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2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2

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  • Registered Users Posts: 81,223 ✭✭✭✭biko


    Who needs the report when we can get the facts straight from you :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 82,154 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    biko wrote: »
    Who needs the report when we can get the facts straight from you :D

    I mean it was reasonably speculative ;) unlike the revolving door of posters over the years who have 'marked their words' that Hillary was looking at jailtime just around every corner, etc.


  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,244 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    biko wrote: »
    Who needs the report when we can get the facts straight from you :D

    To be fair, Barr and everyone around Trump has been hinting and suggesting about an "explosive" Durham report for weeks.

    Barr has refused to commit to not releasing the Durham report in October , so given all that we know about him , he will absolutely release it before the election.

    He will also publish a "summary" in advance of the full report just as he did with the Mueller report to ensure that he sets the narrative that he wants.

    And that narrative isn't going to be "Nothing to see here", and just as with the Mueller report "summary" it will favour the Trump viewpoint over the actual facts.


  • Registered Users Posts: 16,473 ✭✭✭✭y0ssar1an22




    never knew sky news was in aus. interesting take on the upcoming election.

    after about the 40 sec mark i dont see alot wrong with what biden said.

    the words of a president matter. that's pretty bang on.

    and the point about the masks? didn't really get that.

    ETA: this report is from yesterday


  • Registered Users Posts: 82,154 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Quin_Dub wrote: »
    To be fair, Barr and everyone around Trump has been hinting and suggesting about an "explosive" Durham report for weeks.

    Barr has refused to commit to not releasing the Durham report in October , so given all that we know about him , he will absolutely release it before the election.

    He will also publish a "summary" in advance of the full report just as he did with the Mueller report to ensure that he sets the narrative that he wants.

    And that narrative isn't going to be "Nothing to see here", and just as with the Mueller report "summary" it will favour the Trump viewpoint over the actual facts.

    Barr has repeatedly and stridently attacked the Russia investigation — saying that what happened to Trump was “one of the greatest travesties in American history” — while hinting vaguely that he is “troubled” by what he knows Durham has found. That has drawn accusations from Democrats and legal analysts that he is inappropriately talking about an ongoing case and prejudging its outcome.

    “There’s a real danger, in fact an urgent threat, that anything the Department of Justice does will be timed to aid the president,” Sen. Richard Blumenthal (D- Conn.) said in an interview, adding, “Barr has proven ready, willing and able to distort, distract and deceive.”

    At a hearing Tuesday before the House Judiciary Committee, Barr was quizzed briefly by both sides on the matter but offered little to satisfy his questioners.

    Rep. Tom McClintock (R-Calif.) pointed to what he saw as some of the failures of the Russia investigation and seemed to press Barr on how soon he would correct them.

    “Are you going to be able to right this wrong before it becomes a precedent for future election interference by corrupt officials in our justice and intelligence agencies?” McClintock asked.

    Barr said that Durham’s work had been delayed by the coronavirus crisis and added, “Justice is not something you order up on a schedule like you’re ordering a pizza.”

    Barr recently told Fox News he expected developments in Durham’s investigation “hopefully before the end of the summer.” He has said that Durham is mainly focused on uncovering criminal wrongdoing but that he expects “there will be public disclosure in some form of report.”

    Rep. Debbie Mucarsel-Powell (D-Fla.) asked Barr: Would he “commit to not releasing any report by Mr. Durham before the November election?”

    “No,” Barr responded.

    Justice Department policies and tradition generally counsel against taking steps in an investigation close to an election such that they might affect the outcome. But the guidance is vague and difficult to reconcile with an investigation like Durham’s — which apparently is not focused on any political candidates, though it has been seized on by politicians and involves law enforcement’s treatment of Trump’s 2016 presidential campaign.

    Donald Ayer, who worked as deputy attorney general under President George H.W. Bush, said that even if there was no explicit policy, Barr had a duty to take steps to avoid the appearance of political interference.

    “You have to bring some common sense, and an attitude that says, ‘I’m actually trying to make the public think we’re being fair,’ ” Ayer said. “The problem with Barr is he’s not trying to do that.”

    Spokespeople for Barr and Durham declined to comment.

    Exactly what Durham is focused on is not clear. He has publicly questioned the cause the FBI had to open the 2016 investigation, noting in a 2019 statement that he disagreed with some of the Justice Department inspector general’s conclusions about “predication and how the FBI case was opened.”

    Durham has questioned witnesses about why and how the case was opened, and about what happened in the months after it began. One focus, people familiar with the matter said, seems to be on why the bureau kept pressing forward after it came to have doubts about the credibility of Christopher Steele, a former British intelligence officer on whose work the FBI relied in part to get a secret court order to surveil former Trump campaign adviser Carter Page. Investigators were particularly interested in doubts raised about Steele by one of his sources of information, the people said, who, like others, spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss an ongoing case.

    The Justice Department inspector general already lambasted officials who it said repeatedly emphasized damaging information they heard about Trump associates and played down exculpatory evidence they found as they sought those warrants.

    The inspector general referred one former FBI lawyer, Kevin Clinesmith, for possible criminal prosecution, alleging that he doctored an email as part of the application process. But beyond Clinesmith, it is unclear who — if anyone — might have criminal liability in Durham’s probe.

    [...]


    https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/john-durham-investigation-trump-russia-william-barr/2020/07/29/b9dd1e1a-d1b8-11ea-8d32-1ebf4e9d8e0d_story.html
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAHoul4IYMY

    never knew sky news was in aus. interesting take on the upcoming election.

    after about the 40 sec mark i dont see alot wrong with what biden said.

    the words of a president matter. that's pretty bang on.

    and the point about the masks? didn't really get that.

    ETA: this report is from yesterday

    Yeah that is some Rupert Murdoch inspired cherrypicking. Oh god, someone spent 3 seconds composing prose remarks off-script how dare he

    Sky and Fox News, both coordinated by the same people up top.


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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,244 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub




    never knew sky news was in aus. interesting take on the upcoming election.

    after about the 40 sec mark i dont see alot wrong with what biden said.

    the words of a president matter. that's pretty bang on.

    and the point about the masks? didn't really get that.

    ETA: this report is from yesterday

    I assume that guy is an Australian version of Hannity/Carlson??

    Biden says - "Wear a mask , listen to the Scientists , not the politicians , I know I'm a politician but listen to the scientists".

    Perfectly valid, reasonable and pertinent point to make.

    And this guys spins that as "Joe Biden reminds us that he knows who he is" with his head shaking in an "ah sure bless him" kind of way.

    Talk about a hit job. very poor.


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,039 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2


    the difference is that trump is a candidate and obama isn't. also there isn't a hope in hell of trump giving the eulogy at cains funeral.

    Obama is not exactly neutral here when is campaigning for Biden who was his former VP for 8 years. Again I don't see the issue with Obama Yesterday, family approved it and quite likely Lewis would have been fine with the speech,,,but if trump speaks at the cain funeral and has the approval of the family, then I hope people don't become hypocrites and slam him for "politicising" a funeral.


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,366 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Overheal wrote: »

    Barr has repeatedly and stridently attacked the Russia investigation — saying that what happened to Trump was “one of the greatest travesties in American history” — while hinting vaguely that he is “troubled” by what he knows Durham has found. That has drawn accusations from Democrats and legal analysts that he is inappropriately talking about an ongoing case and prejudging its outcome.

    “There’s a real danger, in fact an urgent threat, that anything the Department of Justice does will be timed to aid the president,” Sen. Richard Blumenthal (D- Conn.) said in an interview, adding, “Barr has proven ready, willing and able to distort, distract and deceive.”

    At a hearing Tuesday before the House Judiciary Committee, Barr was quizzed briefly by both sides on the matter but offered little to satisfy his questioners.

    Rep. Tom McClintock (R-Calif.) pointed to what he saw as some of the failures of the Russia investigation and seemed to press Barr on how soon he would correct them.

    “Are you going to be able to right this wrong before it becomes a precedent for future election interference by corrupt officials in our justice and intelligence agencies?” McClintock asked.

    Barr said that Durham’s work had been delayed by the coronavirus crisis and added, “Justice is not something you order up on a schedule like you’re ordering a pizza.”

    Barr recently told Fox News he expected developments in Durham’s investigation “hopefully before the end of the summer.” He has said that Durham is mainly focused on uncovering criminal wrongdoing but that he expects “there will be public disclosure in some form of report.”

    Rep. Debbie Mucarsel-Powell (D-Fla.) asked Barr: Would he “commit to not releasing any report by Mr. Durham before the November election?”

    “No,” Barr responded.

    Justice Department policies and tradition generally counsel against taking steps in an investigation close to an election such that they might affect the outcome. But the guidance is vague and difficult to reconcile with an investigation like Durham’s — which apparently is not focused on any political candidates, though it has been seized on by politicians and involves law enforcement’s treatment of Trump’s 2016 presidential campaign.

    Donald Ayer, who worked as deputy attorney general under President George H.W. Bush, said that even if there was no explicit policy, Barr had a duty to take steps to avoid the appearance of political interference.

    “You have to bring some common sense, and an attitude that says, ‘I’m actually trying to make the public think we’re being fair,’ ” Ayer said. “The problem with Barr is he’s not trying to do that.”

    Spokespeople for Barr and Durham declined to comment.

    Exactly what Durham is focused on is not clear. He has publicly questioned the cause the FBI had to open the 2016 investigation, noting in a 2019 statement that he disagreed with some of the Justice Department inspector general’s conclusions about “predication and how the FBI case was opened.”

    Durham has questioned witnesses about why and how the case was opened, and about what happened in the months after it began. One focus, people familiar with the matter said, seems to be on why the bureau kept pressing forward after it came to have doubts about the credibility of Christopher Steele, a former British intelligence officer on whose work the FBI relied in part to get a secret court order to surveil former Trump campaign adviser Carter Page. Investigators were particularly interested in doubts raised about Steele by one of his sources of information, the people said, who, like others, spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss an ongoing case.

    The Justice Department inspector general already lambasted officials who it said repeatedly emphasized damaging information they heard about Trump associates and played down exculpatory evidence they found as they sought those warrants.

    The inspector general referred one former FBI lawyer, Kevin Clinesmith, for possible criminal prosecution, alleging that he doctored an email as part of the application process. But beyond Clinesmith, it is unclear who — if anyone — might have criminal liability in Durham’s probe.

    [...]


    https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/john-durham-investigation-trump-russia-william-barr/2020/07/29/b9dd1e1a-d1b8-11ea-8d32-1ebf4e9d8e0d_story.html

    Yeah that is some Rupert Murdoch inspired cherrypicking. Oh god, someone spent 3 seconds composing prose remarks off-script how dare he

    Sky and Fox News, both coordinated by the same people up top.

    Sky in UK/Ireland is quite liberal. Certainly in their reporting of Brexit and Trump.


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,624 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    Trumps presser has just gone live there a couple of minutes ago. They have gone and stolen Fine Gaels Covid slogan 'We're all in this together' and put it on a tv screen over his shoulder. His first sentence mentioned the Chy-na virus and they he went on to talk about the hurricane, he said its a big one and "we dont want to let it get any bigger" as if he controls the weather.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,861 ✭✭✭Jizique


    Sky in UK/Ireland is quite liberal. Certainly in their reporting of Brexit and Trump.

    Agreed.
    Interesting to see James Murdoch has just resigned from the board of News Corp citing editorial differences


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  • Registered Users Posts: 25,468 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Muahahaha wrote: »
    Trumps presser has just gone live there a couple of minutes ago. They have gone and stolen Fine Gaels Covid slogan 'We're all in this together' and put it on a tv screen over his shoulder. His first sentence mentioned the Chy-na virus and they he went on to talk about the hurricane, he said its a big one and "we dont want to let it get any bigger" as if he controls the weather.

    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/aug/26/donald-trump-suggests-nuking-hurricanes-to-stop-them-hitting-america-report
    the president said in a meeting with top national security and homeland security officials about the threat of hurricanes: “I got it. I got it. Why don’t we nuke them?”

    “They start forming off the coast of Africa, as they’re moving across the Atlantic, we drop a bomb inside the eye of the hurricane and it disrupts it. Why can’t we do that?”


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,768 ✭✭✭timsey tiger


    I bet he "was being sarcastic then too".


  • Registered Users Posts: 82,154 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    I bet he "was being sarcastic then too".

    It usually goes:

    MAGA followers: he was joking

    pundits: TOTALLY joking

    Press Secretary: the President was being facetious

    Trump: I was dead serious. Let’s do it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,482 ✭✭✭Kidchameleon


    "unamed sources" LOL


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,236 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    Overheal wrote: »
    It usually goes:

    MAGA followers: he was joking

    pundits: TOTALLY joking

    Press Secretary: the President was being facetious

    Trump: I was dead serious. Let’s do it.


    You could set your watch by it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 82,154 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Someone should remind Trump how term limits work and how Obama wasn’t running in 2016

    https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1289358246541553664?s=21

    Oh and he’s finally moving reportedly to ban TikTok, which has set social media ablaze. The chief suspicion is he and the RNC have felt threatened by TikTok users registering all those Tulsa rally tickets they never planned to use; im not sure if it also had to do with the platform being used popularly to smear him and his Covid response.

    Microsoft motioned they would buy the app to sever its ties to China but even that solution was seemingly not good enough for the President, just cementing the idea that he is doing so for political reasons and not a practical matter of cyber security concerns.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,482 ✭✭✭Kidchameleon


    Overheal wrote: »
    Oh and he’s finally moving reportedly to ban TikTok, which has set social media ablaze. The chief suspicion is he and the RNC have felt threatened by TikTok users registering all those Tulsa rally tickets they never planned to use; im not sure if it also had to do with the platform being used popularly to smear him and his Covid response.


    No, its got to do with his job of protecting his citizens. The job he was elected to do. TikTok have been illegally collecting data, getting caught and then continuing to do it. Action must be taken.


    https://www.computing.co.uk/news/4017082/tiktok-spying-clipboard-researchers-warn-iphone-users


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,448 ✭✭✭weisses


    No, its got to do with his job of protecting his citizens. The job he was elected to do. TikTok have been illegally collecting data, getting caught and then continuing to do it. Action must be taken.


    https://www.computing.co.uk/news/4017082/tiktok-spying-clipboard-researchers-warn-iphone-users


    So Facebook should be banned as well?.... Using your logic


  • Registered Users Posts: 25,468 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Overheal wrote: »
    Someone should remind Trump how term limits work and how Obama wasn’t running in 2016

    https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1289358246541553664?s=21

    Oh and he’s finally moving reportedly to ban TikTok, which has set social media ablaze. The chief suspicion is he and the RNC have felt threatened by TikTok users registering all those Tulsa rally tickets they never planned to use; im not sure if it also had to do with the platform being used popularly to smear him and his Covid response.

    Microsoft motioned they would buy the app to sever its ties to China but even that solution was seemingly not good enough for the President, just cementing the idea that he is doing so for political reasons and not a practical matter of cyber security concerns.

    Was reading about it myself this morning

    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/world-us-canada-53619287
    "As far as TikTok is concerned, we're banning them from the United States," Mr Trump told reporters aboard Air Force One.

    He really is mad that a grandmother was able to use TikTok to ruin his little rally :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 82,154 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    He told the press pool specifically that he was against the idea of a US company buying it and patriating it. So the idea that his interest in blocking it is purely security related indeed doesn’t fly. Last year Trump didn’t ban Grindr from the US even though he said it threatened security by potentially being used to blackmail American officials (well well well, Lindsey), he instead pushed the app to divest from its Chinese connections.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/31/technology/tiktok-microsoft.html

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/28/us/politics/grindr-china-national-security.html


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,482 ✭✭✭Kidchameleon


    weisses wrote: »
    So Facebook should be banned as well?.... Using your logic


    Are Facebook illegally collecting data?


  • Registered Users Posts: 82,154 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Are Facebook illegally collecting data?

    Had indeed been shown to have done so in a court of law yes

    https://thenextweb.com/facebook/2018/02/12/facebook-is-illegally-collecting-user-data-court-rules/

    Fined $5 billion by the FTC. [url] https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/jul/12/facebook-fine-ftc-privacy-violations[/url]

    But not shut down. Fancy that then


  • Registered Users Posts: 23,371 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Sounds like Trump doubling down on his post election excuses. Said things were going well until the Jina virus and that Jina supports the other guy more and will own America.


    Tinfoil hat business must be booming.


  • Registered Users Posts: 25,468 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Are Facebook illegally collecting data?

    Facebook

    https://thenextweb.com/facebook/2018/02/12/facebook-is-illegally-collecting-user-data-court-rules/
    A German court today ruled Facebook was collecting data illegally from its users. The ruling, handed down by a Berlin regional court, states that Facebook didn’t obtain the consent from its users to collect data used for targeting in its own advertising platformo

    Google/Youtube

    https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/press-releases/2019/09/google-youtube-will-pay-record-170-million-alleged-violations
    Google LLC and its subsidiary YouTube, LLC will pay a record $170 million to settle allegations by the Federal Trade Commission and the New York Attorney General that the YouTube video sharing service illegally collected personal information from children without their parents’ consent.

    Apple

    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2019/10/02/apple-iphone-users-may-get-750-google-illegal-tracking-data/amp/
    iPhone users may get £750 each from Google for 'illegal' tracking of data


  • Registered Users Posts: 25,468 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Blaaz_ wrote: »
    Trump is a joke,biden is too old too

    But tik tok is a chinese monitering app,which can read screenshots and potentially hack whatsapp/msging conversations too


    It is far more intrusive than facebook/google (which also needs banning).....there was v.good article on reddit about it,showing how it works

    Have you seen the average TicTok user? Its 90% narcissistic behaviour, people filming themselves miming to songs or doing dumb shìt for likes.

    I dont think the chinese govt care that Sharon down the road can mime to Drake while flashing her newly botoxed lips.


  • Registered Users Posts: 82,154 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    pjohnson wrote: »
    Sounds like Trump doubling down on his post election excuses. Said things were going well until the Jina virus and that Jina supports the other guy more and will own America.


    Tinfoil hat business must be booming.

    Did you see his Florida Sheriff Group remarks?

    “When you have a Democrat-run city, you have a city with problems. If Joe Biden is elected president, the chaos and bloodshed will spread to every community in our land. You’ll have a Portland everywhere… In Joe Biden’s America, you and your family will never be safe, rioters and criminals will be totally protected, law-abiding citizens will be totally disarmed, and American families will be at the mercy of the violent left-wing mob that you’ve been watching on television.”

    He’s off his rocker. ‘Liberal terrorists under every couch cushion! They’ll break into your kids bedroom to reassign their gender! They’re coming for your guns, any minute now! He’ll pardon the crimina- oh wait that was me’


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    Overheal wrote: »
    Someone should remind Trump how term limits work and how Obama wasn’t running in 2016

    https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1289358246541553664?s=21

    Oh and he’s finally moving reportedly to ban TikTok, which has set social media ablaze. The chief suspicion is he and the RNC have felt threatened by TikTok users registering all those Tulsa rally tickets they never planned to use; im not sure if it also had to do with the platform being used popularly to smear him and his Covid response.

    Microsoft motioned they would buy the app to sever its ties to China but even that solution was seemingly not good enough for the President, just cementing the idea that he is doing so for political reasons and not a practical matter of cyber security concerns.

    What is the story with the latest executive order he signed regarding big tech and the application of Us style first amendment free speech rights to their platforms.

    Haven't seen much about it. Happened on Thursday I believe


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,482 ✭✭✭Kidchameleon


    So they punished Facebook accordingly. Great. Hopefully the TicTok situation gets sorted. I understand Microsoft may be taking it over


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,158 ✭✭✭frag420


    Blaaz_ wrote: »
    Thats exactly it though

    If the funny video shared/joked into a whatsapp/any groupchat on msging apps,they can in theory then read said conversations



    It gives enough of a shot at going viral/getting likes that people work harder to produce better videos (some are unreal like),and thus the better videos get shared more......its not the data collected through the app is dangerous,its what it can attach itself too and read in group chats

    Then surely thats an issue for Facebook who own WhatsApp, if their security is that lax then they need to do something about it no !?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 25,468 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Blaaz_ wrote: »
    Meh...ban them too....its of no difference to.me


    Trump may be a clown,racist and whatever else...but he is correct to point out tik tok is a pretty severe attempt at spying (not that the yanks are any different)

    Yup, he calls for this get the US and British can and do monitor millions of emails/texts etc every day yet no one says a word about it.


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