Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

FintanMcluskey

facehugger99 wrote: »

The sad fact is that the political class of today would rather flush billions of euros and thousands of jobs down the toilet than risk being branded a granny-killer on social media.

The most expensive PC exercise ever undertaken

FishOnABike

TaurenDruid wrote: »

Do you not think this is the perfect opportunity for the school to go "Look, lads, work away on the confirmation yourselves if yiz want, but we're a school, and the kids have lost out on enough education without us also doing the indoctrination for ye. Organise something yourselves on your own time."

Grand unless the church owns the building + grounds the school is in, the patron is the local bishop, the local parish priest is a member on the board of management and the board is appointed by the patron. Hardly likely to be a hotbed of dissent.

CruelSummer

What I cannot understand is how would any Principal even have had ‘foreign travel’ on his agenda today.
Here are a few issues that should have been top of his list:
1. Increased funding for education sector as a matter of urgency to support smaller class sizes particularly in developing schools and those with class numbers over 30.
2. Sanitary procedures for schools.
3. Immunocompromised teachers and what protections they might be afforded.
4. PPE equipment.
5. Projections of how children will mix and in groups/classes of how many.
6. Staff room procedures.
7. Covid 19 cases in schools - procedures to follow
8. Test and trace - are teachers needed to help re classroom and school environment.
9. Are extra prefabs needed to support smaller class numbers in certain schools - they would need to be built as a matter of urgency.
10. Is there a programme being developed to help children process what happened re the lockdown, being told you could kill Granny or Grandad if you hugged them, ‘no children allowed’ signs at shops and all the other emotional trauma that was lumped on them unfairly during this crisis.

There are so so many issues, and he chose to ramble on about planes and holidays...

caveat emptor

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

I've said it before, Leo was not the biggest issue during the crisis, he didnt lead, but he did stray from the official line so to speak.

The pics of him enjoying the few beers in the park actually showed that he is a human and its ok to live.

MM has robotic tendencies, and has displayed no leadership this far, but the budget will call for leadership I imagine.

Money is cheap......

We constantly remortgage year after year. With rates being what they are it's likely going to cost less than the year before. Issue a hundred year bond like Austria. It'll be inflated away in no time.



https://data.oireachtas.ie/ie/oireachtas/parliamentaryBudgetOffice/2020/2020-04-21_national-debt-an-overview_en.pdf

Merry_Hell

CruelSummer wrote: »

What I cannot understand is how would any Principal even had ‘foreign travel’ on his agenda today.
Here are a few issues that should have been top of his list:
1. Increased funding for education sector as a matter of urgency to support smaller class sizes particularly in developing schools and those with class numbers over 30.
2. Sanitary procedures for schools.
3. Immunocompromised teachers and what protections they might be afforded.
4. PPE equipment.
5. Projections of how children will mix and in groups/classes of how many.
6. Staff room procedures.
7. Covid 19 cases in schools - procedures to follow
8. Test and trace - are teachers needed to help re classroom and school environment.
9. Are extra prefabs needed to support smaller class numbers in certain schools - they would need to be built as a matter of urgency.
10. Is there a programme being developed to help children process what happened re the lockdown, being told you could kill Granny or Grandad if you hugged them, ‘no children allowed’ signs at shops and all the other emotional trauma that was lumped on them unfairly during this crisis.

There are so so many issues, and he chose to ramble on about planes and holidays...

To be fair, when you read the article it does appear that it was a passing comment and a tiny fraction of what he spoke about. Can't figure out why the reporters would pounce on it and make it the headline of their subsequent articles.

LilyShame

This is such utter nonsense. I doubt principles give a toss where anyone goes on holidays. RTE running agendas again. Absolute nonsense!! I'm sure some principles will be on that plane to the Sun!!

GOVT have handled this really poorly and if anything it will encourage those who fully paid for a holiday, pre covid, to simply fly regardless.

facehugger99 wrote: »

What a load of bollox - the sad thing is this unrelenting campaign of hysteria by our national broadcaster' barely raises an eyebrow with me these days.

It's hard to adequately describe the amount of fcuks I don't give to what my kid's school principal thinks of my holiday plans, but let's just say it's a very large number.

Unfortunately there's probably a load of people who this extended guilt-trip is working on

Spanish Eyes

I don't know what the problem is or why all the angst TBH. People can travel where the flights are going, the so called quarantine on return is not monitored.

The Green Lane thing is just a guide. So if you want to go, go. Nothing to stop you really.

Insurance is the only issue I can see, or irresponsibility, or selfishness, or finger pointing whatever. You decide. If you are willing to go, just fekkin go now and shut the F up already. I'm sick listening to people moaning.

CruelSummer

Merry_Hell wrote: »

To be fair, when you read the article it does appear that it was a passing comment and a tiny fraction of what he spoke about. Can't figure out why the reporters would pounce on it and make it the headline of their subsequent articles.

Yes it does appear to be driven by RTÉ using it as their main headline & extract on the news. News report I watched didn't mention the other major issues but glad to hear they were at least discussed.

v638sg7k1a92bx

Can we all snap out of this social distancing, post lockdown mentality and just go back to normal.

3 months ago fair enough but we know the virus is not that bad. Will we now lock down every year for flu season?

Annasopra

I think you've missed the point completely. Its not as bad as it could have been because the country social distanced and locked down. Its not a minir flu.

Beasty

Threads merged

v638sg7k1a92bx

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

I think you've missed the point completely. Its not as bad as it could have been because the country social distanced and locked down. Its not a minir flu.

The virus has moved on.

3 months ago when people should have been wearing masks and everyone suddenly needed their 2km.

It’s ridiculous at this stage we need to open up.

Quantum Erasure

It hasn't gone away you know

MickeyLeari

Interesting in the Irish times from Miriam Lord on the madness of the new Docklands Dail -

What’s so special about us? Look at the way they have been successfully operating in shops and supermarkets,” fumed one TD privately.

“If the level of restrictions imposed on us in Leinster House is so critically important, why then are people not dropping like flies in Supervalu and Lidl? Society is starting to function again and the Oireachtas needs to get with the programme.”

hmmm

Braylen Short Tumbleweed wrote: »

3 months ago fair enough but we know the virus is not that bad. Will we now lock down every year for flu season?

Of course this is not flu.

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/health-family/warning-of-serious-brain-disorders-in-people-with-mild-coronavirus-symptoms-1.4299112

YellowBucket

Not that I'm much a fan of the place, and I would prefer to support independent coffee shops, but I was just wondering what's going on with Costa Ireland?

They're the only convenient coffee place near where I work usually and they're not open. The store looks completely abandoned with a big sign up just saying it's closed and there's no cash on premises. Their social media feeds look to have stopped posting several weeks ago too, but the UK stores are definitely all up and running.

It just seems odd given a lot of their suburban / business park stores are pretty big spaces and could definitely handle socially distanced tables without much fuss. I think the one near where I work was even 2m+ between tables long before any of this ever happened.

Seems to be a lot of UK retailers going bang here.

MickeyLeari

Beasty wrote: »

Threads merged

Did posts disappear or was this thread quiet for 24 hours?

Goldengirl

MickeyLeari wrote: »

Did posts disappear or was this thread quiet for 24 hours?

Don't know what thread it was merged with?

Nothing for 24 hours when I checked earlier, and for a while before that just echoes and ..tumbleweed..

Penfailed

Braylen Short Tumbleweed wrote: »

It’s ridiculous at this stage we need to open up.

Almost everything has opened up.

Penfailed

MickeyLeari wrote: »

Did posts disappear or was this thread quiet for 24 hours?

It was just quiet for a day or so. Restrictions have been eased so much that there's little to complain about I suppose. Although someone started a thread claiming that social distancing should also stop and his thread was merged with this one. The most vociferous anti lockdown posters in this thread haven't even gone that far...yet!

Hector Savage

Braylen Short Tumbleweed wrote: »

The virus has moved on.

3 months ago when people should have been wearing masks and everyone suddenly needed their 2km.

It’s ridiculous at this stage we need to open up.

Don't you live in Spain ? you see what's happening in Lleida ?
New epicentre, we will be back at lockdown on national level in a matter of weeks..

Penfailed

Hector Savage wrote: »

New epicentre, we will be back at lockdown on national level in a matter of weeks..

I don't think that's going to happen.

I wouldn’t mind locking down again at all. No traffic, no crowds. I thought it was very pleasant indeed

Hector Savage

Penfailed wrote: »

I don't think that's going to happen.

Really hope you're right..

Widdensushi

Deleted User wrote: »

I wouldn’t mind locking down again at all. No traffic, no crowds. I thought it was very pleasant indeed

Sustainable? I presume that you are self sufficient, grow your own vegetables, animals, make your own clothes etc. Eventually as the country goes bankrupt you might need to arm yourself from those less prepared than yourself.

facehugger99

Penfailed wrote: »

Almost everything has opened up.

400,000 people still getting the emergency payment.

is_that_so

facehugger99 wrote: »

400,000 people still getting the emergency payment.

May well fall to 300K and below over the next week or two, plus 110K are now down at the standard welfare payment of €203.

Sheep Shagger

What do people make of this that seems to be doing the rounds on social media?

Am not necessarily saying I agree either...

Shared:
Let's say you woke up with a terrible cough, a fever, and severe body aches. Immediately, you rush to the doctor and unfortunately, you’re diagnosed with COVID-19. For the last two weeks, you’ve been unaware that you were infected and you’ve ignored "the rules." You've gotten together with some close friends for pizza, had a few people over, even visited a park and a beach. You figured, “I don’t feel sick. I have the right to keep living my normal life. No one can tell me what to do."
With your diagnosis, you spend the next few days at home on the couch, feeling pretty crappy; but then you’re well again because you’re young, healthy and strong. Lucky you. But your best friend caught it from you during a visit to your house, and because she didn't know she was contagious, she visited her 82-year-old grandfather, who uses oxygen tanks daily to help him breathe because he has COPD and heart failure. Now, he’s dead.
Your co-worker, who has asthma, caught it too, during your little pizza get-together. Now, he’s in the ICU, and he's spread it to a few others in his family, too--but they won't know that for another couple of weeks yet.
The cashier at the restaurant where you picked up the pizza carried the infection home to his wife, who has MS, which makes her immunosuppressed. She’s not as lucky as you, so she’s admitted to the hospital because she’s having trouble breathing. She may need to be placed in a medically-induced coma and intubated; she may not get to say goodbye to her loved ones. She may die surrounded by machines, with no family at her bedside.
All because you couldn't stand the inconvenience of a mask; of staying home; of changing your familiar routines for just a little while. Because you have the right, above all others rights, to continue living your normal life and no one, I mean no one, has the right to tell you what to do.

#SocialDistancing = It’s not about YOU!
#WearAMask = It's not about YOU!
#StayHome = It's not about YOU!
#GetTested = It's not about YOU!
#MaskItOrCasket = It's not about YOU!
#MaskYourMaw = It's not about YOU!

Copied from a friend and shared. Please do the same.
Stay Safe People!

No need for debate in comments. If you don't agree, simply don't copy & paste.

is_that_so

Sheep Shagger wrote: »

What do people make of this that seems to be doing the rounds on social media?

Am not necessarily saying I agree either...

Shared:
Let's say you woke up with a terrible cough, a fever, and severe body aches. Immediately, you rush to the doctor and unfortunately, you’re diagnosed with COVID-19. For the last two weeks, you’ve been unaware that you were infected and you’ve ignored "the rules." You've gotten together with some close friends for pizza, had a few people over, even visited a park and a beach. You figured, “I don’t feel sick. I have the right to keep living my normal life. No one can tell me what to do."
With your diagnosis, you spend the next few days at home on the couch, feeling pretty crappy; but then you’re well again because you’re young, healthy and strong. Lucky you. But your best friend caught it from you during a visit to your house, and because she didn't know she was contagious, she visited her 82-year-old grandfather, who uses oxygen tanks daily to help him breathe because he has COPD and heart failure. Now, he’s dead.
Your co-worker, who has asthma, caught it too, during your little pizza get-together. Now, he’s in the ICU, and he's spread it to a few others in his family, too--but they won't know that for another couple of weeks yet.
The cashier at the restaurant where you picked up the pizza carried the infection home to his wife, who has MS, which makes her immunosuppressed. She’s not as lucky as you, so she’s admitted to the hospital because she’s having trouble breathing. She may need to be placed in a medically-induced coma and intubated; she may not get to say goodbye to her loved ones. She may die surrounded by machines, with no family at her bedside.
All because you couldn't stand the inconvenience of a mask; of staying home; of changing your familiar routines for just a little while. Because you have the right, above all others rights, to continue living your normal life and no one, I mean no one, has the right to tell you what to do.

#SocialDistancing = It’s not about YOU!
#WearAMask = It's not about YOU!
#StayHome = It's not about YOU!
#GetTested = It's not about YOU!
#MaskItOrCasket = It's not about YOU!
#MaskYourMaw = It's not about YOU!

Copied from a friend and shared. Please do the same.
Stay Safe People!

No need for debate in comments. If you don't agree, simply don't copy & paste.

The old chain letter, some things just never die! I'm guessing that's WhatsApp and it's something I'd delete on sight but a fantastic forum to find experts!

stephenjmcd

YellowBucket wrote: »

Not that I'm much a fan of the place, and I would prefer to support independent coffee shops, but I was just wondering what's going on with Costa Ireland?

They're the only convenient coffee place near where I work usually and they're not open. The store looks completely abandoned with a big sign up just saying it's closed and there's no cash on premises. Their social media feeds look to have stopped posting several weeks ago too, but the UK stores are definitely all up and running.

It just seems odd given a lot of their suburban / business park stores are pretty big spaces and could definitely handle socially distanced tables without much fuss. I think the one near where I work was even 2m+ between tables long before any of this ever happened.

Seems to be a lot of UK retailers going bang here.

Was wondering this as well, only coffee shop in a local retail park and was surprised not to see it open last weekend.

Perhaps they need more time to get things in order to reopen ?