Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

gral6

Airyfairy12 wrote: »

The country was locked down and schools shut after a total of 34 cases confirmed. Yesterday there where 32 cases in 1 day, 100 cases in 1 week and theyre continuing with reopening the country, allowing international travel from high risk countries and not following the advice of medical experts. The new government have left the public high and dry, Michael martin might as well be Boris Johnson. We're a sinking ship.
Well done FF and FG voters!

Do you think that the EU will be giving you food voucher for 350 p/w indefinitely? Come out of your shell, it is time to pay back the Bill now !

Damiencm

Airyfairy12 wrote:

The country was locked down and schools shut after a total of 34 cases confirmed. Yesterday there where 32 cases in 1 day, 100 cases in 1 week and theyre continuing with reopening the country, allowing international travel from high risk countries and not following the advice of medical experts. The new government have left the public high and dry, Michael martin might as well be Boris Johnson. We're a sinking ship. Well done FF and FG voters!

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facehugger99

Remember back when the idea of lockdown was floated?

It was never supposed to be any more than a crude device to buy the health service more time to get procedures, practices and services up and running to deal with the virus.

It is such a blunt tool and the economic devastation it wrought meant it could only be a stopgap measure.

What I would like to know is how in the name of fcuk it has been allowed to drag on for months now?

We are still paying hundreds of thousands of people the "emergency" payment and large swades of the economy are either shut down or have such crippling restrictions that they cannot profitably open.

Somehow the idea has become implanted in people's heads that the lockdown is the tool by which we eradicate the virus - this is patently nonsense. Barring a vaccine in the next 6 months (likely impossible), the ability of the virus to outlast our economic ability to stay in lockdown is guaranteed.

So why the fcuk are we persisting with this nonsense?

Why are the politicians and bureaucrats trying to shift focus to people going on holidays rather than having people questioning what the fcuk we've been doing with our health service in the last 4 months - I'll let ye answer that one.

The current situation is a complete farce and the useful idiots that the government have pompously wagging their fingers at those traveling abroad are being played for fools.

feelings

Should we all have voted for Mary 'I haven't bothered to download the app yet' Lou? Give us a break. :rolleyes:

Airyfairy12 wrote: »

The country was locked down and schools shut after a total of 34 cases confirmed. Yesterday there where 32 cases in 1 day, 100 cases in 1 week and theyre continuing with reopening the country, allowing international travel from high risk countries and not following the advice of medical experts. The new government have left the public high and dry, Michael martin might as well be Boris Johnson. We're a sinking ship.
Well done FF and FG voters!

Idbatterim

Great post facehugger. It's like one new case or death is one too many , kill everything eise to prevent it. Must be something perverted in the irish psyche, we have to be the " good boys " when all you have is the government propaganda piece telling everyone government and nphet is doing a great job, im not surprised the masses are brainwashed...

This thread had died down for quite some time but it feels like we are about go back to how it was in May!

With just 10 people in ICU and 20 odd cases a day from close to 10000 tests, it is absolutely outrageous to even consider that pubs can't reopen. These pubs have been forced to close for a third of a year now. They deserve honest answers at this point. We've all had enough of this "not there yet" nonsense.

We have almost doubled the number of tests we are carrying out over the last 2 weeks or so. This is the reason that the cases have increased a small bit. The positivity rate of tests is still 0.3%.

There appears to be little to no mention of the increase in tests though. Why?
They want people to believe that relaxing restrictions is causing an increase when clearly it hasn't.

rob316

Deleted User wrote: »

This thread had died down for quite some time but it feels like we are about go back to how it was in May!

With just 10 people in ICU and 20 odd cases a day from close to 10000 tests, it is absolutely outrageous to even consider that pubs can't reopen. These pubs have been forced to close for a third of a year now. They deserve honest answers at this point. We've all had enough of this "not there yet" nonsense.

We have almost doubled the number of tests we are carrying out over the last 2 weeks or so. This is the reason that the cases have increased a small bit. The positivity rate of tests is still 0.3%.

There appears to be little to no mention of the increase in tests though. Why?
They want people to believe that relaxing restrictions is causing an increase when clearly it hasn't.

The media love to pedal misery. You only have to look at how the weather is reported now, everything is warning this, warning that, for just a bit of rain.

Doctor Jimbob

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

I don't think there's any real threat of the pubs not opening. Seems to be a case of the media putting 2 and 2 together and getting 5. All they've said to back it up is NPHET are concerned about the numbers - this isn't new, they've been concerned every week, including before previous reopenings.

Hopefully so.

rob316

NPHET are always concerned. Its their job to be concerned about the public health, but there is other as important economic considerations.

facehugger99

rob316 wrote: »

The media love to pedal misery. You only have to look at how the weather is reported now, everything is warning this, warning that, for just a bit of rain.

In this country there has been a complete dereliction of duty by the media.

One only has to compare the BBC website with RTE's to see how striking the difference has been on the reporting of the virus.

Across the water, time and space are actually dedicated to a more holistic view of the virus, including the economic repercussions. RTE do nothing but peddle fear and provide a platform for the most hysterical viewpoints.

You will need to go searching to see what the ICU admission rate is but by God they will splash positive test results as the top headline - it matters not a fcuk that for the vast majority of people, the symptoms are either mild or non-existent.

Idbatterim

facehugger99 wrote: »

In this country there has been a complete dereliction of duty by the media.

One only has to compare the BBC website with RTE's to see how striking the difference has been on the reporting of the virus.

Across the water, time and space are actually dedicated to a more holistic view of the virus, including the economic repercussions. RTE do nothing but peddle fear and provide a platform for the most hysterical viewpoints.

Yeah I've pretty much stopped reading the news here, the analysis is a farce. Wont discuss Tons of topics and wont go on the attack , maybe they feel Ireland is too small or its cowardice. Honestly I'd recommend ditching the " news" and the likes of independent.ie and irish times.... all of them...

pgj2015

rob316 wrote: »

The media love to pedal misery. You only have to look at how the weather is reported now, everything is warning this, warning that, for just a bit of rain.

one of the papers said Ireland was to be battered by rain on Monday just gone. I didn't see 1 drop. The media loves misery, the government loves fear, they are best ignored.

Hurrache

It pissed rain for large portions of Monday.

GooglePlus

rob316 wrote: »

The media love to pedal misery. You only have to look at how the weather is reported now, everything is warning this, warning that, for just a bit of rain.

The media love to pedal what the people love to click on.

YellowBucket

gral6 wrote: »

Do you think that the EU will be giving you food voucher for 350 p/w indefinitely? Come out of your shell, it is time to pay back the Bill now !

The EU isn’t paying for that btw. We are actually a net contributor these days.

is_that_so

GooglePlus wrote: »

The media love to pedal what the people love to click on.

And they love to peddle things for sale too!

end of the road

facehugger99 wrote: »

Remember back when the idea of lockdown was floated?

It was never supposed to be any more than a crude device to buy the health service more time to get procedures, practices and services up and running to deal with the virus.

that was only 1 part of it, the main reason for it was to suppress the transmission rate in the community to a managable level over all so that we could reopen.

facehugger99 wrote: »

It is such a blunt tool and the economic devastation it wrought meant it could only be a stopgap measure.

it's supposed to be a blunt tool, that is the whole point, it was not a stopgap but a vital part of managing the virus.
economic problems were coming due to this regardless of whether we had lockdown or a free for all, they were unavoidable.

facehugger99 wrote: »

What I would like to know is how in the name of fcuk it has been allowed to drag on for months now?

We are still paying hundreds of thousands of people the "emergency" payment and large swades of the economy are either shut down or have such crippling restrictions that they cannot profitably open.

because the virus hasn't gone away.
so as part of managing the problem, and in exchange for being able to reopen, we have some restrictions in place to minimize the problem as much as we can while allowing everything to reopen.

facehugger99 wrote: »

Somehow the idea has become implanted in people's heads that the lockdown is the tool by which we eradicate the virus - this is patently nonsense. Barring a vaccine in the next 6 months (likely impossible), the ability of the virus to outlast our economic ability to stay in lockdown is guaranteed.

only a tiny few believe we can burn this out, they are not in government or the health service.
simply throwing open the doors was unworkable, it was never viable and was never going to happen, reopening with restrictions was the only option.

facehugger99 wrote: »

So why the fcuk are we persisting with this nonsense?

we aren't.
lockdown is effectively over.
the restrictions are to minimize the effects on business and allow them trade, and allow us to get on with our lives while trying to keep cases as low as we feasibly can do so.

facehugger99 wrote: »

Why are the politicians and bureaucrats trying to shift focus to people going on holidays rather than having people questioning what the fcuk we've been doing with our health service in the last 4 months - I'll let ye answer that one.

they aren't.

facehugger99 wrote: »

The current situation is a complete farce and the useful idiots that the government have pompously wagging their fingers at those traveling abroad are being played for fools.

the current situation is working well, we are reopening at a pace that is right for us.

TaurenDruid

facehugger99 wrote: »

In this country there has been a complete dereliction of duty by the media.

One only has to compare the BBC website with RTE's to see how striking the difference has been on the reporting of the virus.

Across the water, time and space are actually dedicated to a more holistic view of the virus, including the economic repercussions. RTE do nothing but peddle fear and provide a platform for the most hysterical viewpoints.

You will need to go searching to see what the ICU admission rate is but by God they will splash positive test results as the top headline - it matters not a fcuk that for the vast majority of people, the symptoms are either mild or non-existent.

And strangely, the death rate and infection rate are reasonably under control here, while in England they're clearly not under control. But sure, the BBC's coverage is better... :rolleyes:

end of the road

feelings wrote: »

Should we all have voted for Mary 'I haven't bothered to download the app yet' Lou? Give us a break.

yes if good government is what you wanted rather then more of the same.

Idbatterim wrote: »

Great post facehugger. It's like one new case or death is one too many , kill everything eise to prevent it. Must be something perverted in the irish psyche, we have to be the " good boys " when all you have is the government propaganda piece telling everyone government and nphet is doing a great job, im not surprised the masses are brainwashed...

yes, we are brainwashed by facts and information from experts who are experts.
we should have listened to facebook and some random on a website instead.

facehugger99 wrote: »

In this country there has been a complete dereliction of duty by the media.

One only has to compare the BBC website with RTE's to see how striking the difference has been on the reporting of the virus.

Across the water, time and space are actually dedicated to a more holistic view of the virus, including the economic repercussions. RTE do nothing but peddle fear and provide a platform for the most hysterical viewpoints.

You will need to go searching to see what the ICU admission rate is but by God they will splash positive test results as the top headline - it matters not a fcuk that for the vast majority of people, the symptoms are either mild or non-existent.

the media have been perfectly fine, reporting the information
and facts.
what you are looking for by the sounds of it is a propaganda machine to pander to your viewpoints, for that i'm afraid you will either have to set up one of your own, or just read facebook or some other random site.

average_runner

pgj2015 wrote: »

one of the papers said Ireland was to be battered by rain on Monday just gone. I didn't see 1 drop. The media loves misery, the government loves fear, they are best ignored.

The sooner irish papers go bust the better. Constantly false information to scare people. Never offer a ray of hope

average_runner

end of the road wrote: »

yes if good government is what you wanted rather then more of the same.



yes, we are brainwashed by facts and information from experts who are experts.
we should have listened to facebook and some random on a website instead.



the media have been perfectly fine, reporting the information
and facts.
what you are looking for by the sounds of it is a propaganda machine to pander to your viewpoints, for that i'm afraid you will either have to set up one of your own, or just read facebook or some other random site.

What about the false information in the examiner a day after the app.was released?

end of the road

average_runner wrote: »

What about the false information in the examiner a day after the app.was released?

if that paper printed actual false information, rather then information that was genuinely believed to be the case but later turned out to be incorrect, then that is a serious issue that must be dealt with.

TaurenDruid

average_runner wrote: »

What about the false information in the examiner a day after the app.was released?

What false information?

Airyfairy12

gral6 wrote: »

Do you think that the EU will be giving you food voucher for 350 p/w indefinitely? Come out of your shell, it is time to pay back the Bill now !

Im not on the 350, I worked throughout the pandemic.

Airyfairy12

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

he country was locked down and schools shut when we had unquantitfied and uncontrolled spread of a new virus which we had little knowledge of and were not prepared for. Now we have a small number of active cases, we have a lot of knowledge on the virus and how to treat it, large stockpiles of PPE and surge plans in hospitals, a contact tracing system and app, huge public awareness of the need for social distancing and handwashing etc, significant WFH, capacity limitations in public interact businesses and ban on large gatherings. Even the international travel you refer to is only a fraction of what it was in March. Drawing comparisons between now and when lockdown started is nonsense, the situation is completely different to what it was in March.

At the start worldwide numbers were relatively small, theyre now in their millions, numbers will rise much faster than they did back in March.
An app wont stop the virus.

Stick up for your beloved FF and FG all you want, stick your head in the sand like FF and FG voters have always done. The current government are blatantly ignoring the advise of experts, another lockdown is on the horizon or are they going the herd immunity route?

average_runner

TaurenDruid wrote: »

What false information?

The location saga

TaurenDruid

average_runner wrote: »

The location saga

I'm none the wiser. Quick summary?

average_runner

TaurenDruid wrote: »

I'm none the wiser. Quick summary?

Quick Summary:


Start at page 65 in the App thread, you will see an article from the examiner and go from there.


Summary in 1.5 lines!!

vid36

Hearing the Taoiseach earlier, I think there is no chance of the rest of the pubs reopening next week.

Penfailed

vid36 wrote: »

Hearing the Taoiseach earlier, I think there is no chance of the rest of the pubs reopening next week.

Why, what did he say?