again if they ditched the clowns and stuck to something over and above smart arsery. They would have fared better under Coveney.

satguy · 02-08-2020 3:57pm

Extra pay, extra state cars, extra Garda drivers, extra ministerial positions, and just like Napoleon had back in the day, a young soldier pulled from the ranks to keep the tent clean and turn down the bed.

You can see the scowls on the FF backbenchers from here, while Micheál Martin is parading around with a big beaming smile, the groans from the rest of FF are getting audible.

As for the greens, their finished,, people will never vote for them again, we gave the Greens our spare votes so that they might hold some balance of power and do some good. But they just used those votes to put FG and FF back in power.. 0 seats at next GE.

FG have just done what FG do best, look after themselfs, and their business and banking buddies. Also do a tacit deal with RTE and the Sindo not to shine a light to closely.

Other then that, it's been a fun 5 weeks.

Brendan Bendar · 02-08-2020 4:13pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Havnt said,nor alluded to this....your imagination is running wild

And yet.....the government have shut down the discussion by relegated opposition voices to last,thus denying them the right of reply and silencing them and their constituents.....its effectively legalised silencing of anyone who dare vote for anybody other than FFG......this along with complient media.....sees any/all opposition here effecrively banned from airwaves...why is that??

No idea...maybe because it’s not true.

02-08-2020 4:27pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Except it is....but sure try shut down debate all yous want mate,......why have governent shut down debate in the dail....why are people (all ffg supporters) now opwnly demanding opposition almagamte or not be allowed speaking time??

Debate hasn’t been shut down. Maybe if the TDs who walked out used their allocated time more productively they wouldn’t need more time? Who’s demanding opposition amalgamation?

Brendan Bendar · 02-08-2020 4:29pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Are you saying that Paul Murphy, Richard Barrett and various other lefties, both independents and party members, don’t get plenty airtime?
They all seem to have similar aims, so why don’t they get together and form one large group that would guarantee them more speaking time.

Mary, please don’t give them ideas, I hear enough of Boyd Barret, Murphy, Mick Barry , Brid Smith to last me a lifetime.

What support have they 1%?

Next you’ll hear is Nationalise Aer Lingus and let the Govt take the hit.

02-08-2020 5:13pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Except it is....the government are banning all discussion until.they are finished and thus denying right of reply for anyone who dare vote for someone other than them.....im pretty sure this is my 5th time explaining this to you....kinda starting to seem like sealioning now

Yous yesterday for one??

https://touch.boards.ie/thread/2058053608/801

The government only gets 25% of speaking time. SF and the rest get 75% between them. Not exactly fair distribution when the larger parties get less speaking time per TD compared to the rest.

So, one anonymous poster suggesting on an Internet forum that the parties of the left should join together constitutes “ people (all ffg supporters) now opwnly demanding opposition almagamte or not be allowed speaking time??”??

Muahahaha · 02-08-2020 5:46pm

Bowie wrote: »

I'd consider giving FG a nod again if they ditched the clowns and stuck to something over and above smart arsery. They would have fared better under Coveney.

Fundamental error for them not allowing the party membership to have a democratic say. Membership correctly plumped for Coveney but as their votes dont count for much the parliamentary party installed Leo instead. There is such as thing as the 'Wisdom of Crowds' but Fine Gael dont go in for listening to their membership so they ended up with Leo who has led them to their second worst election result in their history. Only Baldy Noonan can trump Leos disastrous election.

McMurphy wrote: »

Someone will be along soon to remind us opinion polls are meaningless, despite holding up Leo's approval ratings like they were the holy scriptures for the past few weeks.

Just wait.

O'Broin has a good point there. Zoom in on that image and drill down into the data and you see that SF still lead FG in the 18-55+ age group and then are level on them with ABC1 voters while well ahead in DCEF. The Sinn Fein vote is balanced across age groups and peoples economic status. The ABC1 category contains everything from small business owners to senior and middle managers, it should be a sphere where FG are dominant over SF but they are not. Voters in this category are equally as likely to vote SF as they are FG.

Edgware · 02-08-2020 5:53pm

But Sinn Fein are in favour of the new Dail speaking rules and to **** with the smaller parties. That will be a lesson for them and signals Sinn Feins intention to wipe them out. Dont feed the crocodile

McMurphy · 02-08-2020 6:07pm

Edgware wrote: »

But Sinn Fein are in favour of the new Dail speaking rules and to **** with the smaller parties. That will be a lesson for them and signals Sinn Feins intention to wipe them out. Dont feed the crocodile

This will prove to be a fairly difficult conundrum for some - especially for the likes of say those who tell us they vote green.

I haven't been keeping up with this speaking rights thing, but if the shinners do indeed support it, how will some (aforementioned posters) square that circle, I mean going by their posting history, if the shinners support it, they will have to oppose it by default, but that would mean they would have to oppose something fg support too.

Their head may very well be in danger of falling off tbh.

markodaly · 02-08-2020 6:22pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Trailing SF in the latest poll. Leo's arrogance leads to their lead being wiped out.

Is it time to lock Leo away like Enda and Simon and Eoghan were when they were damaging the image?

This is a different poll as each polling company have a different methodology.
The last B&A poll had FG at 20% and they are now at 29%.

But I still see you have a fetish for locking up Leo.

markodaly · 02-08-2020 6:23pm

satguy wrote: »

Extra pay, extra state cars, extra Garda drivers, extra ministerial positions, and just like Napoleon had back in the day, a young soldier pulled from the ranks to keep the tent clean and turn down the bed.

You can see the scowls on the FF backbenchers from here, while Micheál Martin is parading around with a big beaming smile, the groans from the rest of FF are getting audible.

Em, again, you voted for FF in the last GE.

James Brown · 02-08-2020 6:25pm

markodaly wrote: »

This is a different poll as each polling company have a different methodology.
The last B&A poll had FG at 20% and they are now at 29%.

But I still see you have a fetish for locking up Leo.

TBF, it's a FG thread and Leo has a pretty big role in FG.

markodaly · 02-08-2020 6:33pm

Bowie wrote: »

TBF, it's a FG thread and Leo has a pretty big role in FG.

But locking him up?
Is there some sexual innuendo going on here?

To be honest, I am still quite puzzled by the fascination of Leo, still even though he is not Taoiseach anymore.

There is no single thread on FF for example or MM, even though FF are the biggest party in the state, yet its FG this, Leo that....

Obsession is not just an after shave.

What is does show is that SF see FG as the main threat and FF not.

JohnnyFlash · 02-08-2020 6:35pm

Looks like a lot of the pilgrims around here didn’t look at the figures behind the poll. Not detail orientated perhaps.

FG are up 8 on the last poll, and up a dramatic 15% amongst voters in Dublin.
SF are down 5%, and are down a dramatic 13% amongst the 18-34 electorate. FG are up 13% amongst that grouping.

Leo V is also the most popular leader.

All rosy in Camp FG at the moment.

James Brown · 02-08-2020 6:43pm

markodaly wrote: »

But locking him up?
Is there some sexual innuendo going on here?

To be honest, I am still quite puzzled by the fascination of Leo, still even though he is not Taoiseach anymore.

There is no single thread on FF for example or MM, even though FF are the biggest party in the state, yet its FG this, Leo that....

Obsession is not just an after shave.

What is does show is that SF see FG as the main threat and FF not.

You equating locking someone up with sex? Each to their own Marko.
It's like they did with Sio, Flano and wee Eoghan before the election. Hide them from the public in case they put their foot in it.

I wrote off FF years ago. They only come up when they say or do something stupid. FG have a crack team of folk posting here, not so with FF.
The whole coming into a FG thread to tell people not to be posting in a FG thread isn't really a runner. Numerous threads I've no interest in. Going into them to tell people they should have better things to do would be odd.
I'd suggest making every discussion on FG about SF is an obsession.

McMurphy · 02-08-2020 7:05pm

markodaly wrote: »

But locking him up?
Is there some sexual innuendo going on here?

Yes marko, obviously when a poster posts in plain English that leo should be locked away because he's in danger of costing them votes/points in opinion polls, it's sexual innuendo. /Rolleyes emoticon.

Quick - find me something else to be outraged by immediately. :pac:

JohnnyFlash · 02-08-2020 7:14pm

The dude is the most popular leader in the country. Trying to sell the narrative he’s costing FG votes is not working, my friends.

Brendan Bendar · 02-08-2020 7:15pm

Could poor Connor not have got a taxi to that funeral.

Oh.. forgot...he only takes the AIW.......

markodaly · 02-08-2020 7:19pm

McMurphy wrote: »

Yes marko, obviously when a poster posts in plain English that leo should be locked away because he's in danger of costing them votes/points in opinion polls, it's sexual innuendo. /Rolleyes emoticon.

Quick - find me something else to be outraged by immediately. :pac:

Locking up the most popular leader in the country.

Only in some people's eyes that makes sense.

McMurphy · 02-08-2020 7:36pm

markodaly wrote: »

Locking up the most popular leader in the country.

Only in some people's eyes that makes sense.

Locking up the dude very few within his own party wanted to lead, and led them to their second worse election, in their own history, during an economic boom.

Is another way to look at it I suppose.

02-08-2020 7:44pm

Deleted User wrote: »

And yet,you appear to deliberately ignore them shutting down any right of reply to opposition and silencing anyone,who dare not vote for em...how is that??
Why have we now state sponsered censorship of all opposition voices and opiions

That poster,being you,yes......all people/posters ive heard demanded it,have been FFG supporters....cant bear even having opposition about....demand that they algamate or else be silenced...

How on earth do you explain an opposition, who have 75% of speaking time, being censored?

Or how ONE poster (moi) suggesting opposition parties join together as “all people/posters”?

McMurphy · 02-08-2020 7:57pm

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Leo V is also the most popular leader.

All rosy in Camp FG at the moment.

Careful now John, you wouldn't want any posters to see the words "Leo, Camp and Fine Gael" in the one post, and wrongly think you're posting something with a bit of a homophobic tendencies, I've seen shIt like that happen in here, believe it or don't believe it dude.

satguy · 02-08-2020 8:44pm

markodaly wrote: »

Em, again, you voted for FF in the last GE.

Yes I did,,, But never thought for one minute that Leo would be able to trick them into letting him stay on as Taoiseach, and give FG all the top ministerial positions.

And no,, before anyone says MM is Taoiseach,, no he is not, we all know Leo is still really the Taoiseach.

And now has a young soldier helper to prove it.

02-08-2020 9:16pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Ive explained 6 times already....i know when someone playing dumb and taking piss :yawn:

Except ive said all those who suggest this are ffg supporters??....not all people/posters?

Yous may have explained 6 times but yous aren’t making any sense. 75% versus 25%. Yet yous claim that the 75% are being discriminated against! Yawn!

James Brown · 02-08-2020 9:31pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Excpet this isnt what i said

Why have governemt silenced all opposition and removed right of reply.......in what way is this anything other than shutting down debate and silencing opposition??

This really is basic stuff,which given you can work internet...im suspect yous are messing,pretending being unable to grasp or answer a fairly basic qs

Why do ffg supporters demand opposition almagamate or else be silenced??

Likely trying to downplay their partnership with FF. 'Ah sure everyone does it. Its completely natural'.

02-08-2020 9:36pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Excpet this isnt what i said

Why have governemt silenced all opposition and removed right of reply.......in what way is this anything other than shutting down debate and silencing opposition??

This really is basic stuff,which given you can work internet...im suspect yous are messing,pretending being unable to grasp or answer a fairly basic qs

Why do ffg supporters demand opposition almagamate or else be silenced??

Again, please explain why those with 75% of talking time are being discriminated against?
Who (other than myself, speaking in jest) are demanding opposition amalgamate, bearing in mind that the largest opposition party, SF, support the new deal? Your hysteria is getting the better of you. Take a deep breath and look at the facts. 75% versus 25%. Who’s being discriminated against?

Muahahaha · 02-08-2020 9:38pm

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Looks like a lot of the pilgrims around here didn’t look at the figures behind the poll. Not detail orientated perhaps.

FG are up 8 on the last poll, and up a dramatic 15% amongst voters in Dublin.
SF are down 5%, and are down a dramatic 13% amongst the 18-34 electorate. FG are up 13% amongst that grouping.

Not sure what poll you're reading there Johnny but if it is the Sunday Times Behaviour & Attitudes one that was released today and that we have all been discussing this afternoon they you are actually the one who is "not detailed orientated"

Yes Fine Gael are up 8%, from page 6-
Jan 2020 FG 14%
July 2020 FG 22%

But no, SF are not down 5% as per your claim above. They are actually up 12% in the time since the last poll in the same series was undertaken by the Sunday Times back in January. Thats them gone up 12% compared to Fine Gaels 8% over the same time period

Jan 2020 SF 17%.
July 2020 SF 29% (+12%)

And then when undecided voters are excluded it looks like this
FG Jan 2020 20% July 2020 28% (up 8%)
SF Jan 2020 24% July 2020 36% (up 12%)

So no matter whether you take the poll with all respondents or the poll with undecided voters excluded the result is still the same, Fine Gael have gone up 8% but during that time SF have risen 12%. In other words in the last six months Sinn Fein have outpolled Fine Gael by a whopping 50%. Alarm bells should be going off in FG HQ about this trend because FG can take votes off FF all they want but that it is of little use if SF are outpolling them regardless. The trend is your friend

As to how you managed to spin all that into Sinn Fein being down 5% I'm not sure but I can only suggest that you are (in your own words) "not detail orientated". I mean c'mon now Johnny, I thought you Fine Gael lads were playing senior hurling here

It feels to me that its more like an under 9s game that is strewn with schoolboy errors and sloppy hurling.

McMurphy wrote: »

Someone will be along soon to remind us opinion polls are meaningless, despite holding up Leo's approval ratings like they were the holy scriptures for the past few weeks.

Just wait.

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Leo V is also the most popular leader.

All rosy in Camp FG at the moment.

The holy scriptures have arrived :pac:

02-08-2020 9:52pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I have explained this 6 times,spelt it out in my last post....your twisting and diving to avoid amswer ing this....just highlights how yous want to shut down debate

Sinn fein are a joke for supporting this deal,i have no issue saying this....yous beating about the bush to.support shutting down debate amd replt in the dail is all on yous

Why have they shut down debate and right of reply....its fairly simple stuff.....can you each and all qs asked by every td in dail,will be answeres in total before any governwmt td leaves the dail.chamber......or are the voice of those,who dare vote for anyone other than government to be shut down and ignored??

Debate not shut down. End of.

James Brown · 02-08-2020 9:54pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Debate not shut down. End of.

See the irony in that?

02-08-2020 9:56pm

Bowie wrote: »

See the irony in that?

Nope. 75% versus 25% says it all.

02-08-2020 9:56pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Debate not shut down. End of.

Except it is

Its notable ive asked 3 times and instead of answering a rather basic question....you demand the discussion shut down and labeled it over,despite it not being so

02-08-2020 10:00pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Except it is

Its notable ive asked 3 times and instead of answering a rather basic question....you demand the discussion shut down and labeled it over,despite it not being so

Pllleeeassse. Explain to me how one group getting 25% of talking time versus their opposition getting 75% is getting said discussion shut down?? I’m totally perplexed. Yous are not making one ounce of sense!

02-08-2020 10:11pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Ive explained 6 times already

But why not just scram 75% and declare debate over as yous are unwilling to answer a rather simple qs

Irish democracy 2020: FFG shut down debate in the dail

Methinks yous have lost the plot. Irish democracy indeed when those with 75% of speaking time feel that they’ve been discriminated against! Good night.

02-08-2020 10:18pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Methinks yous have lost the plot. Irish democracy indeed when those with 75% of speaking time feel that they’ve been discriminated against! Good night.

Meh....another poor attempt to shut down the debate and a 5th avoidence of a basic qs

Seems like yous dont even belive the line your pushing

James Brown · 02-08-2020 10:28pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Nope. 75% versus 25% says it all.

Don't know what that has to do with Varadkar making a twit of himself the other day but okay.

03-08-2020 9:34am

Bowie wrote: »

Don't know what that has to do with Varadkar making a twit of himself the other day but okay.

He didn’t. The twits were those who refused to take their seats, walked out and, as nominated teller, refused to sign results of a vote.

James Brown · 03-08-2020 11:47am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

He didn’t. The twits were those who refused to take their seats, walked out and, as nominated teller, refused to sign results of a vote.

So what he said was irrelevant because others did something you didnt like. Fair enough.

03-08-2020 12:19pm

Bowie wrote: »

So what he said was irrelevant because others did something you didnt like. Fair enough.

Unless there’s another speech that I’ve not heard, he simply pointed out how much speaking time the opposition actually has.

Podge_irl · 03-08-2020 12:57pm

Muahahaha wrote: »

Fundamental error for them not allowing the party membership to have a democratic say. Membership correctly plumped for Coveney but as their votes dont count for much the parliamentary party installed Leo instead. There is such as thing as the 'Wisdom of Crowds' but Fine Gael dont go in for listening to their membership so they ended up with Leo who has led them to their second worst election result in their history. Only Baldy Noonan can trump Leos disastrous election.

Allowing party membership a vote is not remotely democratic. You would, in essence, have been abrogating the choice of Taoiseach to some arbitrary shadowy subset of citizens who happened to have just paid fees to FG.

The leader of the parliamentary party should be chosen by the elected representatives who make up the parliamentary party.

03-08-2020 1:17pm

Podge_irl wrote: »

Allowing party membership a vote is not remotely democratic. You would, in essence, have been abrogating the choice of Taoiseach to some arbitrary shadowy subset of citizens who happened to have just paid fees to FG.

The leader of the parliamentary party should be chosen by the elected representatives who make up the parliamentary party.

You do know the FG party membership have voting rights on its leadership

Members i know are still smarting over being ignored (though the sh1tshow that is waterford FG is well documented at this stage too)

RandomViewer · 03-08-2020 1:31pm

Humpy Heather putting the big feet in again

https://extra.ie/2020/08/03/news/irish-news/heather-humphreys-musicians

James Brown · 03-08-2020 1:36pm

She comes across as a loud mouth uninformed fool. From passing a letter on behalf of a man already banned from keeping animals to the PUP/SW holiday debacle to this idiocy.
Out of touch but happy to get involved nonetheless.

FG to just do nothing for the next 5 years.

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