[Deleted User] wrote: » It is highly likely transmission in that school was teacher to teacher. No more risk than any other workplace, and clusters and deaths will happen Switzerland though?
Blondini wrote: » Thanks. Also, some of those long days I had to work past 3.55PM. No one thinks of these hardships when they they give out about the teachers. Thanks again.
grind gremlin wrote: » The difficulty lies with siblings. A child in a class with a case could have siblings in other classes. The reality is, unless class numbers are reduced (at least halved), our children will all be sitting elbow to elbow in poorly ventilated rooms for long periods of time. Any parent knows that children pick up lots of bugs at the beginning of their school going days. Every child that gets any illness takes a parent out of the workforce potentially for 2 weeks. No crèche or minder will want to take them. Many teachers are parents and there is already a crisis in relation to substitute cover. This first term is going to be chaos.
Boggles wrote: » Yeah, that ain't true. But probably more importantly they haven't really tested in schools. I would be very careful citing Sweden as any sort of bastion of honesty when it comes to Covid 19 and how they have mismanaged it.https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/05/how-sweden-wasted-rare-opportunity-study-coronavirus-schools
Doctors room ghost wrote: » Pity about you not getting your full 3 months holiday and the health care professionals stretched to capacity and suffering burnout.did you see a doctor passed away yesterday as a result of covid in the mater?? Do you think holidays are worrying him? Ffs I’ve seen it all now
Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: » The creche with the case this week remained open, only those in contact with the worker being tested.https://www.newstalk.com/news/health-guidelines-successful-containing-covid-19-creche-case-1049776Though if that workplace had a 14 day mandatory isolation on return from abroad it would have avoided all of that.
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Deleted User wrote: » Young kids are low risk with covid - it is well established. As poorly as Sweden have managed this, they left Schools open for the under 16's and experienced no major cluster associated with schools.
There’s nearly universal agreement that widespread, long-lasting school closures harm children. Not only do children fall behind in learning, but isolation harms their mental health and leaves some vulnerable to abuse and neglect. But during this pandemic, does that harm outweigh the risk—to children, school staff, families, and the community at large—of keeping schools open and giving the coronavirus more chances to spread? The one country that could have definitively answered that question has apparently failed to collect any data. Bucking a global trend, Sweden has kept day care centers and schools through ninth grade open since COVID-19 emerged, without any major adjustments to class size, lunch policies, or recess rules. That made the country a perfect natural experiment about schools’ role in viral spread that many others could have learned from as they reopen schools or ponder when to do so. Yet Swedish officials have not tracked infections among school children—even when large outbreaks led to the closure of individual schools or staff members died of the disease.
In the town of Skellefteå, a teacher died and 18 of 76 staff tested positive at a school with about 500 students in preschool through ninth grade. The school closed for 2 weeks because so many staff were sick, but students were not tested for the virus. In Uppsala, staff protested when school officials, citing patient privacy rules, declined to notify families or staff that a teacher had tested positive. No contact tracing was done at the school. At least two staff members at other schools have died, but those schools remained open and no one attempted to trace the spread of the disease there
Blondini wrote: » As a teacher, I think the openings should be pushed back until October anyway to compensate for all the extra hard work I did grading the Leaving Cert. I didn't get my full three months holidays this year.
scrubs33 wrote: » http://https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/schools-and-creches-with-cases-of-covid-19-to-stay-open-39390030.html I cant read the full article as its behind a paywall so not sure how much of a clickbait article it is but is this the start of leaks over the next few days I wonder? The headline is schools and crèches with cases will stay open
lulublue22 wrote: » Can’t access the article either but it could he a case of pods/ classes isolating for a confirmed case as opposed to the entire school closing. Presumably a school would have to close if a cluster developed.
Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: » Why not?
Boggles wrote: » Absolute no chance of that happening.
Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: » I would also like to see teachers being tested weekly as asymptomatic cases could be picked up quickly too and again minimise any spread.
Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: » The creche ratios are not there for infection control though, they have always had lower ratios for safety due to the nature of their younger clientele. The ratios are nothing new and class sizes are not going to be fixed. Practical provisions to minimise risks are needed. Where there's a case in schools then the schools should shut followed by swift testing and contact tracing and premises deep cleaned. Depending on how well the bubbles are being maintained in school, this could mean testing one class or could mean testing the whole school. Either way the whole process should not take any longer than 3-4 days. I would also like to see teachers being tested weekly as asymptomatic cases could be picked up quickly too and again minimise any spread.
mirrorwall14 wrote: » Crèches max ratio is 1:12. Schools is 1:30. (Headline ratio is lower but includes teachers not in the classroom to make it look better. The majority of classes are of around 30). There’s a big difference. Having said that there is zero reason we cant partially open with social distancing and gradually increase if there are no surges. I’m a teacher and cannot wait to get back. But there needs to be a plan. There also needs to be a plan for what happens if schools get a case etc
lawred2 wrote: » Creches are open, why wouldn't the schools follow? March? Why exactly?
[Deleted User] wrote: » Young kids are low risk with covid - it is well established. As poorly as Sweden have managed this, they left Schools open for the under 16's and experienced no major cluster associated with schools. Switzerland reopened schools and childcare in May and experienced no major surge. It is one of the lower risk indoor activities that can restart.
ChelseaRentBoy wrote: » I wouldn't be working in a small room with 30 odd sniffling and couching kids in my job, are you?
ChelseaRentBoy wrote: » No union is going to let their members be put in harms way. If you know anything about the teaching unions you'll know this.
Blondini wrote: » I get give or take, it works out at about with expenses 70,000 a year and I pay tax on that, so it’s about a net 40,000 and out of that 40,000 I run a home in Dublin, Castlebar and Brussels. I wanna tell you something, try it sometime… Night.
ChelseaRentBoy wrote: » I'm in no doubt the schools won't be opening in September and early next year will be very optimistic. If schools are back open in March I'd see that as a huge victory.
happyday wrote: » The SNA contract does not allow SNAs to supervise a class in place of a teacher. I'd imagine it would be a huge palaver to get that changed. Getting substitute SNAs is very difficult too as there is no centralised method of doing it. It depends on word of mouth and what CVs have been dropped in to the school. Nice to see a mention of the 16,000 SNAs we have in Ireland here though.
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