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2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2
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I should explain: straw man fallacy "is a form of argument and an informal fallacy of having the impression of refuting an argument, meanwhile the proper idea of argument under discussion was not addressed or properly refuted. One who engages in this fallacy is said to be attacking a straw man." It is not calling the person engaged in the straw man, the straw man.... Which, saying that I called you the straw man, in and of itself is either an honest misunderstanding of what I wrote or... a straw man argument
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
I didn't think this was an Americanism, these are just logical fallacies, of which there are many, the common ones usually referenced here:
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/
Many moons ago I became intimate with the idea of argumentum ad hominem as a fallacy for instance, because I came across it in forms like this:
And I find being aware of the fallacies makes one refine better, more constructive arguments. But yes, my debate style is often to call these fallacies out when I see them - which itself is a fallacy if used as the sole reason to undermine someones otherwise-valid argument
In this case I'm not saying nobody calls Trump a dictator or is dictator-y I'm just saying we hadn't been engaged in that here on this forum, broadly across the internet yeah its been seen. 0 -
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Another hearing on the Hill today this time for Fauci:
I don’t suspect fireworks in this one but if you like following these hearings - I find them to be illuminating0 -
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Another hearing on the Hill today this time for Fauci:
I don’t suspect fireworks in this one but if you like following these hearings - I find them to be illuminating
Reportedly I'm wrong, am starting to watch now :pac:
Rep. Jim Jordan (R-OH) badgered Dr. Anthony Fauci over his opinion on limiting protests amid the pandemic during his hearing before Congress on Friday — prompting Fauci to push back and point out he is not in the position to “determine what the government can do in a forceful way.”
Jordan pressed Fauci regarding the protests and noted that Churches and offices have had to close due to the outbreak — pushing him to reveal if he thinks the government should put an end to the demonstrations.
Fauci responded by explaining that he believes all large gatherings should be limited throughout the pandemic, especially if masks are not being worn, but would not definitively object to protests.
Jordan then asked if the government should limit the protesting, which Fauci pointed out was not in his right to determine — adding, “I’m not in a position to determine what the government can do in a forceful way.”
Jordan began to detail the violence present during certain protests and demonstrations — leading Fauci to scoff and, again, respond by telling the representative he will not reveal his position on limiting protests.
The two continued to clash on Fauci’s position on protests and large gatherings, prompting Fauci to get frustrated with the representative, which eventually resulted in a back-and-forth between them
“So you’re allowed to protest millions of people on one day in crowds yelling, screaming, but you try to run your business and you get arrested and if you stood right outside of that same business and protested you wouldn’t get arrested, you don’t see any inconsistency there?” Jordan asked.
Fauci questioned why Jordan was asking him, a health expert, about who should get arrested and who shouldn’t, pointing out that he does not have the position to make those decisions.
“You’ve advocated for certain businesses — you’ve advocated for certain businesses to be shut down. I’m just asking you on your position on the protest,” Jordan continued. “I haven’t seen one — we’ve heard a lot about hair salons. I haven’t see one hairstylist who between haircuts goes out and attacks police or sets something on fire but we’ve seen all kinds of that stuff during protests and we know the protests actually increase the spread of the virus. You said that.”
“I said crowds. I didn’t say specifically. I didn’t say protests,” Fauci said, prompting Jordan to respond with, “So the protests don’t increase the spread of the virus?”
“I didn’t say that,” Fauci shot back. “You’re putting words in my mouth.”
Fauci continued to say that crowds lead to the spread of the virus, especially when masks are not worn, but reiterated that he would not reveal a specific stance on the protests.0 -
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Biden will choose Kamala Harris as hiw VP, according to Politico
Run down to the Paddy Power now
https://thecanadian.news/2020/07/29/did-politico-accidentally-publish-bidens-vp-pick/0 -
Biden will choose Kamala Harris as hiw VP, according to Politico
Run down to the Paddy Power now
https://thecanadian.news/2020/07/29/did-politico-accidentally-publish-bidens-vp-pick/
I mean, she has an impeccable record doesn't she. I still think she'd make a better AG, having already been a state AG for a number of years, but I can see why that might be a problematic appointment as she's already stumped for Biden etc. and after Barr any AG who is seen as too in-clique with POTUS is going to be viewed dimly.0 -
I'd like Tulsi but we'll see.
In other news - mail-voting tested in Philadelphia.
Results not good.
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I'd like Tulsi but we'll see.
In other news - mail-voting tested in Philadelphia.
Results not good.
Is that the Video that Trump was using as his evidence of "MASSIVE VOTER FRAUD" yesterday??
Yes - It's the same one
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1288616496638255105
That just says that the US Postal Service is a bit crap , it says absolutely nothing about voter fraud or anything remotely like it.
Seems to me that the issues described in the video are fairly easy to solve - Everyone post their ballot at least 10 days before the Election.
Get that message out now.
Of course another solution would be to allocate funding to the postal service to hire more staff - They could even help some people get jobs by giving them temporary work as postal staff for sorting and delivery for the election , same way An Post always hires a load of temp people at Christmas here.
Win win for Trump - Saves Democracy AND lowers Unemployment.
I mean , why wouldn't he do that?
What would be the downside?0 -
Biden will choose Kamala Harris as hiw VP, according to Politico
Run down to the Paddy Power now
https://thecanadian.news/2020/07/29/did-politico-accidentally-publish-bidens-vp-pick/
She is the red hot favourite on PP at 8/11 now, Im surprised they still have the book open as this is the time that leaks get leaked. Its sometimes possible to catch Paddy Power on the hop if political news comes late at night when all their traders are gone home. Had a nice hit on them last year with the timing of the UK General election being leaked while the traders were asleep.This can't be a good sign , 90 odd days out from an Election.
They claim that the new Campaign team want to review things and that they'll be back "stronger than ever calling Biden out as a puppet of the radical left" , but stopping all Online and most TV advertising at this late stage for a "review" screams of a Campaign in utter disarray and free-fall.
I would say there is absolute chaos going on in the background of the Trump campaign at this stage. Them 're-setting' the campaign 90 odd days out from election day shows as much, especially given that Trump has literally been campaigning for re-election for 3.5 years now with his rallies.
Trump is flailing around now looking for something, anything to arrest the slide in his numbers. Im beginning to wonder might he soon hit the nuclear button and we will see Paul Manafort, Roger Stone and Steve Bannon all show up officially on his campaign team. He has to do something, and quickly.0 -
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