Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

TaurenDruid wrote: »

Pretty much from the first couple of weeks of this, when Holohan and the HSE, then NPHET, recognised the seriousness of this and the correct response, and we got our roadmap.

That absolutely succeeded in flattening the curve. We got the R number right down, to the extent we were able to bring forward the easing of restrictions.

That's where logic and numbers came into it. Sorry if those facts don't fit your narrative.

Unfortunately, despite all of that hard work and progress by most of us, a bunch of selfish and greedy ****wits seem to have ruined it for us now - crowded beaches, drinking on the street with no social distancing, house parties, etc - and so we're now seeing the R number back up to 1 and all the new cases are under 45...

I'm sorry and don't take this personally but R has nothing to do with this if that's your understanding of R. Its a data analysis issue and has been flagged numerous times in the last few weeks that it would rise and cases were expected to rise. When you've a low sample set of data and you put a cluster or clusters for example 16 in Sligo and a new cluster of 9 mentioned yesterday then your going to get a higher R value, its basic data analysis.

Secondly we've heard all of this before, beaches were busy back in May when the weather was good. There's been drinking by the canal back in May, the CMO said himself people were wedged together , drinking on the street for the last month or more in some areas. House parties have always been going on.

Vast majority of cases are being linked to travel. Its not as if we have uncontrolled community spread. Clusters are and have been identified and thats a good thing.

So if your discussing moving onto the next phase there at the moment isn't a legitimate reason not to begin phase 4 on the 20th. Its actually the solution to the drinking in the street issue by putting people into controlled environments

Assetbacked wrote: »

I find the media and online discussion does not reflect what is going on outside. People are getting on with it, rightly not buying into the fear mongering nonsense. I mean, they can belt out their frustration on their keyboards but it doesn't have any impact on those that have moved on with their lives.

It's hilarious to see such hysteria about people standing around outside boozing last weekend but those getting hysterical live under a rock if they think that people haven't been meeting up with friends again in homes and parks for the past few weeks.

I dont get the Dame Lane hysteria. Firstly its not limited to Dublin, secondly its been happening for weeks, it was the canal when the weather was good, as Tony said people were wedged in at the canal. There's been house parties since the start.

But sure look now seems to be the time be outraged when people are looking to get back to normal life while being cautious

Assetbacked wrote: »

Anyway, I'm leaving my office now. To the pub with me.

Ffs I read the above and what am I wistful for? The normality of getting back to the office. What have I become?

[Deleted User] wrote: »

To be honest, I've sort of become a bit numb to the whole thing. I find it very frustrating that the media and probably the majority of people in the country constantly get so hysterical about the daily cases when they rise the slightest bit.

I can see it kicking off on here this evening if we get 20+ cases again today. The 2nd wave discussion will be mentioned on all threads and people will be talking about schools not reopening for another few months.

I've kind of taken a step back for my own sanity more than anything else.
I personally believe that our resources will run out and we'll be forced to live with the virus.

I think people will start to get a taste of it very soon when the Covid payments stop and the banks start calling for mortgage payments again.
That is just my opinion though. Maybe we'll borrow 50 billion and rock on for another few months.

To be honest I’m pretty happy with most things reopening. I’m not a massive drinker- all shops are open, I can travel where I like without interrogations, can eat out, go to the gym. I can live without foreign travel for another while.
I think the economy is in such a state that I’m confident the levels of inane restrictions we endured through to June can’t be repeated as they simply are just unaffordable now.
So if people want to get their knickers in a twist about second and twenty second waves let them at it. They’re pretty much present day king Canutes. There’s no going back to that level of nonsense on a national scale (much as they’re dying to drag us back to it).

[Deleted User] wrote: »

IMC cinema in tallaght is closing due to the unprecedented impact of Covid 19.

Inglot announced yesterday they’d be closing their standalone Irish stores.

Add these to the list including Debenhams, Zara, Bewleys, Monsoon, Mothercare. The majority of the tourism industry including the 500 Aer Lingus staff.

For some reason, there are still 40000+ construction workers getting the Covid payment.

Lots of office workers on these threads getting pay cuts.

Plenty of restaurants, cafes and pubs starting to mention they are closing on socia media including the priory in Kildare.

Starting to get bad out there. Going to be tough if they remove the Covid payments.

I'd imagine fair of those construction workers back at work and still claiming.

Assetbacked wrote: »

We are technically an essential service so I never needed to work from home, I chose to but I'm back a month now. Honestly, this won't help you, I love being in the office. The desk is so much more comfortable, I interact with colleagues in person which is so much more stimulating than over the phone and it is easier to separate work from home life. Volunteer to go in if you can when you have the chance, it's transformative.

Its funny, I keep hearing how working from home is going to be the new norm but the vast majority I talk to hate it for all the reasons you mention. I think its a utopia idea for single people with plenty of spare space in their homes, doesn't seem to work in normal households unless you're lucky enough to have a dedicated room to use as an office.

larva wrote: »

No, working from home is fantastic, I get to spend more time with my own family and friends, life is great! I dont need to be stuck in "the office" for 8 hours with colleagues, that doesnt really appeal to me at all. Most people already have computers in their homes, so I dont understand how people can say they dont have enough space to accommodate using a laptop when working from home?

I guess you're not working for 8 hrs if you're enjoying time with family and friends.

You can't work efficiently while being stuck in the corner of the kitchen table and the rest of the houshold life going on in the background.

prunudo wrote: »

I guess you're not working for 8 hrs if you're enjoying time with family and friends.

You can't work efficiently while being stuck in the corner of the kitchen table and the rest of the houshold life going on in the background.

I guess you work for 8 hours straight while in the office then? yeah right. I am getting more work done at home and am actually producing a higher level of output because im not stuck in the office with people I have little in common with. Most time people spend in the Office amounts to them googling, talking ****e about sports or last nights TV show and regurgitating the same tired jokes repeated at nausea. My home is quite busy but like I say I already have a Home computer, like most people do and this is were I now work, I dont buy the "I can find enough space" argument. Anyone desperate to get back to the office must be quite sad imo.

larva wrote: »

No, working from home is fantastic, I get to spend more time with my own family and friends, life is great! I dont need to be stuck in "the office" for 8 hours with colleagues, that doesnt really appeal to me at all. Most people already have computers in their homes, so I dont understand how people can say they dont have enough space to accommodate using a laptop when working from home?

Because it not just easy for everyone . Picture two parents working from home , downstairs is one open room and both on laptops on the kitchen table . One 6 year old needing home schooling , one toddler and one small baby all in that room and all needing care and attention .
I can absolutely well imagine they both prefer to go to work and get it done and not needing to catch up at 9 pm when the kids are in bed .
People have different circumstances than you yet you call them “ sad “ for wanting to return to a structured office ? Not everyone thinks or needs the same as you do

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Because it not just easy for everyone . Picture two parents working from home , downstairs is one open room and both on laptops on the kitchen table . One 6 year old needing home schooling , one toddler and one small baby all in that room and all needing care and attention .
I can absolutely well imagine they both prefer to go to work and get it done and not needing to catch up at 9 pm when the kids are in bed .
People have different circumstances than you yet you call them “ sad “ for wanting to return to a structured office ? Not everyone thinks or needs the same as you do

Kinda sounds like the type of parents that would prefer to work and let someone else bring up their children. It a choice to have children so, nobody forced it on you, you made the decision. Yes, working and having to look after you own kids all of time isnt an easy thing. this wont be forever, schools will be back open again in September. I care for my elderly dad all of the time now, its great to be able to look after him. I dont need to be in a "structured office" to get my job done, its the year 2020 and I get more done at home and am all the better for it.

Yes agree very unfair comment from the original poster...

Many jobs are measured on outputs from laptop... Its an 8 hour gig via online teams etc. Software to detect engagement online... Keystrokes etc

Employers don't really care that the employee might also need to cover three children's homework via seesaw... From the same device etc.



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young children and am retired but I dont judge others for thinking differntly to me or have different circumstances and different jobs .Some jobs need constant attention and it is impossible to care for a baby while trying to work at home .
Good for you and thats great but calling other" sad" because they have different lives is very smug and judgemental in my opinion[/quote]