Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

CruelSummer

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The are significant cost to relocation. A couple of months travel disruption is never going to be a major factor. Couple this with South Africa bring a COVID basket case unlikely to make any green list anywhere, it would be a major risk to move now if ability to travel was a factor in the decision.

It won’t be a relocation, they already have multiple locations throughout the world and are going to downsize Ireland. Do you know the company in question? Interesting that you mention South Africa, that’s why I’m asking.

is_that_so

MickeyLeari wrote: »

While others are thrilled with the new decisive Government.

Well they have only decided to extend what's already there but that's decisive I guess. Literally a wet week in the the door, though.

stephenjmcd

Sooner or later both Aerlingus and Ryanair will come looking for state aid seeing as its the state that is essentially putting them under pressure with travel restrictions

Arghus

His articles are usually quite fair and thoughtful, but, Jesus, Paul Cullen is painful to listen to.

CruelSummer

CruelSummer wrote: »

It won’t be a relocation, they already have multiple locations throughout the world and are going to downsize Ireland. Do you know the company in question? Interesting that you mention South Africa, that’s why I’m asking.

You mentioned SA in your op.

MickeyLeari

Listening to MM, it seems the only green countries will be those with the same or less incidence of cases.

caveat emptor

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Unlike Lufthansa Ryanair didnt get any 10bn bailout though?

I appreciate some or most of Ryanair's staff might very well be getting 350 per week but in terms of huge state subsidies, in Ireland anyways its not really huge in comparison to Germany/France where they gave out 10bn to Lufthansa, 10bn to Airfrance AND all their staff got subsidies wages by the govt.

PS I do not propose we do this. Our deficit will skyrocket to 40-50bn then for the year

Yeah but they have taken money from UK?

Ireland-based Ryanair has received £600m (about $730 million) from the United Kingdom’s Covid Corporate Financing Facility (CCFF). This move comes as the low-cost carrier’s CEO has been critical of state aid to airlines.

https://simpleflying.com/ryanair-730-million-loan/

gral6

MickeyLeari wrote: »

Listening to MM, it seems the only green countries will be those with the same or less incidence of cases.

Great ! We'll be flying to New Zealand and North Corea ! What a wise government!

CruelSummer

[Deleted User] wrote: »

You mentioned SA in your op.

Ah yes I see I did.

ronivek

CruelSummer wrote: »

Ah yes I see I did.

Still haven't managed to name the IT company though?

caveat emptor

caveat emptor wrote: »

Yeah but they have taken money from UK?



https://simpleflying.com/ryanair-730-million-loan/

For someone that is banging on about illegal state aid, they’ve taken on quite a lot of cheap money. Their balance sheet vs burn down is quite strong. 4.7 billion vs 65 million.

Find it hard to countenance them not giving refunds to people when they are in such a strong position. It seems they don’t want to errode that ratio for fear of impacting the share price.

They should help the government in Europe with contact tracing data to make it safer to stop spreading events instead of trying to get people to go against gov advice.

CruelSummer

caveat emptor wrote: »

For someone that is banging on about illegal state aid, they’ve taken on quite a lot of cheap money. Their balance sheet vs burn down is quite strong. 4.7 billion vs 65 million.

Find it hard to countenance them not giving refunds to people when they are in such a strong position. It seems they don’t want to errode that ratio for fear of impacting the share price.

They should help the government in Europe with contact tracing data to make it safer to stop spreading events instead of trying to get people to go against gov advice.

True it’s a good idea to get the airlines to help with contact tracing. I heard Michael O’Leary on the radio a few weeks back making that suggestion saying they could have the information to the relevant authorities within an hour.

stephenjmcd

Staff in Shannon facing paycuts, layoffs and voluntary severance scheme

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0707/1151820-shannon-airport/

tobefrank321

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Staff in Shannon facing paycuts, layoffs and voluntary severance scheme

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0707/1151820-shannon-airport/

Unfortunate but if we go into another generalised lockdown due to a spike related to imported cases, these lay offs will seem like small fry. We have to protect as much of the general economy as possible.

Charles Babbage

CruelSummer wrote: »

I would say to families who've paid thousands on their holidays to look at the information to hand and go if the destination is safe re Covid cases. The Government don't care if your money is gone as they're allowing Ryanair to still fly. They've effectively made no decisions, sounded absolutely useless, and clearly are not fit for the offices they occupy.

Over on the Spain thread today, at least of 2 thirds of the Cork - Alicante flight today were people over 60... the very cohort we're supposed to stay home and protect. Couple this with allowing US and U.K. citizens in here no bother, with just form filling and friendly phone call they they might choose not to answer. WHAT A JOKE.

Those people over 60 will likely spend their time in Spain in their own properties, they will not be down in the pub mingling with all sorts. Because they are probably fairly careful themselves they are not the biggest threat in terms of bringing it back, unlike the class of loudmouth yob that plans to get scuttered every night and exchange body fluids with randomers.

As for people spending money, they have spent the money whether they go or not, so they have the same "loss" either way.

FintanMcluskey

Charles Babbage wrote: »

Those people over 60 will likely spend their time in Spain in their own properties, they will not be down in the pub mingling with all sorts. Because they are probably fairly careful themselves they are not the biggest threat in terms of bringing it back, unlike the class of loudmouth yob that plans to get scuttered every night and exchange body fluids with randomers.

As for people spending money, they have spent the money whether they go or not, so they have the same "loss" either way.

It appears Covid has given power to a new movement in Ireland, a kind of anti socialising movement.

One where seeking company and entertainment is completely unjustified unless you are above 60.

Young person, at negligible risk from Covid wants to travel= Drunken scumbag, wont protect the elderly

Old dear, high risk from Covid = get on the plane, your well entitled.

Stay home save lives my bol#ix. Utter hyprocracy

charlie14

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Staff in Shannon facing paycuts, layoffs and voluntary severance scheme

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0707/1151820-shannon-airport/

Even before Covid-19, when was it any different in Shannon.
That news headline could be from any year going as far back as I can remember.

CruelSummer

Charles Babbage wrote: »

Those people over 60 will likely spend their time in Spain in their own properties, they will not be down in the pub mingling with all sorts. Because they are probably fairly careful themselves they are not the biggest threat in terms of bringing it back, unlike the class of loudmouth yob that plans to get scuttered every night and exchange body fluids with randomers.

As for people spending money, they have spent the money whether they go or not, so they have the same "loss" either way.

So...it's ok for over 60's to travel, the very group of people we're supposed to be protecting, because they're rich enough to own properties on the Med...
Meanwhile middle class families who may have rented out or indeed own a similar property cannot travel as they're all under 60 and therefore 'drunken yobs'?

And absolutely NO, it is not the same 'loss'.
Option One - you get to to the Mediterranean on your holidays to the sun.
Option Two - you get to look at all of Europe going to the Med on their holidays while you can't even pay the rip off Staycation prices as your money is in a non-existent holiday and your plane left without you on it.

CruelSummer

charlie14 wrote: »

Even before Covid-19, when was it any different in Shannon.
That news headline could be from any year going as far back as I can remember.

Ah here, it just might have something to do with the fact that Airports were expecting a more organised and coherent response from Government to travel this summer. They saw airlines were allowed to resume travel from the beginning of July and borders reopen. Staff were probably kept on for this reason. However the anti-travel - we're a Green Utopia brigade went into full swing to try and convince hard pressed families to flush their already paid for holidays down the toilet, which would then curb new bookings. Cue many more layoffs over the summer, some of which could have been avoided if the Government had a clue.

CruelSummer

https://www.rte.ie/news/education/2020/0707/1151855-schools-holidays-abroad/

The propaganda campaign continues...exactly why would it matter to school principals if the families were back well before schools reopened and had completed the 2 week quarantine?
What about many pupils and families that need to travel to see family now over the summer before schools restarts? Many of whom would have been worried about their relatives during the pandemic.
Why can schools reopen across the EU and their families can travel to other EU locations & ours cannot? We are some bunch of sheep here accepting this ‘Don’t you dare go abroad and have a good time’ finger wagging...

road_high

CruelSummer wrote: »

Ah here, it just might have something to do with the fact that Airports were expecting a more organised and coherent response from Government to travel this summer. They saw airlines were allowed to resume travel from the beginning of July and borders reopen. Staff were probably kept on for this reason. However the anti-travel - we're a Green Utopia brigade went into full swing to try and convince hard pressed families to flush their already paid for holidays down the toilet, which would then curb new bookings. Cue many more layoffs over the summer, some of which could have been avoided if the Government had a clue.

Hear hear. Week or two in I’m deeply unimpressed with the new Taoiseach- for reasons unknown I expected him to grasp the Covid nonsense by the horns and lead - instead i hear nothing but a bit of hollow threatening and hiding behind what the last govt had done and deciding to go no further/ride it out and hope things don’t get worse.
The travel and aviation sectors are key sectors of our economy. They can’t be just swept under the carpet fir months on end. Our domestic market is very small and is no way big enough to sustain the tourism sector whatsoever

road_high

CruelSummer wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/education/2020/0707/1151855-schools-holidays-abroad/

The propaganda campaign continues...exactly why would it matter to school principals if the families were back well before schools reopened and had completed the 2 week quarantine?
What about many pupils and families that need to travel to see family now over the summer before schools restarts? Many of whom would have been worried about their relatives during the pandemic.
Why can schools reopen across the EU and their families can travel to other EU locations & ours cannot? We are some bunch of sheep here accepting this ‘Don’t you dare go abroad and have a good time’ finger wagging...

Foreign travel is the new 5/20 km moral shaming rubbish that we endured for months

FintanMcluskey

road_high wrote: »

Hear hear. Week or two in I’m deeply unimpressed with the new Taoiseach- for reasons unknown I expected him to grasp the Covid nonsense by the horns and lead - instead i hear nothing but a bit of hollow threatening and hiding behind what the last govt had done and deciding to go no further/ride it out and hope things don’t get worse.
The travel and aviation sectors are key sectors of our economy. They can’t be just swept under the carpet fir months on end. Our domestic market is very small and is no way big enough to sustain the tourism sector whatsoever

I've said it before, Leo was not the biggest issue during the crisis, he didnt lead, but he did stray from the official line so to speak.

The pics of him enjoying the few beers in the park actually showed that he is a human and its ok to live.

MM has robotic tendencies, and has displayed no leadership this far, but the budget will call for leadership I imagine.

SusieBlue

Just saw a petition being shared on FB calling for the under 60’s to all cocoon for the second wave of coronavirus, to allow the elderly a chance to have some bit of normality because they had to cocoon last time, and the younger people have to take their turn at ur now.
The risk for the elderly will be way lower if all the young people are cocooning, so they’ll be able to go out for dinner etc without too much risk.

Logic seems to be gone out the window.

fm

road_high wrote: »

Foreign travel is the new 5/20 km moral shaming rubbish that we endured for months

Blackmail now, schools can't open if people go on holiday

Emmersonn

fm wrote: »

Blackmail now, schools can't open if people go on holiday

No difference whatever between Irish people going on holidays and returning home and foreign tourists holidaying in Ireland.

facehugger99

CruelSummer wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/education/2020/0707/1151855-schools-holidays-abroad/

The propaganda campaign continues...exactly why would it matter to school principals if the families were back well before schools reopened and had completed the 2 week quarantine?
What about many pupils and families that need to travel to see family now over the summer before schools restarts? Many of whom would have been worried about their relatives during the pandemic.
Why can schools reopen across the EU and their families can travel to other EU locations & ours cannot? We are some bunch of sheep here accepting this ‘Don’t you dare go abroad and have a good time’ finger wagging...

What a load of bollox - the sad thing is this unrelenting campaign of hysteria by our national broadcaster' barely raises an eyebrow with me these days.

It's hard to adequately describe the amount of fcuks I don't give to what my kid's school principal thinks of my holiday plans, but let's just say it's a very large number.

Unfortunately there's probably a load of people who this extended guilt-trip is working on

fm

Emmersonn wrote: »

No difference whatever between Irish people going on holidays and returning home and foreign tourists holidaying in Ireland.

I agree

Penfailed

CruelSummer wrote: »

We are some bunch of sheep here accepting this ‘Don’t you dare go abroad and have a good time’ finger wagging...

The fact that there isn't more of an outcry about this demonstrates that the vast majority of the public continue to support the restrictions.

facehugger99

road_high wrote: »

Hear hear. Week or two in I’m deeply unimpressed with the new Taoiseach- for reasons unknown I expected him to grasp the Covid nonsense by the horns and lead - instead i hear nothing but a bit of hollow threatening and hiding behind what the last govt had done and deciding to go no further/ride it out and hope things don’t get worse.
The travel and aviation sectors are key sectors of our economy. They can’t be just swept under the carpet fir months on end. Our domestic market is very small and is no way big enough to sustain the tourism sector whatsoever

The sad fact is that the political class of today would rather flush billions of euros and thousands of jobs down the toilet than risk being branded a granny-killer on social media.