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How will schools be able to go back in September?

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  • #6602
    ChelseaRentBoy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 473 ✭✭ChelseaRentBoy


    jetfiremuck wrote: »
    lets not forget the lack of child care facilities and places for said teachers and their families, and the associated hassle with that. By the way has anyone seen them moving desks etc preparing to reopen. Itll be the same drip drip feed for ffg

    The government are a deer stuck in the headlights on the issue. Part of me thinks they'll be hoping for a surge in cases next month so they don't look weak against the unions when kids are stuck home for another few months.


  • #6603
    History Queen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,488 ✭✭✭History Queen


    ChelseaRentBoy wrote: »
    No union is going to let their members be put in harms way. If you know anything about the teaching unions you'll know this.

    I'm a member of one of the unions. Yes they'll continue to advocate for working conditions in line with public health advice but they won't want their members working from home in conditions that they aren't trained for or competent in (talking in generalities, some teachers may be, I'm certainly not) for any longer than is necessary.


  • #6604
    ChelseaRentBoy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 473 ✭✭ChelseaRentBoy


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    Harms way.

    Anyone going into work for all of time puts themselves in harms way.

    Work for everyone has risks and hazards.

    Honestly at this stage the excuses are embarrassing.

    I wouldn't be working in a small room with 30 odd sniffling and couching kids in my job, are you?


  • #6605
    ChelseaRentBoy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 473 ✭✭ChelseaRentBoy


    History Queen wrote: »
    I'm a member of one of the unions. Yes they'll continue to advocate for working conditions in line with public health advice but they won't want their members working from home in conditions that they aren't trained for or competent in (talking in generalities, some teachers may be, I'm certainly not) for any longer than is necessary.

    Listen everyone wants a return to normal but the unions will put health of their membership before all else of that I am sure.

    Night all.


  • #6606
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,135 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    ChelseaRentBoy wrote: »
    I wouldn't be working in a small room with 30 odd sniffling and couching kids in my job, are you?

    What about people who work on building sites where the risk of death is higher?

    Or firemen, gardai?

    Every job has a risk.

    That's life.

    Its pathetic.

    Teachers are gone beyond pathetic at this stage.

    Full pay for nothing.


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  • #6607
    History Queen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,488 ✭✭✭History Queen


    ChelseaRentBoy wrote: »
    Listen everyone wants a return to normal but the unions will put health of their membership before all else of that I am sure.

    Night all.

    But they won't be advocating for no return at all. It'd be counterproductive. They represent their members (teachers) who want to go back. Unions won't go against the wishes of the majority of their membership.


  • #6608
    Blondini
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,480 ✭✭✭Blondini


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

    Full pay for nothing.

    I get give or take, it works out at about with expenses 70,000 a year and I pay tax on that, so it’s about a net 40,000 and out of that 40,000 I run a home in Dublin, Castlebar and Brussels. I wanna tell you something, try it sometime…

    Night.


  • #6609
    Beasty
    Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,458 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    Glad you're finding the whole situation funny.

    Not surprised though.

    Its all a joke to people sitting at home on full pay.
    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    Harms way.

    Anyone going into work for all of time puts themselves in harms way.

    Work for everyone has risks and hazards.

    Honestly at this stage the excuses are embarrassing.
    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    What about people who work on building sites where the risk of death is higher?

    Or firemen, gardai?

    Every job has a risk.

    That's life.

    Its pathetic.

    Teachers are gone beyond pathetic at this stage.

    Full pay for nothing.
    Threadbanned


  • #6610
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,885 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    timmy_mallet wrote: »
    Why is it taking so long for a workable plan?

    A new education minister way out of her depth?


  • #6611
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    timmy_mallet wrote: »
    Why is it taking so long for a workable plan?

    Probably because there isn’t one.
    Publishing green list.
    Returning holiday makers.
    Inevitable spike
    Nothing we could have done you shouldn’t have gone on holidays.
    Kids home.
    It’s your own fault.

    I’d say that is the plan.

    How it’s more effective than actually copying countries that are back to normal I don’t know.
    I guess airlines and tourism sector more important than the children’s education. Coming out saying we can’t do mandatory quarantine is a cop out.


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  • #6612
    ThunbergsAreGo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,399 ✭✭✭✭ThunbergsAreGo


    happyday wrote: »
    The SNA contract does not allow SNAs to supervise a class in place of a teacher. I'd imagine it would be a huge palaver to get that changed.

    Getting substitute SNAs is very difficult too as there is no centralised method of doing it. It depends on word of mouth and what CVs have been dropped in to the school.

    Nice to see a mention of the 16,000 SNAs we have in Ireland here though.

    So Union's that would be causing that palaver?


  • #6613
    ThunbergsAreGo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,399 ✭✭✭✭ThunbergsAreGo


    Blondini wrote: »
    I get give or take, it works out at about with expenses 70,000 a year and I pay tax on that, so it’s about a net 40,000 and out of that 40,000 I run a home in Dublin, Castlebar and Brussels. I wanna tell you something, try it sometime…

    Night.

    This is honestly pathetic from the Department, there must be contingency plans being made in the background. This is really unfair on the kids at this stage {of all ages).


  • #6614
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,757 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    ChelseaRentBoy wrote: »
    I'm in no doubt the schools won't be opening in September and early next year will be very optimistic. If schools are back open in March I'd see that as a huge victory.

    Creches are open, why wouldn't the schools follow?

    March?

    Why exactly?


  • #6615
    ldy4mxonucwsq6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,537 ✭✭✭ldy4mxonucwsq6


    Blondini wrote: »
    I get give or take, it works out at about with expenses 70,000 a year and I pay tax on that, so it’s about a net 40,000 and out of that 40,000 I run a home in Dublin, Castlebar and Brussels. I wanna tell you something, try it sometime…

    Night.

    Oh yeah wasn't he was a teacher too? Like many Irish politicians that's how his career started, as a teacher.

    Not someone I'd be quoting. It left a bad taste then and is a fine example of someone completely out of touch, like most politicians.


  • #6616
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    ChelseaRentBoy wrote: »
    No union is going to let their members be put in harms way. If you know anything about the teaching unions you'll know this.

    What happens when they get told they will be on 350 a week, if they are lucky


  • #6617
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    ChelseaRentBoy wrote: »
    I wouldn't be working in a small room with 30 odd sniffling and couching kids in my job, are you?

    Young kids are low risk with covid - it is well established. As poorly as Sweden have managed this, they left Schools open for the under 16's and experienced no major cluster associated with schools. Switzerland reopened schools and childcare in May and experienced no major surge. It is one of the lower risk indoor activities that can restart.


  • #6618
    ThunbergsAreGo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,399 ✭✭✭✭ThunbergsAreGo


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Young kids are low risk with covid - it is well established. As poorly as Sweden have managed this, they left Schools open for the under 16's and experienced no major cluster associated with schools. Switzerland reopened schools and childcare in May and experienced no major surge. It is one of the lower risk indoor activities that can restart.

    Public transport must be as dangerous, given the amount of people that use it, and the fact surly as people go back to work social distancing will be severely reduced.


  • #6619
    mirrorwall14
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,751 ✭✭✭mirrorwall14


    lawred2 wrote: »
    Creches are open, why wouldn't the schools follow?

    March?

    Why exactly?

    Crèches max ratio is 1:12. Schools is 1:30. (Headline ratio is lower but includes teachers not in the classroom to make it look better. The majority of classes are of around 30).

    There’s a big difference. Having said that there is zero reason we cant partially open with social distancing and gradually increase if there are no surges. I’m a teacher and cannot wait to get back. But there needs to be a plan. There also needs to be a plan for what happens if schools get a case etc


  • #6620
    scrubs33
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 201 ✭✭scrubs33


    mirrorwall14 wrote: »
    Crèches max ratio is 1:12. Schools is 1:30. (Headline ratio is lower but includes teachers not in the classroom to make it look better. The majority of classes are of around 30).

    There’s a big difference. Having said that there is zero reason we cant partially open with social distancing and gradually increase if there are no surges. I’m a teacher and cannot wait to get back. But there needs to be a plan. There also needs to be a plan for what happens if schools get a case etc

    http://https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/schools-and-creches-with-cases-of-covid-19-to-stay-open-39390030.html
    I cant read the full article as its behind a paywall so not sure how much of a clickbait article it is but is this the start of leaks over the next few days I wonder? The headline is schools and crèches with cases will stay open


  • #6621
    ldy4mxonucwsq6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,537 ✭✭✭ldy4mxonucwsq6


    mirrorwall14 wrote: »
    Crèches max ratio is 1:12. Schools is 1:30. (Headline ratio is lower but includes teachers not in the classroom to make it look better. The majority of classes are of around 30).

    There’s a big difference. Having said that there is zero reason we cant partially open with social distancing and gradually increase if there are no surges. I’m a teacher and cannot wait to get back. But there needs to be a plan. There also needs to be a plan for what happens if schools get a case etc

    The creche ratios are not there for infection control though, they have always had lower ratios for safety due to the nature of their younger clientele.

    The ratios are nothing new and class sizes are not going to be fixed. Practical provisions to minimise risks are needed.

    Where there's a case in schools then the schools should shut followed by swift testing and contact tracing and premises deep cleaned.

    Depending on how well the bubbles are being maintained in school, this could mean testing one class or could mean testing the whole school. Either way the whole process should not take any longer than 3-4 days.

    I would also like to see teachers being tested weekly as asymptomatic cases could be picked up quickly too and again minimise any spread.


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  • #6622
    mirrorwall14
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,751 ✭✭✭mirrorwall14


    Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »
    The creche ratios are not there for infection control though, they have always had lower ratios for safety due to the nature of their younger clientele.

    The ratios are nothing new and class sizes are not going to be fixed. Practical provisions to minimise risks are needed.

    Where there's a case in schools then the schools should shut followed by swift testing and contact tracing and premises deep cleaned.

    Depending on how well the bubbles are being maintained in school, this could mean testing one class or could mean testing the whole school. Either way the whole process should not take any longer than 3-4 days.

    I would also like to see teachers being tested weekly as asymptomatic cases could be picked up quickly too and again minimise any spread.

    I agree on some of that. But the afterschool ratio for creche is 1:12. Which is completely mental to me considering they are coming from schools with 1 teacher and 30 kids

    I agree on your following paragraphs. But would it not need to take longer than 3-4 days? Even if Covid had been passed on they may not be symptomatic yet?


  • #6623
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,528 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

    I would also like to see teachers being tested weekly as asymptomatic cases could be picked up quickly too and again minimise any spread.

    Absolute no chance of that happening.


  • #6624
    lulublue22
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,496 ✭✭✭lulublue22


    scrubs33 wrote: »


    http://https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/schools-and-creches-with-cases-of-covid-19-to-stay-open-39390030.html
    I cant read the full article as its behind a paywall so not sure how much of a clickbait article it is but is this the start of leaks over the next few days I wonder? The headline is schools and crèches with cases will stay open

    Can’t access the article either but it could he a case of pods/ classes isolating for a confirmed case as opposed to the entire school closing. Presumably a school would have to close if a cluster developed.


  • #6625
    ldy4mxonucwsq6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,537 ✭✭✭ldy4mxonucwsq6


    Boggles wrote: »
    Absolute no chance of that happening.

    Why not?


  • #6626
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,528 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »
    Why not?

    Testing capacity is not there to cater for mass proactive of teachers weekly and it certainly won't be there come "sniffle" season.


  • #6627
    grind gremlin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 420 ✭✭grind gremlin


    lulublue22 wrote: »
    Can’t access the article either but it could he a case of pods/ classes isolating for a confirmed case as opposed to the entire school closing. Presumably a school would have to close if a cluster developed.

    The difficulty lies with siblings. A child in a class with a case could have siblings in other classes.
    The reality is, unless class numbers are reduced (at least halved), our children will all be sitting elbow to elbow in poorly ventilated rooms for long periods of time. Any parent knows that children pick up lots of bugs at the beginning of their school going days. Every child that gets any illness takes a parent out of the workforce potentially for 2 weeks. No crèche or minder will want to take them. Many teachers are parents and there is already a crisis in relation to substitute cover. This first term is going to be chaos.


  • #6628
    Blondini
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,480 ✭✭✭Blondini


    As a teacher, I think the openings should be pushed back until October anyway to compensate for all the extra hard work I did grading the Leaving Cert. I didn't get my full three months holidays this year.


  • #6629
    ldy4mxonucwsq6
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    scrubs33 wrote: »


    http://https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/schools-and-creches-with-cases-of-covid-19-to-stay-open-39390030.html
    I cant read the full article as its behind a paywall so not sure how much of a clickbait article it is but is this the start of leaks over the next few days I wonder? The headline is schools and crèches with cases will stay open

    The creche with the case this week remained open, only those in contact with the worker being tested.

    https://www.newstalk.com/news/health-guidelines-successful-containing-covid-19-creche-case-1049776

    Though if that workplace had a 14 day mandatory isolation on return from abroad it would have avoided all of that.


  • #6630
    Doctors room ghost
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,839 ✭✭✭Doctors room ghost


    Blondini wrote: »
    As a teacher, I think the openings should be pushed back until October anyway to compensate for all the extra hard work I did grading the Leaving Cert. I didn't get my full three months holidays this year.





    Pity about you not getting your full 3 months holiday and the health care professionals stretched to capacity and suffering burnout.did you see a doctor passed away yesterday as a result of covid in the mater?? Do you think holidays are worrying him? Ffs I’ve seen it all now


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  • #6631
    Lillyfae
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,858 ✭✭✭Lillyfae


    Blondini wrote: »
    As a teacher, I think the openings should be pushed back until October anyway to compensate for all the extra hard work I did grading the Leaving Cert. I didn't get my full three months holidays this year.

    Shur God love ye


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